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SPL Transient Designer Dynamics Plugins
Old 11th May 2003
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Holy shizmolio I bought one of these after being baited by the Gear of the Month forum. Wowie! It's so farking awesome! TD+Distressor=PERCUSSION BOWING DOWN FOR IT HAS MET IT'S NEW GODS.

GREAT piece of gear.


One thing though. It kind of fuggers up the signal in a Mackieish sort of way. Oh well. It's drums anyways, so they're atonal already. The usefullness and power is way too attractive so I just ignore the sound fuggeration. And the headroom isn't that great. It craps out young.

TD+EQ+DISTRESSOR equals max control actually. Wowie zowie.
Old 11th May 2003
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Originally posted by faeflora

One thing though. It kind of fuggers up the signal in a Mackieish sort of way. Oh well. It's drums anyways, so they're atonal already. The usefullness and power is way too attractive so I just ignore the sound fuggeration. And the headroom isn't that great. It craps out young.
The secret to the TD is the same as the Distressor, you need the right front end or back end.

I've been investigating different front ends and back ends to see what matches better(especially on drums).

I haven't found a filter that i've felt that nuts about yet with it, but i am still looking.
Old 11th May 2003
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I would use it in tracking only if I were looking for an effect and creating a sound. Otherwise I would save it for mix. I find I change its settings a lot as a track progresses. It really helps to fine-tune things into just the right place. It also doesn't like to undo itself.
Old 12th May 2003
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It's definitely made my small concrete block, wood floored studio sound like a much bigger space...

Firstly I usually have to EQ out some nasty mid 'trash' on my overheads.. So I was doing this before I got the TD involved.. Flattening the eq and adding the TD & tweaking up the "sustain" knob and creeping back the attack knob gave me a smooth transient 'crush' but minus the nasty sucking effect of compression on cymbals...

OK I lost some cymbal hit impact

But I sure gained pleasant roomy "thwack" on the snare



The effect on the toms is harder to describe, I think I added some attack AND sustain..

These actions gave the drum track an un removable ambient room 'signature' it's a good thing that everyone likes it so much...

I will see if Bev can help me host a snippet to play you.

My drum / live area is postage stamp sized, but I am used to 2 decades of ambient drum micing practice in large studios.. The Transient Designer sure cheers things up!
Old 12th May 2003
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This box is definitely a 'must-have'. Dave Reitzas turned me onto it a few years back and I've been hooked ever since. I've never tracked with it though, usually apply it during mixdown. It's a great way to add some freak to ho-hum loops.
Old 12th May 2003
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One thing though. It kind of fuggers up the signal in a Mackieish sort of way. Oh well. It's drums anyways, so they're atonal
already. The usefullness and power is way too attractive so I just ignore the sound fuggeration. And the headroom isn't that
great. It craps out young.
Ditto. If you put a snare into it with a +12 transient, and try to add another 10dB to that transient, you get crap distortion. Sometimes I pad the input signal a little. Too bad there isn't any serious iron inside to make it distort in a "nicer" way.
Old 12th May 2003
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I wish the TD wouldn't colour the sound as much as it does, but every piece from SPL colours the sound the same way IMVHO.
Wouldn't cranesong make a copy? or better our guest mod could do his thing ...

Jo
Old 12th May 2003
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Ditto. If you put a snare into it with a +12 transient, and try to add another 10dB to that transient, you get crap distortion. Sometimes I pad the input signal a little. Too bad there isn't any serious iron inside to make it distort in a "nicer" way.
I noticed also that on big fat full kicks that already have compression it craps out even lower. It seems to not like transient bass too much. Hey maybe the smart EE people here can figger out a way to mod it.
Old 12th May 2003
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Originally posted by faeflora
I noticed also that on big fat full kicks that already have compression it craps out even lower. It seems to not like transient bass too much. Hey maybe the smart EE people here can figger out a way to mod it.
If you have "a big fat full kick" what you want to put the transient designer on it for?

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Roland
Old 13th May 2003
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If you have "a big fat full kick" what you want to put the transient designer on it for?

regards


Roland
When it's so bloated it needs more thwack. Or less gass. Ok you know how when you flatulate, there's usually an attacking "pop" followed by the "pfflbbbbb" sustain with the "squwirsh" release? That's what I'm referring to.
Old 13th May 2003
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Originally posted by faeflora
When it's so bloated it needs more thwack. Or less gass. Ok you know how when you flatulate, there's usually an attacking "pop" followed by the "pfflbbbbb" sustain with the "squwirsh" release? That's what I'm referring to.
Ok,so if its bloated you can fix that with a judicious amount of eq with a compressor followed by the transient designer if its still needed. The transient designer is a great device, however all to often people are looking as a cure all which it isn't. If its overloading apply some eq and drop your gain into it.

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Roland
Old 13th May 2003
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Don't you just love gear that you have to be careful not to OVERuse?
Old 13th May 2003
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quote:

Originally posted by faeflora
When it's so bloated it needs more thwack. Or less gass. Ok you know how when you flatulate, there's usually an
attacking "pop" followed by the "pfflbbbbb" sustain with the "squwirsh" release? That's what I'm referring to.


That's why I love my Aeron chair. The mesh seat has a real hi-fi transparency that lets the full fidelity of the flatulance shine through in a dense mix.
Old 15th May 2003
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AND it sieves any chunky bits and prevents a mess on the floor!


heh
Old 16th May 2003
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Doesn't digitalfishphones make a free plug-in that does a similar thing? (Dominator I think) Not in the league of the TD but still pretty good and no cost.
Old 7th August 2003
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Transient Designer-tracking, mixing or both?

How do you use your transient designer? I just got one and I figured I look for starting points!

Thanks,
Scott
Old 7th August 2003
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I see it being much more useful in the mixing stage. That's the kind of unit you must use self control with. That being said, apparently, the snare sound on No Doubt's "hella good" was tracked through a TD.
Old 7th August 2003
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Carefully!

Old 7th August 2003
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What Jules said!

I haven't yet used it for tracking, but use it for mixing often. It's a very useful tool but easy to get carried away with.
Old 7th August 2003
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I like to use mine strickly for tracking as a final stage for my sampler before I print to disk/tape. That to me is where it is most effective. To use it again after during mixdown is too much overkill IMHO. In cases where I've attempted to use it at both stages, it starts to take away from the overall character/presence of the original source sample.
Old 7th August 2003
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Some of our clients use it for 'live' TV..mostly award shows...to tighten up the drums on stage
Old 7th August 2003
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Be EEEEEEXTRA carefull if you use for tracking!!!!!

But try it it might work ! I tracked some basses with it and it sounded good.

Old 7th August 2003
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I've only used mine for mixing. Tightens the kick like nothing else can. also great for adding or subtracting snap on loops and percussion - depending on how you want them to sit in the mix. Not the kind of flavor I'd want to commit to durring tracking.

Also beware of distortion. If you feed it a transient at +whatever and try to get another 12dB of attack, it will distort - and not in a pleasing way. It can goose levels beyond it's own capabilities. Sometimes I have to pad the level going in to get the transient I want, then bump it up at the fader. YMMV
Old 7th August 2003
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Just listen to how the knobs affect the sound. Use it mostly unsoloed also. Soloed TD'd sounds usually don't work that well once you turn everything back on.

And as the other people said, watch your headroom!
Old 7th August 2003
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Interesting development here, BTW: http://www.waves.com/

Trans X.

Hmmmmmm.
Old 7th August 2003
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Interesting...

can someone please remind me what the Logic plug in that kinda does this job is called again, (a friend is chewing my arm off to know!)

Thanks!

Old 8th August 2003
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Jules- Enveloper

Try it out! There's also some freeware VST plug that does the same thing.

IMO both really are crappy compared to the TD. How? Both affect the tone a whole lot, and not really the dynamic. They thin out the sound and they don't work at all on bassy sounds. Very ugly.
Old 8th August 2003
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Thanks VERY MUCH! I will tell my chum and put him out of his misery!

Old 8th August 2003
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The freeware one is called Dominion and it's from http://www.digitalfishphones.com/. Be sure and check out Blockfish too... cool compressor.

I've been using Dominion in Logic on samples as I print to audio to head to PT to mix.
Old 14th December 2003
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SPL Transient Designer...

Who is using it and how/what for are you using it?
Do you shape some attack in you snare (mult)? Shorten tom sustain, any non-drum things to shape?

Greetings,
Dirk
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