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SPL Transient Designer Dynamics Plugins
Old 13th August 2006
  #302
A few weeks ago - the studios junior engineer - set up a kit - gots signal thru then imeadiatly reached for the Transient Designer.. I stood over his shoulder and told him to - get the whole kit going - then only use the TD if something is MISSING in the indevidual sounds... tutt

HANDS OFF!



I think the name of the device is exciting, and to hear and read about pros raving about it - probably sends out a misleading message.. To me it is a tool for troubled drum signals - normaly a great kit, expertly tuned - isn't a troubled signal and doesnt NEED Transient Designer. IMHO

To cause further confusion TD can be used to help create larger ambient room mic sounds in smaller rrooms..
Old 14th August 2006
  #303
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SPL gear has a certain "glassyness" to it and the SPL has it in spades.
If used properly TD will add just exact dose of effect, but even slight overdose could be inappropriate - it's true.
Some SPL gears are better than another and yes SPL is more in 'modern' department than 'vintage', so that's reason why they are popular in particular among some engineeres regardless of price or 'boutiqueness'.
As always it's matter of taste (I don't like Avalon and some swear by it)
Old 14th August 2006
  #304
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Its a must.
especially for the price.
I've compared it to oxford & waves plugs.
it wins hands down
the waves is much better then they sony.

mac
Old 14th August 2006
  #305
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I recently was at a a conference for NARAS and Brendan O'Brien was a guest, as well as Jimmy Douglas. During Q+A someone asked them what their "Secret Weapon" was. Jimmy said he'd never tell and Brendan laughed and said, " I'll tell you, it's the SPL Transient Designer. I DON'T KNOW HOW I EVER MIXED DRUMS WITHOUT IT!!!". Well, coming straight from the horses mouth who's mixed some of the most rockin drum sounds ever (IMHO, Rage Against the Machine, Pearl Jam, etc...); needless to say, if there had been a Pro Audio store open on my home, I'd be one of many people inline to buy the Transient Designer...
Old 14th August 2006
  #306
I've been liking the TD for exciting the room mics
Old 14th August 2006
  #307
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The TD is quite cool, but if you are doing work ITB, I'd say get the Sony TM, much better than the Waves thingy imho.
Old 5th September 2006
  #308
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Transient Designer question?

Can the same type of effect be achieved with say a distressor on kik and snare. By adjusting attack and release along with ratios. I've never heard one except the demos on the site and all the praise it gets on threads. Any opinions welcomed. Thanks,
Tim
Old 5th September 2006
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No, because the Transient Designer's process isn't threshold dependant like a regular compressor.
Old 5th September 2006
  #310
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El-
So it can be constantly clamped to a signal?
Tim
Old 5th September 2006
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El-
So it can be constantly clamped to a signal?
Tim
It's not a compressor, it only affects the attack and sustain of the sound regardless of level, and no the Distressor can't do what the T.D. does but it rocks on everything!heh
Old 5th September 2006
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For you guys who hyave got them...any get the 2 channel and regret not getting 4.
TIm
Old 5th September 2006
  #313
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Yes.

I love the TD, use it often and not just for drums.
Old 5th September 2006
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Can the same type of effect be achieved with say a distressor on kik and snare. By adjusting attack and release along with ratios. I've never heard one except the demos on the site and all the praise it gets on threads. Any opinions welcomed. Thanks,
Tim
Yes, you can get the "same type" of effect with a Distressor, however the Distressor will affect dynamics as well.

Let's say you've got a snare sound that you make punchier and tighter with both devices and you get a sound that's close enough to call identical for average volume snare hits. Now when there's a really fast sustained snare fill that swells in volume you'll hear full full dynamic range, where the drummer plays softer and then swells to to loudest moment in the song in a bar or two. With the Distressor or any compressor you may get a little drop in volume at the beginning, then the fill will swell, but not ever get quite as loud as the Transient Designer version because the compressor is restricting the dynamics and the TD is not.

The particular piece of music will determine which is the better choice.

Definitely get the 4 channel version.
Old 5th September 2006
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Yes! Get the four channel version! You won't regret it. It's a great piece of machinery, it will definately work magic on anything percussive you put into it!
Old 5th September 2006
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Yes! Get the four channel version! You won't regret it. It's a great piece of machinery, it will definately work magic on anything percussive you put into it!

yea get the 4 channel. I bought it and regret not getting 2...seriously. If I had my way I'd have 12 channels.... kick,snare, toms, room mics, reverb returns, some bass tracks, reamping guitars...things got a million uses.
Old 5th September 2006
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yea get the 4 channel. I bought it and regret not getting 2...seriously. If I had my way I'd have 12 channels.... kick,snare, toms, room mics, reverb returns, some bass tracks, reamping guitars...things got a million uses.
Yeah, definitely a sign of the times when it was released...

Umm, where's my Transient Designer Bozzio Edition? 4-6 drums is sooooo not even resembling metal... or even a full compositional tool (for those of you decidedly unmetal).
Old 5th September 2006
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I use the TD on more than drums... I use it in parallel on bass, vocals, guitars... I use it on reverb and delay sends... I use it on percussion, horns and even piano!!

I have 8 channels and I'm thinking of adding 4 more!! 2 is definitely no where near enough [as always, YMMV].
Old 5th September 2006
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I use the TD on more than drums... I use it in parallel on bass, vocals, guitars... I use it on reverb and delay sends... I use it on percussion, horns and even piano!!

I have 8 channels and I'm thinking of adding 4 more!! 2 is definitely no where near enough [as always, YMMV].
Yes, I can definately see how helpful the transient designer would be with horns and piano. Also, it'd probably work well with a nice gated snare verb send. I've only gotten to use it on drums and only a couple of times, but that thing works wonders! I'm looking forward to picking up 2 4 channels when I can fit them into the budget.
Old 6th September 2006
  #320
Here is a interesting link that I ran across detailing some interesting methods/tips for the transient designer(especially the last one).

http://mixonline.com/recording/appli...ient_designer/


cheers

gw
Old 8th September 2006
  #321
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cool thread
Old 8th September 2006
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if it bothers you the two channel is unbalanced as well....
Old 8th September 2006
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Definitely get the 4 channel version.


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Yes! Get the four channel version! You won't regret it.

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2 is definitely no where near enough [as always, YMMV].


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yea get the 4 channel. I bought it and regret not getting 2...seriously.
Old 8th September 2006
  #325
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Are there any reasons to buy hw transient designer (like SPL's one) than using software one like am pulse or freeware like dominion?

BTW. I love this kind of effect, it's awesome!
Old 8th September 2006
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Uhhhh... they sound better?

A friend of mine [George Massenburg] once explained to me that the reason he didn't mess with dynamic range control in the software domain was because you'd need something with the processor power of what you might find at NORAD in order to have the thing operate properly with all the nuances you get from actual hardware dynamic range control [which is what the Transient Designer is... a dynamic range controller disguised as an envelop shaping device].

There are numerous threads on the difference between hardware units and software units... this is not a new concept by any stretch of the imagination.
Old 8th September 2006
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4- chl

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For you guys who hyave got them...any get the 2 channel and regret not getting 4.
TIm
Just bought my 2nd four chl unit. Go for the four chl one for sure......
Old 12th September 2006
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haven't used the TD yet, but the free pluggy Dominion is hilarious.. you can make drums so hard with it they'll jump from the screen and poke you in the ****ing eyes...

in a kinda GOOD way too...

at least in small doses.

kinda curious to hear the "real thing" now...
Old 12th September 2006
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Jules said it!
NO way...on the way IN.

it´s great during mix-time, often in parallel (where it can be EQ´d to taste!)
great for room mics (maybe also in parallel)

and it can be killer on everything SHAPING & SOUND DESIGN !!
examples:
you wanna get a weird smooth pad-sound that´s barely recognisable (think "Coldplay X&Y"-atmos)...stack chords, noises, fx from different synths.....bus them to an Altiverb bus...now TD4 onto the verb, attack down, sustain up -> squash comp -> EQ (DLY,Chorus, Spacial fx)

.....bounce down...use the track in parallel, or without the original....voila!
Old 12th September 2006
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I use it quite often during tracking actually, for things like making a click mic for snare or kick (sometimes perc too)!!! Any for many other effects I want printed!! But obviously its impossible to undo so as Tom rightly suggests, noway if you're not sure!
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