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The best flanger Plugin Presets/Expansions
Old 26th July 2008
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The classic Roland racked units like the 325 Flanger or Dimension D have a rich analogue vibe that is truly tops

The Dimension D almost has a 3-D element to it.

On the other hand, I also get good results from the BOSS FLANGER pedal, womeone does a mod to it it too... man serious bang for the buck, a wolf in sheep's clothing! Gives you that true '80's deep full whoosh flange!

(Some good things come in small packages)

-andrews
Old 26th July 2008
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If you are on protools Real tape flanger is freaking cool..
Old 26th July 2008
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the original Eventide Instant Flanger ??
About fifteen years ago (93) I was jazzed about getting back an Eventide InstaFlanger that I sold to a studio in 1980.
The owner gave me the unit back and it was in mint condition.

I was deeply disappointed because it was just so noisy.
As the sweep would deepen the noise would increase.
What was acceptable when at one time made it nearly useless in '93.
I sold it on early eBay for maybe $250.00.... probably less.

The cool feature it had was the ENVELOPE FOLLOWER.
That worked great for OHs when you actually desired that.
I put it on everything for a while.

It had another knob called BOUNCE that would sort of increase the "Q" of the sweep (I think that is what it did.)

It was a cool piece other than the noise.
Old 26th July 2008
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The Marshall time modulator seems to have a life of it's own. It really does what ever it feels like doing. I find it helps to say nice things to it.

And another vote for the MXR auto flangers. The sync switch is great. Their previous owner put some bantam jacks on the front, in addition to the 1/4", making it easy for patching.
Old 26th July 2008
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a little suprised no one has mentioned the TYCOBRAHE PEDALFLANGER.
Old 26th July 2008
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(...) and the Dynacord TAM 21(...)
+1
I've got one with a dodgy AC supply, some days it just won't switch on.
But when it works, you might as well be sitting in a washing machine.heh
Old 26th July 2008
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The Ibanez ad202 sounds ace, both as a flanger and delay (and some other stuff...) All analog (bucket brigade), I'm in love with that sound (got three different kinds of bb, 202 +Yamaha e1010 and Moog 104). The Ibanez kan probably b epicked up at a yardsale near you

r,
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Old 26th July 2008
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Try the Roland SBF-325 flanger. It's got a few modes and as a bonus it has a chorus setting that's of the same era as the classic Roland/Boss choruses.

The MXR Flanger/Doubler is nice too.

Other units that are harder to source for a decent price include the AMS DM 2.20 (They call it a tape phase simulator, but it really does nice flanging and other weirdness) and the Dynacord TAM 21

As far as MTM's go, let's just say this - when they are working they are the best sounding flanger/fx unit made. On the other hand, every MTM I've owned has died on me. Mr. St. Croix has 2 of my units (an early prototype and a 5002 that was going to be upgraded to a 5402) and he's had them for a number of years. He has never made the service manual available and to my knowledge isn't actively repairing any units. A tech in Calif. has done some work reverse engineering the units and has repaired a couple.

Usual issues with them include the weirdass +-20v power supply that connects via an edge connector at the rear of the unit, the power diodes tend to blow, and the dbx noise cards can fail. Early Eventide Harmonizers (910/949) used a dbx card that was very similar and I believe they can be harvested to repair an MTM.

Given all that, a working MTM can produce a flange deep enough and with very sharp resonant peaks and feedback to blow up any speaker system made.... (that's a good thing)
Shameless plug - but I'm currently auctioning a Dynacord TAM21.
Will ship internationally.
No reserve - ending in 20 hours...

Link

Thanks, and sorry for hi-jacking..


Michael


Old 26th July 2008
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In the Eventide DSP 4000, the Auto Tape Flanger (Bank 3/0) and the Manual Tape flanger (Bank 3/15) are about as close to real tape flanging as you can get, and it's stereo. And I'm not sayin' it just because I wrote the programs for Eventide... or maybe I am... but they're pretty great anyway.. if I don't say so myself. (Yeah, I know—enough already!)
Old 27th July 2008
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TC 1210 and Lexicon PCM 41
Old 27th July 2008
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Tape is the only way for me .."Itchycoo Park", "Open My Eyes", "You Don't Love Me".

YouTube - Open My Eyes - Nazz

Btw, anyone know of a good example of non-tape flanging?
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Old 27th July 2008
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Tape is the only way for me .."Itchycoo Park", "Open My Eyes", "You Don't Love Me".

Btw, anyone know of a good example of non-tape flanging?
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If it was a good sounding non-tape flange everyone would think it WAS analog!
NOTHING works like tape (I'm preaching to the choir with Vernier!)
It is the same as trying to do ADT without using an analog tape deck.
It just doesn't sound the same.

I have tried and tried for years to duplicate the sound of using two analog tape decks for flanging.
I have come close, but it is never the same.

Hell.... How many people even know how to do analog tape deck flanging these days?
Old 27th July 2008
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If it was a good sounding non-tape flange everyone would think it WAS analog!
NOTHING works like tape (I'm preaching to the choir with Vernier!)
It is the same as trying to do ADT without using an analog tape deck.
It just doesn't sound the same.

I have tried and tried for years to duplicate the sound of using two analog tape decks for flanging.
I have come close, but it is never the same.

Hell.... How many people even know how to do analog tape deck flanging these days?
Just try the DSP 4000. It really is just like tape flanging. I'm not kidding. It works on exactly the same principle, only it's much easier to control. And yes, I've done REAL tape flanging many times, so I know what it sounds like and exactly how it works.

Listen to the Pretenders cover of "Axis: Bold as Love" on the "Last of the Independents" album. I probably should have come up with something different for that, but I just loved the original so much that all I could think of was to do the same thing. That was the DSP 4000: "Manual Tape Flanger".

Cheers,
Clearmountain

Last edited by MixShmix; 27th July 2008 at 03:00 AM.. Reason: Wrong word
Old 27th July 2008
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Seems that nothing changed last 6 years in flanger depertment.
Hopefully OT poster has found his holly grail and would be cool to know his opinion here, too. heh
Old 27th July 2008
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Start flaming away......but about my favorite flanger is in the little, 1/2 rack Boss SE-50.

It sounds fantastic, is thick, liquidy and very analoguish.

Yummy......try it, you'll like it.
Old 27th July 2008
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Seems that nothing changed last 6 years in flanger depertment.
Hopefully OT poster has found his holly grail and would be cool to know his opinion here, too. heh
Well, I guess no such thing as a holy grail in flanging. In the meantime I bought a Marshall 5402 (love it) a MXR autoflanger (actually I bought two, one is up for trade for a autophaser) and a handful of stompboxes, all of them useful in their own way, AND I just bid on the Dynacord above. Maybe I am a Flange junkie

If I had to pick one (at this time) to come close to tape, I would probably go with the Marshall Time Modulator. That said, I never tried the algo mentioned by MixShmix in the DSP 4000, learn something every day. I will check that out right away, thanx for the hint MixShmix and congrats for your work on the 4000. I also really like the MXR, it's not like tape flanging, but still a great sounding box.

I found if you duplicate the to-be-flanged track and move it a few ms earlier then insert the flanger and set it to 100% effect, it does some of the zero crossing, sounds pretty cool.

Thanx for all the posts everybody, cool thread.
Old 27th July 2008
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20 years ago I would use 2 PCM 42 delays in series, one for a short delay to allow for zero crossing, the true sign of complete "flanging". Those that don't zero cross don't sell me.

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Old 27th July 2008
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VirSyn V flanger sounds very good
Old 1st August 2008
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If you're feeling a little ambitious, you can make a great sounding flanger patch with a Nord Modular and you can add all kinds of useful features like delay signal inverting for negative flanging, keyboard triggered sweep start, LFO/random sweep mix, independant sweep controls for left & right channels or sync'd channel controls, etc. This one has additional short delays on the dry signal for thru-zero flanging.
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Old 1st August 2008
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I checked out the "Auto Tape Flanger" patch in my DSP4000 and it sounds really cool, and it already made it onto a record, thanx MixShmix.thumbsupthumbsup
Old 2nd August 2008
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The one that I let get away - twice! The Mutron Pedal Flanger, Maybe seen three of them my entire life, and I had two and sold them. Still have the Tychobrahe, MXR flanger Doubler , Eventide Instant Flanger, Many DDLs that will do it to it. And of course varispeed tape flange. The best way to use varispeed tape flange is to set up a return feedback loop on the delay so you can increase the regeneration. Also, being able to invert the phase works wonders sometimes. Just sayin'. Since stock digital flange effects often sound overused, the way to get truly unique flange sounds is to use good old fashioned tape flange. Kind of reverse logic but true. Listen to the guitar in Zeppelin's 'When The Levee Breaks". The way the guitar is flanged can not be duplicated exactly, and is still as intriguing today as it was when it was created some thirty plus years ago. Just sayin'. PH
Old 3rd August 2008
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Ive been jonesing for a Marshall and David at Studio Electronics has them as we speak. They are expensive but minty and fully serviced... I just can't drop 2400 on a flanger with so many other more important short comings...

Heres a link and you can hear the original sample record they released with the unit. It really does sound incredible even in MP3!

Marshall Time Modulator and Marshall Tape Eliminator repair, service, and upgrade

And props for reviving an old thread!
Old 3rd August 2008
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Steven St. Croix was totally obsessed with development of the Marshall Time Modulator. He spent years perfecting it and I'm convinced that the MTM was the "best" flanger. One secret weapon in the MTM is use of dbx encoder at the input and decoder at the output. Besides reducing noise, the dbx companding greatly increases the comb filter nulls and boosts (way beyond what real tape flanging could do), and intensifies the other effects. (I don't think any other flangers used this trick.) Also I think Steve designed the controls in a way that lets the user get all kinds of sounds that other flangers can't produce. The front panel is hard to comprehend at first but once you get the hang of it, you find that it's quite powerful. "Must - Study - Manual" heh

#2 for me is the dbx 906 Flanger. This model just has a really nice sound and I think it was probably designed more carefully than the Eventide and MXR models - maybe it was just a more mature product and benefited from the evolution of other flangers the went to market. Like many other models it has two separate analog delay sections - a short delay for flanging effects and a longer section for delays and chorusing.

The Eventide is ok, Castle Phaser is neat, Prime Time does decent flanging. There are many models mentioned here that I have never heard and now I'm curious about them.

I used to think that "The Big Hurt" was very first song to use flanging but I read somewhere that Les Paul used the effect in the 1940's on "Mamie's Boogie". I picked up a copy of the track and yes, you can hear a very mild flange on it. Of course tape machines weren't being manufactured yet; apparently he got the effect by mixing two turntable outputs and "flanging" two acetates.
Old 3rd August 2008
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Mr. Wagener, hold on to both autoflangers. Get the phaser in addition, but don't let go of those flangers!
Old 3rd August 2008
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Mr. Wagener, hold on to both autoflangers. Get the phaser in addition, but don't let go of those flangers!
No... get rid of them!

I'll give you $50. heh
Old 4th August 2008
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I have an MXR Micro flanger from the 80's that I rehoused in a new pedal case. Best damn flanger / chorus I've ever heard. It's mono though.
Old 4th August 2008
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If you're feeling a little ambitious, you can make a great sounding flanger patch with a Nord Modular and you can add all kinds of useful features like delay signal inverting for negative flanging, keyboard triggered sweep start, LFO/random sweep mix, independant sweep controls for left & right channels or sync'd channel controls, etc. This one has additional short delays on the dry signal for thru-zero flanging.
Hello Dave,

Impressive programming!
Is this Nord Modular patch available for download?

Is it possible to make a similar patch on an analog modular synth?
Old 4th August 2008
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Marshall Time Modulator is kinda neat.
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Old 6th August 2008
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Hello Dave,

Impressive programming!
Is this Nord Modular patch available for download?

Is it possible to make a similar patch on an analog modular synth?
Thanks! Send me a PM with your email address & I'll be happy to send you the .pch file for the patch. I've made a ton of patches for the Nord Modular and G2 Modular for processing external audio sources. And if you go here you'll find massive amounts of NM & G2 patches:

For the G2:

electro-music.com :: View Forum - Clavia Nord Modular

and for the original NM:

http://nm-archives.electro-music.com/010_NordModular/


You could maybe do something similar with a real hardware modular synth if you had all of the same kinds of modules as those in the NM patch, the most important would of course be the short delay modules with CV inputs, like maybe the Doepfer BBD modules.
Old 6th August 2008
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Marshall Time Modulator is kinda neat.
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Still sound like a BBD flanger though. Quite similar to the roland SBF 325 for flanging. I like some of the more out there sound from the demo. But It doesn't sould like tape flanging, unfortunately nothing does...The closer I've heard is the Foxrox True Through-zero flanger. I hope someone will do a good sounding emulation of tape flanging. (UA please!)
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