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Beag console anyone?
Old 24th January 2010
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Beag console anyone?

Hi I have been offered a beag/eag 8 channel small console(70's ?) for
about 500$, anyone knows any thing?

I never heard the name, it looks cool and vintage, suppose to be an Hungarian telefunken branch or something,
any advice would help since I cant find anything googling..
thanks
Old 25th January 2010
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so.....

does anyone know the name ???
Old 25th January 2010
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i heard that name and all i know (quite sure about this) it's from the former republic of Czecoslovakia.

not much help, i know
Old 25th January 2010
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Czecoslovakia

it is then....

thanks anyway
Old 25th January 2010
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do you know a good tech?
chances are you may need a new power supply.
i say go for it though!
good luck, jeremy
Old 26th January 2010
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BEAG was a state-owned Hungarian/Budapest company making broadcast desks, PA amps etc., if you take a look inside, you will find it to be full of (mostly) Hungarian parts...

Nor BEAG, nor TESLA (Czechoslovakia), nor RFT (East Germany) have been owned by Telefunken or any other Western company, they were state-owned.

Hope this helps!
Old 26th January 2010
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Hi Jeremy, yeah I work with one,building x0xb0xs and all sorts....
I can fix it if it needs fixing, im just wondering if its worth the time, money and
trouble. if the eq is so musical and the preamps.
anyway I just bought a soundcraft delta 200 24 mono channels yesterday,
for my mixing/summing needs.
didnt hook it up yet...hope its a good board, its an elephant in my small home studio

Thanks
Old 26th January 2010
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Beag always tried to copy the consoles from the west. They had some very fine products, which are still on air at many places here in Hungary.
They made transformers which are on par with today's big brands.
But to be honest, they have many products which were crap indeed.
Old 26th January 2010
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30809, i've heard great things about the delta boards.
have you checked the jim williams modifications/upgrades for those?
hope it all works for you,
cheers, jeremy
Old 26th January 2010
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Hi, yes I'v heard about Jim and audio upgrades, but...... I live in Israel, just got this board and a voyager, used my studio cash for a little while. its something like a 150$ for a mono channel. but i will do it eventually for sure.
btw it sounds pretty decent as it is, its a huge upgrade from my itb eq and overall size of the sound. and clean.
Old 26th January 2010
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Hungarian then. Several people told me they were Czech. certainly as badly informed as i
Old 28th November 2010
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BEAG

Yes, Beag is (was) Hungarian

these consoles were developed as a coproduction with the Hungarian National Radio. They based the design on the studer 89 / 189, they tried to copy them in quite a special way
The most "popular" console was the "FIT-IC" and PKC series, there were more than hundred consoles installed in a lot of radio and TV studios in hungary. The Broadcasting system of the Moscow olympic games in 1980 was based on this system also.

The consoles were sounded like ****, but the design is quite interesting, there is a lot of funny solutions. The 189 design was copied with 709 and 741 op amps.
toroid transformer based preamp, low-mid para- high EQ, 2 aux sends.
In the first series the EQ was built with linear pots, because they didn't have rev-log characteristic pots...

the FIT-IC was a "VCA" console with the possibility of VCA groups, but there were no VCA devices in the signal path! Because of the COCOM-Embargo, they used photoresistors (LDRs) instead of VCA-s.

This solution sounded fine, but the 709 op-s fu*cked up the sound, the whole console :(

There is a funny story about the FIT-IC console:

when the first prototype arrived to the radio, engineers complained about the poor headroom. it was really hard to work with it, because there were audible distortion when level reached +2-3 dB. Engineers wrote a suggestion about level structure, and sent it to the head of department.
A few days later they got an answer from the director (that means a head of the industrial referent of Communist Party)
" levels above 0dB is overload, and it is a sabotage , its against socialism" and they got an order to "avoid using not allowed levels in the signal chain"

than the engineers in the Radio developed they own summing amplifier, and changed them in the consoles...the saboteurs, who were against socialism...
Old 28th November 2010
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I've used a live board from Beag in my first sound engineering experiences in a louche punk bar in my hometown and i've never seen one again. It wasn't really working wel (in bad shape) and sounded like **** (it could also be the lousy pa and crappy mics of the bar off course). But that may not be a reference because it was not in a good shape. this was in the mid 90's

it had 16channels with 3 band eq, 3 sends and 4 busses and was heavy as hell.
we needed to lift it with 2 persons to move it...
Old 18th June 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by doktorwolff View Post
Yes, Beag is (was) Hungarian

when the first prototype arrived to the radio, engineers complained about the poor headroom. it was really hard to work with it, because there were audible distortion when level reached +2-3 dB. Engineers wrote a suggestion about level structure, and sent it to the head of department.
A few days later they got an answer from the director (that means a head of the industrial referent of Communist Party)
" levels above 0dB is overload, and it is a sabotage , its against socialism" and they got an order to "avoid using not allowed levels in the signal chain"

then the engineers in the Radio developed they own summing amplifier, and changed them in the consoles...the saboteurs, who were against socialism...
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