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Question: Massive Passive EQ or Great River EQ Dynamics Processors (HW)
Old 7th October 2005
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Question: Massive Passive EQ or Great River EQ

Okay, there is no doubt that these are two great EQs. Anyway, I want to add a new EQ to my setup. I have never used it but everyone says that Massivo can polish a terd so to speak. Does it have surgical precision? Can I get some beef out of drums ... chunk out of guitars? The advantage I see of having a the Massivo is placing it over program material which I guess Great River isn't suited for. So, if you could only have one which would it be ..... or what would you get instead of these that has great versatility. I mix only rock and alternative
Old 7th October 2005
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I have an MP but only like it for lo/mid/ mid range tweaks on the stereo.
the lows don't feel punchy like a Pultec.it has its uses though.
the HI/LO filters are amazing on it..
Don't really like anything above 5k on the bus,just sounds weird to me.Pultecs cover that.... and in the near future,some Fearns as well[look forward to the mid scoops on these].
for individual tracks its very cool though,kick snare,guitars,vocals,etc..

I'm looking forward to grabbing the stereo GR.Really like those EQ's!
I don't see why you couldn't use it on the bus as well..its a great eq. thumbsup
Old 13th October 2005
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@RoundBadge
Do you know the GR EQ/have already worked with those?
Is there a chance that the GR covers what MP is lacking (in combination with the MP)? (IYO)

Thanks in advance
Old 13th October 2005
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The GR is one of the best EQs for heavy guitars!
Agressive mids that aren't anoing!
A GR + a Buzz Audio MPE would be the EQs I would buy.

Two Buzz Audio ARCs are nice to have for all kinds of duties 2bus, tracking, mastering, ...
Old 13th October 2005
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the MP is a great midrange eq and the best guitar eq to my ear. it's not surgical, and the low end is weak as in all manley gear. I dont use the MP on the 2 bus, drum buss or for mastering hardly at all now that I have the TMEQ/Weiss combo.

the GR is a full range eq, with thicker lows and is harmonically more solid/cleaner (no tubes)

If you have no eq and you want something for everything including drums, the GR. If you want great mids and guitar eq, the MP ... if you want both you'd be happy
Old 13th October 2005
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This thread was not geeky enough for the Geekslutz forum. Moved to High End.
Old 13th October 2005
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The Massivo is more a work of art than just an EQ.

Its so pretty, you could buy one just to look at it.

The knobs are inspiring.

It definitely won't grab like a 1073 style EQ will.

For sweetening, its can't be beat. But you can't bitchslap the audio with it, which sometimes needs to be done.

Old 13th October 2005
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You might want to demo Mr. Derr's amazing Lil' Freq as well..it kicks ass.

I decided on a Massive Passive and a pair of Lil' Freqs to sit on my 2 bus (along with an API 2500 mix bus compressor). They arrived last week and I've spent a great deal of time running some of my finished mixes through them. The MP is like a living organism...I can EQ the hell out of things and they never sound harsh or unnatural to me. Warm, natural, creamy and organic are terms that come to mind when I think of the MP. I use a lot of samples intermingled with real instruments and the MP does a great job of bringing them to life. And talk about gear porn...the thing looks beautiful!

The Lil' Freqs are like precision surgical instruments, with the potential to turn psychotic when pushed (the HP is especially colorful)...where the MP gives my mixes a beautiful, organic quality, the lil' freqs can go in and do microscopic cosmetic surgery to remove subtle imperfections, add mega-chunk to guitars and serious beef to drums .

I highly recommend this combo for the mix bus. However, for the application your describing, I believe the Lil' Freq would be a good way to get the crunch and beef you're looking for.

Of course, YMMV,
--kingsalmonella
Old 13th October 2005
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Massive Passive- The best vocal EQ out there bar none.

Works also well on snares and direct guitars.

Sometimes on bass.

Not great though on a kick.

Don't really like it by itself on the mixbuss.


GRiver EQ- Great EQ for drums and acoustic guitars.

Works also well on vocals.

Sometimes on bass.

Could use a touch of some "transformer"coloration though.

Can be used on the mixbuss.

Doesn't have the broad stroke of the Massive though.

They both compliment each other well.

Bottomn line: you need both.

Welcome to the High End.
Old 13th October 2005
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I have always loved the Massive Passive.... Haven't heard the GR yet.

And now for something completely different. How about the IBIS?
Old 14th October 2005
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Originally Posted by 5 Cent
@RoundBadge
Do you know the GR EQ/have already worked with those?
Is there a chance that the GR covers what MP is lacking (in combination with the MP)? (IYO)

Thanks in advance
On the stereo bus?
It could do that..depends on your personal taste and program material.
For what I do, something tubey,super sweet, and a little less aggressive[Pultecs,and soon Fearns] does the trick for me.
love the GR for individual tracks.
Old 14th October 2005
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Great River EQ2NV sounds great on 2 bus....I liked it so much I replaced the output section of my console with it. thumbsup

It is 'warm' when regular gain staging is observed, but it is not putting out a ton of obvious harmonics. There is a transformer on the input of the unit (some seem to think it is transformerless, only on the output). There is a variable input selector that, at least to my ears, causes the transformer to saturate if so desired (i.e. put it to L-2 when running a +4 signal into and you'll hear more softness and harmonics). My individual tracks are more than warm enough (between using tube and vintage mics, tape and lots of outboard during mix)...so I need something on the two bus with very little phase smear and that remains tight throughout all the frequencies. I like having the option of it being a little cleaner if desired. IME, putting too much coloration or distortion on the two bus is putting all your eggs in one basket. It's often not as effective as many would think, and diminishing returns are imminent.

It's made to use with the Great River 2NV preamp through the insert point, basically so you can use the output transformer of the 2NV.

Looking forward to getting the new passive inductor based Buzz Audio Resonance REQ2.2 in...I don't think there will be anything else like it.
Old 14th October 2005
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I haven't used the GR EQ, but I have a MP. If anyone could have just one EQ, it's gotta be the Massivo. Of course if you could have many high-end EQ's I'd go with a nice variety, and not 5 seperate MP's. But the MP would be the first on my list.
Old 14th October 2005
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Nathan, don't you work for Atlas? Does Atlas deal both Manley and Grear River or just GR? tutt dfegad
Old 14th October 2005
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Nathan, don't you work for Atlas? Does Atlas deal both Manley and Grear River or just GR? tutt dfegad

I don't work for Atlas, I am Atlas....

Did I say one bad thing about Manley?

Did I even mention Manley?

I think Manley makes GREAT product, does that at all mean anything one way or the other? I've got a lot more experience (years!!) with the GR.

I was giving subjective and additional factual information about the Great River based on my own experiences (about 95% of it being factual about the way the GR functions electronically...the other 5% being open to subjective interpretation that deals with how I personally engineer in my commercial studio).

Not really sure what your point is.

I know what you are implying, but you are really reading far too deep into it to extrapolate what you have.

Feel free to take what I say with a grain of salt, feel free to put me on your 'ignore' list so you won't ever have to see my posts again, but please don't imply that I'm a liar in public, at least until you've talked to me, or others about me, and have found information to the contrary.






BTW, it's all good, I'm guessing you've been bull****ted by a dealer or two before. There are still a few good fish left in the sea.
Old 14th October 2005
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The MP2NV (that's the Great River) lives across the mix bus at my studio. It's an amazing tool.

Soon I'll be trying it out in conjunction with the MiniMassive. I think both together should be a very powerful combination. And after listening for almost 45 minutes on the exhibit hall floor (can you really do that?), I decided that the MiniMassive is a very serious contender despite its size. Two rack spaces, 6 stereo bands with the GR/MM combo. Precision on the GR, and broad strokes on the MM. What's not to love?
Old 14th October 2005
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Originally Posted by NathanEldred
I don't work for Atlas, I am Atlas....

Did I say one bad thing about Manley?

Did I even mention Manley?

I was giving subjective and additional factual information about the Great River based on my own experiences (about 95% of it being factual about the way the GR functions electronically...the other 5% being open to subjective interpretation that deals with how I personally engineer in my commercial studio).

Not really sure what your point is.
Point is, you sell one, and you do not sell the other. People forget when they are taking advise from dealers. I apologise. It is nice to see a dealer and user who holds a product they sell in such high regards.... (No pun, the GR stuff is all great)

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I know what you are implying, but you are really reading far too deep into it to extrapolate what you have.
Hey! Easy. I just asked about who you deal and who you don't?

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Originally Posted by NathanEldred
Feel free to take what I say with a grain of salt, feel free to put me on your 'ignore' list so you won't ever have to see my posts again, but please don't imply that I'm a liar in public, at least until you've talked to me, or others about me, and have found information to the contrary.
I did not imply that you are a liar. I just asked what you sell. If anything, I implied that you have a motive to what you say. No offence, I know you are trying to help and do your job. I do not fault you for that. Although, I NEVER made any implication that you lie, have lied or that you are a liar. Just a dealer.





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BTW, it's all good, I'm guessing you've been bull****ted by a dealer or two before. There are still a few good fish left in the sea.
I never have been beat by a dealer. But I know it happens. I also know some dealers are very good at posting and coming across like 'just another guy with no ulterior motive.' (that being said with no direct or indirect implication to you).
Old 14th October 2005
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I don't get it 84k. Nathan includes in his signature a direct link to his website. There's pretty much full disclosure right there. It's one thing to make your implication about him if he didn't disclose his "dealer" status. But I don't see the point when it's clear as the water in Aruba what Nathan does or doesn't sell. I doubt that Nathan is any less crazy about gear than the rest of us "nondealers" simply because he sells gear. And for a fact, I've met Nathan and mixed in his studio with him. He is in fact as much of a gearslut as anyone who frequents this joint. He has a lot of gear, including stuff that he doesn't sell... but simply likes because it's slutty.

My point? ... lay off and be cool. Nathan's actually one of the good guys.
Old 14th October 2005
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But you can't bitchslap the audio with it, which sometimes needs to be done.

Old 14th October 2005
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Every great EQ, mic or pre, sounds better in certain applications over others. I can't imagine anyone being sorry that bought a Massive Passive, Great River EQ or Cranesong IBIS.

In regards to the IBIS, first off it looks a lot better in person. The green knobs on some photos did not really appeal to me. This is a very flexible EQ since it can be clean or you can add 2nd harmonic distortion on different bands or all the bands. I fell in love with this EQ at the AES.

Massive Passive is the best EQ I have heard on vocals, any vocals. I agree with the low end you may need a punchier EQ like the Great River. Same thing when I play bass guitar through my Mesa/Boogie tube amp. If I am doing more of a jazz thing, I keep the gain low, and increase the input for a cleaner sound.

For a middle of the road EQ (not too clean or smooth) the Great River I found to be one of the best. You smile when you turn the knob. Go ahead, I dare you not to smile.

The Mini Massive with limited time I had with it at the AES, is a smoother sounding solid state EQ over the Great River. I liked it a lot. But with only a high and low band EQ, this would be a secondary EQ in your bag (though I am sure we all have several EQ's already). For touching up the low or high end, it does it very nicely, with a gentle sound. The Focusrite ISA 430 EQ has a similar (though different) sound. It adds some smoothness to your signal without being warm like a tube EQ. Oh just buy them all!
Old 14th October 2005
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I have the Massive Passive and its a great piece. I have found it really good on snare and vocals. I actually find it Ok on Kick,coupled with a Crane Song Trakker you need to use your ears and turn the knobs, you can get some good organic sounds. I would go as far as to say that with my PT HD3 system, using it as an insert negates the need for OTB summing, I personally think that great analog inserts ITB sound better if you gain stage properly and know what you are doing. Ialso have 2 Fearn VT4s and they are different again. They are like Pultecs AMAZING on bass guitar, stupendous on acoustic guitar, very different from the ~Massive but you need them all, after all we are gearslutz!!!

James Cullen
Old 14th October 2005
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I don't get it 84k. --------- My point? ... lay off and be cool. Nathan's actually one of the good guys.

Right On! Maybe you'll get an addition 10 off your next pruchase. Like I said, no offence / disrespect to Atlas. Nathan. or you or them or they. Just asking if he deals both?
Old 14th October 2005
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Right On! Maybe you'll get an addition 10 off your next pruchase. Like I said, no offence / disrespect to Atlas. Nathan. or you or them or they. Just asking if he deals both?
Dude you're way too cynical for your own good. Now I'm involved as a co-conspirator to mislead you and others into buying the GR EQ from Nathan? ... Oh paleeze. Back on topic.
Old 4th March 2007
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.... (snip)......
I decided on a Massive Passive .......(snip)....... The MP is like a living organism...I can EQ the hell out of things and they never sound harsh or unnatural to me. Warm, natural, creamy and organic are terms that come to mind when I think of the MP. I use a lot of samples intermingled with real instruments and the MP does a great job of bringing them to life. And talk about gear porn...the thing looks beautiful! .......(snip).....,
--kingsalmonella
A while back when I played with a Massive Passive this was EXACTLY the reaction I had.... you simply put into words what I heard...

I want one!
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