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Old 17th November 2009
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i need a de-escher

thats right. not a de-esser, but de-escher. i hardly have problems with "ss". but the "sch" is killing me. same on classic recordings. whenver anyone sings "show" "chance" "she" my ears are hurt. can anyone recommend a hardware unit that helps me with this?
Old 17th November 2009
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no such thing


as i feel that they are the same and a desser will accomplish deeshing.

for more fine tuning, get the lil freq which offers fine tuning.


however, the waves ren de-esser offers de eshing/essing or split.
Old 17th November 2009
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try de-essing around 2k-2.5k.....the C's can sit there somtimes....
Old 17th November 2009
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Why would anyone want to get rid of this? You people are weird.

Old 18th November 2009
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Originally Posted by salomonander View Post
thats right. not a de-esser, but de-escher. i hardly have problems with "ss". but the "sch" is killing me. same on classic recordings. whenver anyone sings "show" "chance" "she" my ears are hurt. can anyone recommend a hardware unit that helps me with this?
Grab a compressor with a sidechain insert and use an EQ to find what bugs you, and smack it down...?

War
Old 18th November 2009
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You don't need a de-esher... you need a Derr-esser... "bkbirge" is wise
Old 18th November 2009
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Why would anyone want do get rid of this? You people are weird.
Man you beat me to it! lol
Old 18th November 2009
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Man you beat me to it! lol
and you beat me to telling him he beat me to it!

hey, that's kind of self-referential infinite regress - sort of like....
Old 18th November 2009
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thats right. not a de-esser, but de-escher. i hardly have problems with "ss". but the "sch" is killing me. same on classic recordings. whenver anyone sings "show" "chance" "she" my ears are hurt.

Been to an ENT lately? Sounds like you may have fluid built up in your canals.

If so your best bet is 2 mucinex and a gallon of water a day.


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Old 18th November 2009
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I need a de-"ttt"-sser. Past few days have been playing around with deessers but can't seem to nail the TTTs without taking out too much of the other frequencies that give the vocals "air". ANy ideas?

Don't mean to hijack the thread
Old 18th November 2009
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Been to an ENT lately? Sounds like you may have fluid built up in your canals.

If so your best bet is 2 mucinex and a gallon of water a day.


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And a daily dose of Loratadine.
Old 18th November 2009
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I need a de-"ttt"-sser. Past few days have been playing around with deessers but can't seem to nail the TTTs without taking out too much of the other frequencies that give the vocals "air". ANy ideas?

You will never find a de-esser that's as effective as this little move right here:



Just pull down that center point until you have the amount of reduction desired. Done right, it's *completely* transparent and by its very nature doesn't affect anything else in the track.


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Old 18th November 2009
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You will never find a de-esser that's as effective as this little move right here:



Just pull down that center point until you have the amount of reduction desired. Done right, it's *completely* transparent and by its very nature doesn't affect anything else in the track.


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what he said.
Old 18th November 2009
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seems to me the CHHHH sound he is talking about is more proximity effect on the H

higher than P or B pops but overload from the air pressure
Old 18th November 2009
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Just stop singing in German.

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Old 18th November 2009
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Paul's DSM is the $hit!!!
It's all you'll ever need. (That is not a cheezy sales pitch)
Old 18th November 2009
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Originally Posted by u b k View Post
You will never find a de-esser that's as effective as this little move right here:

Just pull down that center point until you have the amount of reduction desired. Done right, it's *completely* transparent and by its very nature doesn't affect anything else in the track.


Gregory Scott - ubk
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Hey I thought you toasted your DAW ( I am just giving your hard time haha)
Thinkin' about Ditching the Daw... talk to me
Old 18th November 2009
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You will never find a de-esser that's as effective as this little move right here:



Just pull down that center point until you have the amount of reduction desired. Done right, it's *completely* transparent and by its very nature doesn't affect anything else in the track.


Gregory Scott - ubk
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+2.
Old 18th November 2009
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Hey I thought you toasted your DAW ( I am just giving your hard time haha)
Thinkin' about Ditching the Daw... talk to me

Lol! Nah, I just removed it from my studio. But it's still on my laptop, at some point I gotta take that analog 2-mix and convert to an mp3.

Plus, I can't lug the Studer to trade shows... much as I would love to!


Gregory Scott - ubk
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Old 18th November 2009
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Duplicate the vocal track...insert EQ/ filter...remove ALL but the offending freq's..reverse phase(of the duplicate).Add into original as desired.M
Old 19th November 2009
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Originally Posted by u b k View Post
You will never find a de-esser that's as effective as this little move right here:



Just pull down that center point until you have the amount of reduction desired. Done right, it's *completely* transparent and by its very nature doesn't affect anything else in the track.


Gregory Scott - ubk
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you rock!

for what its worth i have tried and really like Dane Tates De-esser
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have not tried Dave but i hear great things about it.
Old 19th November 2009
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Why would anyone want to get rid of this? You people are weird.


Have you ever seen the real models people have built of his art?
Old 19th November 2009
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Originally Posted by u b k View Post
You will never find a de-esser that's as effective as this little move right here:



Just pull down that center point until you have the amount of reduction desired. Done right, it's *completely* transparent and by its very nature doesn't affect anything else in the track.


Gregory Scott - ubk
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Cool. Ill have to try that. I use the same/similar method for taming over powering cymbal hits.
Old 19th November 2009
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uhh.. couldn't you automate a keyed limiter to do the same thing???
Old 19th November 2009
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Just stop singing in German.

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Haha - spot on Jim!

You know this language can really be a PITA!
Old 19th November 2009
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I can also second the recommendation of the DSM, very powerful, but sometimes I can't get it right still.

I've been trying the Eiosis Deesser, and it has a feature no other plug-in has, that might do exactly what you're after: it lets you EQ "s" and "schhh" independently from the rest of the signal. Try it!
Old 19th November 2009
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thanks for the replies.

first, no i dont need ear cleaning. my doctor does this regularly :-)

second, i know how to use automation but was asking for a hardware unit - thanks for your advice anyways.

so i guess i'm asking for a hardware de-esser with transparent split-mode.
Old 19th November 2009
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I was just wondering what mic/pre combo you're using?

The problem you had rings a bell with me. I went to a Fearn/Lawson combo and it went away. Tubes.

Just an idea...
Old 19th November 2009
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And a daily dose of Loratadine.
and a daily netty pot cleansing...
I'm with Tony: to fix a problem, start with the source heh
Old 19th November 2009
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second, i know how to use automation but was asking for a hardware unit - thanks for your advice anyways.

so i guess i'm asking for a hardware de-esser with transparent split-mode.
Your answer is in post #6

Derresser

Also check out:
Maselec MDS-2
SPL De-esser
DBX 902
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