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Buss compressor for rock and pop to compliment an SSL?
Old 15th November 2009
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Buss compressor for rock and pop to compliment an SSL?

I have an SSL clone that we use as a buss compressor, I'm looking for another good flavor for the style we mostly do (rock, pop and metal). 33609? API 2500? What would be a good compliment and why?
Old 15th November 2009
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The FATSO, while an unlikely candidate on the surface, can be a fluffy bunny or a nuclear warhead. Or anything in between. Easy to overdo it, but the character of the FATSO is pretty great across a mix. Not having any control over attack and release times is kind of brilliant sometimes, too.
Old 15th November 2009
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how is that ssl comp working out, are you diggin it?????????



pendulum ocl-2 maybe?????? offers another side of clean.... got to hear my mastering guy use one today and a tubetech sm34722398123074 multiband comp....

api 2500?? awesome!!!!!!
Old 15th November 2009
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Originally Posted by James 'LA' Lugo View Post
I have an SSL clone that we use as a buss compressor, I'm looking for another good flavor for the style we mostly do (rock, pop and metal). 33609? API 2500? What would be a good compliment and why?
for metal...SSL I love my smart C1


The other one I'd like to get is a NEVE 33609 as it is on the other end of the spectrum..I remember it being thicker and slower..it's been a long time since I have used one and have less experience with it But its been on my mind. I'd like to get a 33609 for the 2 buss duties and use my c1 on the drum buss and vice versa
Old 15th November 2009
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On the drum buss I always prefered the API to the SSL ... what about a dirty little phoenix ?
Old 15th November 2009
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The FATSO, while an unlikely candidate on the surface, can be a fluffy bunny or a nuclear warhead. Or anything in between. Easy to overdo it, but the character of the FATSO is pretty great across a mix. Not having any control over attack and release times is kind of brilliant sometimes, too.
Second that. Amazing piece of gear the FATSO. But you need time to learn the steep control settings. Its a piece with character that's for sure
Old 15th November 2009
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On the drum buss I always prefered the API to the SSL ... what about a dirty little phoenix ?
I ssume you are speaking of the 2500...isnt the 2500 a fairly new comp? In the last 10 years?

SSL compression is a very special thing when it comes to smack on the drums...its the sound of a lot of my fav. records from the 80's to be sure
Old 15th November 2009
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Old 15th November 2009
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aurora audio gtc2 is a perfect addition to the ssl. completely different vibe all together and is a KILLER comp for tracking also. i like the api but it usually stays on the drums.
Old 15th November 2009
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As a buss compressor? Not for my taste. It does many beautiful things but the mixbus isnt one of them. YMMV of course.
Old 15th November 2009
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API 2500 would be nice and is incredibly flexible. Some like the manley vari-mu (personally it's just never really worked for me on the mix though I understand there is a mod which helps with this). Another very different option might be something like a Crane Song stc-8. I picked up a dramastic obsidian over the summer and it pretty much lives on the 2bus now (save for the API I actually have all of the above so this isnt the usual GS BS).
Old 15th November 2009
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I use the Thermionic Phoenix. The api 2500 I couldn't stand in the mids. I found the Vari-mu too colored in the bass, and the OCL-2 was too transparent really vs. the Phoenix to do enough for me. The 33609 is nice but I tend to use it on guitars. Squeezebox is like a modern hifi version of the LA-2A and I don't think I'd want it across the bus. The SSL is usually always in use along with one of the others, unless I want to maintain transients for some reason.

Since testing it I've heard so many nice records that clearly have that Vari-mu color on the bass that I'm thinking it would be my next flavor to add, but it is so strong I don't know if I could marry it. The compression it offers is also more aggressive than the Phoenix. I would say it's between those two for my suggestion, try both, you will want both for different reasons.
Old 15th November 2009
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The A Designs Nail (soon to be released) is just about the best 2-bus compressor I've ever had the pleasure of using. Details you didn't even know existed are brought out in a very amazing way.
Old 15th November 2009
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How about a Vac-Rac?
Old 15th November 2009
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love this thing on a lot of things..never tried it on the buss
Old 15th November 2009
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A little 2buss love from the SSL comp and a little love from a Manley Vari-Mu is a pretty might combo.
Old 15th November 2009
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The A Designs Nail (soon to be released) is just about the best 2-bus compressor I've ever had the pleasure of using. Details you didn't even know existed are brought out in a very amazing way.
I forgot we had that at the studio a few weeks ago and it was great.
Old 15th November 2009
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Can't wait for the Nail! And the Zener is a monster!! Love the API 2500 every time I hear it.
Old 16th November 2009
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aurora audio gtc2 is a perfect addition to the ssl. completely different vibe all together and is a KILLER comp for tracking also. i like the api but it usually stays on the drums.
Old 16th November 2009
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CraneSong STC-8. With the SSL you have a "colorful" compressor with it's own sound, the STC-8 can be totally transparent if you like it to.

My stereo bus chain right now is: SSL900+ (sometimes with a touch of the SSL bus comp) > STC-8 > Massive Passive > API 5500 > Zener > Curve Bender. That doesn't mean everything is on at all times, but with that chain I can pretty much do everything I need to.
Old 16th November 2009
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for a low cost alternative (but not low fi) you might consider the 1968, it's still a favorite for mix buss duties. (I use it with a Curve Bender) -> NICE!
Old 17th November 2009
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A little 2buss love from the SSL comp and a little love from a Manley Vari-Mu is a pretty might combo.
x2 that! Smart C2 + VariMu (HPSC & TBar). A little of these guys can go a LONG way.
Old 17th November 2009
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Another vote for the C1, however I do like the Actions for smooth stuff on the 2 buss and I'm awaiting a SSL Clone....all 3 sounds yummy.
Old 17th November 2009
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I have an SSL clone that we use as a buss compressor, I'm looking for another good flavor for the style we mostly do (rock, pop and metal). 33609? API 2500? What would be a good compliment and why?

Get a real SSL bus compressor not a clone. xlogic is good the old grey face is good...and be done with it..

C1 is good too or Dramastic Obsidian... . The Aurora compressor was very transparent for me. It reminds me of the API 2500 as far as squashing goes. Even though you wouldn't want to squash a mix. The SSL can squash for tracking purposes.. I can say that the Aurora sounds good when running tracks through it..

IMO, the SSL xlogic has an upper hand on the API 2500 on the 2bus mix. Drum bus is where the API 2500 should live. Along with the 33609 (yes it can be a decent 2bus mix comp but not my choice)

The only other bus compressor I like on the 2bus is the old Red 3 from focusrite and the TSL-3 from inward connections. That is a nice smoother for Pop songs..
Old 17th November 2009
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We actually used my clone for a while along with an original FX384, they sounded identical.

Like I OP'ed I'm really looking for something other then an SSL buss compressor.
Old 17th November 2009
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I would suggest the API 2500. Can be smooth (Old/FB mode) or aggressive (New/FF mode). Switched attack, release and ratio makes for good recallability.

So far I've run through the Phoenix, ADR Compex, SSL, TG1, 1968, Elysia Mpressor and the API for the 2 buss - right now I'm using the API most of the time.

The ADR Compex is great if you can get one, the 1968 is nice but easy to overdo since it's soft knee all the way. The Mpressor is super flexible but sometimes hard to get right - and pretty expensive anyways. The Phoenix is almost boring but nice on Jazz or acoustic music.

Personally i really like the action of the SSL bus comp, but I'm not in love with the way a signal sounds just by running audio through it - to me it's doing something strange to the stereo image and it's losing bottom end. I wouldn't run an entire mix through this thing, but that's just me.
Old 17th November 2009
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Hey DONNX, im looking at the Aurora GTC2. What did you think of it?? Cant find a lot of reviews on it. Did you sell yours and if you don't mind me asking why? Something you didn't like?
Old 17th November 2009
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The Portico 5043 is amazing on my mixes.
Old 17th November 2009
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As others have mentioned, STC8 for mostly clean / transparent with a just bit of low-mid coloration or 33609 / 33314 for smear / rock. Just saw a pair of original 33314 go for $3400 on eBay.

The Compex is great, but maybe a little closer in family to the SSL... if you're looking for something with more contrast try the above. If you go Compex though, try it transformerless on the mix.
Old 17th November 2009
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Foote Control Systems P3S with Carnhill Output transformers switchable to electronically balanced output stage. This thing rocks and rolls on the buss! I have not found any way possible to wreak the sound. Well, you can take all the buttons out and then it becomes a rather cool distortion box varied by the ratio control. Otherwise this thing is fail safe to the last setting. Perfect tool for the 2-buss!!



Airfield Liminator. This mammoth makes your audio BIGGER and CLEARER, taller and longer. Its Audio Viagra!!! Its discrete amplifier circuit adds dimension. Not to mention the switchable Input transformers, [JENSEN and SOWTER] which add even more possibilities to this amazingly well thought out optical limiter.



TC Phoenix. Can you say; old school? This thing is a beast on the 2-buss with the intention of adding a healthy dosing of vibe and coloration. It adds top end go-go juice and syrupy mid and bottom. Its very open, and has almost ZERO bad unwanted distortion artifacts in the gain cell.



As recommend, one of my all time favorite compressors in our studio, the Crane Song STC-8, which makes me look like a brilliant m/fer when I get the settings just right. The way this thing works is unfathomably cool, as it is ultimately capable of a myriad of different results. It would take 4 pages to explain what happens when you play "wheel of fortune" with the process knob and the threshold set so you can hear the effects of the compressor compressing. Its a "save my a##" and "holy sh#t, how did you do that" kind of box.



Do I need to get into how cool this big red thing is???????????????????????
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