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Old 3rd March 2009
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Bricasti Horror Video (now with .wavs)

YouTube - Bricasti M7 Stereo Reverb

I haven't been able to compare the M7 to real plates myself, so this video was shocking to me.

My first thought was: OK, sell M7 -- get plate! I don't spend thousand of hours on writing lyrics and thousands of dollars on tracking them as intelligible as possible just to drown them in mud.

My second thought was: There must be an explanation for this. And if that guy in the video really believes that his A/B is favorable to M7, then he's likely to have made other mistakes, too (plus, his company IS called Broken Audio).

So... has anybody out there compared M7 to real plates? Are plates really THAT much better?

The funny thing is that I saw a post from Thrillfactor the other day where he claimed that an EMT plate is a must in a decent studio. And I was like -- um, yes, you haven't heard an M7, have you? :-/

If there is an explanation for this, then this thread should be buried like the vocal in the video. If not, I predict we'll see quite a few M7's on eBay. I hope for an explanation.

*** EDIT *** Casey has not only provided such an explanation, but also uploaded a set of test files in which you can't tell the M7 from real plates!

Take the test in post 80!

Last edited by author; 5th March 2009 at 11:16 AM.. Reason: New information
Old 3rd March 2009
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I'm not sure what you mean, but I the think the sound of real plate in this video blows the M7 out of the water. Makes me want an EMT140 even more.
Old 3rd March 2009
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the only horror is that its not very representative of anything vs anything.
aside from the obvious, [completely wacked youtube audio[& mono] quality]
the test is jacked from the get go.
for one thing the 140 is hotter level wise.
and I believe he says the plate is in need of service.one channel is out and its got some noise issues.

find a room.get them both together a you decide for yourself
they're both great units.
both different and super useful reverbs
the 140 is an amazing thing.rich,beautiful,deep.nothing really does a 140 like a well maintained 140
the bricasti is an amazing thing in a different way.the plates are ok but the real strength is the real spaces,which a 140 can't do
true gearslutz gotta have both
Old 3rd March 2009
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I was just listening to the quality of the sound of the
plate effects themselves and thought the Bricasti did
more than just 'hold up' to the real plates.

The level of the vocal seemed to dip a few db with the
Bricasti engaged but that's a mixing issue and has little
to do with the quality of the reverb itself. Match the mix/wet
and vocal levels and I think you've got a fairer comparison.

I think Bricasti nailed it.
Old 3rd March 2009
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Yeh,...just saying in that Vid even with one channel dead gone..the EMT sounds way, way better...so much warmer and richer.

I wouldnt expect anything digital/electronic to able to emulate a 140 anyway. Emulations never sound as good as the real thing Bricasti or not.
Old 3rd March 2009
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OUCH!!

The EMT sounds A LOT better than the Bricasti and the EMT is in MONO!!!

This video was supposed to promote the Bricasti
Old 3rd March 2009
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Pastor Obviedo
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Originally Posted by RoundBadge View Post
the only horror is that its not very representative of anything vs anything.
aside from the obvious, [completely wacked youtube audio quality]
the test is jacked from the get go.
for one thing the 140 is hotter level wise.
and I believe he says the plate is in need of service.one channel is out and its got some noise issues.

find a room.get them both together a you decide for yourself
they're both great units.
both different and super useful reverbs
the 140 is an amazing thing.rich,beautiful,deep.nothing really does a 140 like a well maintained 140
the bricasti is an amazing thing in a different way.the plates are ok but the real strength is the real spaces,which a 140 can't do
true gearslutz gotta have both
Roundbadge, I respect your opinion a lot, but in this video, the 140 kills the Bricasti, the sound of the Bricasti is not even close, the EMT sounds Rich and full.
I know several people who bought their Bricasti for its plate Emulations.

P.
Old 3rd March 2009
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Don't ya know?

Ain't nothing like the real thing baby.

Old 3rd March 2009
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Originally Posted by outofphase View Post

The EMT sounds A LOT better than the Bricasti and the EMT is in MONO!!!

This video was supposed to promote the Bricasti
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastor Obviedo View Post
Roundbadge, I respect your opinion a lot, but in this video, the 140 kills the Bricasti, the sound of the Bricasti is not even close, the EMT sounds Rich and full.
I know several people who bought their Bricasti for its plate Emulations.

P.
Again,like i said above:the test is jacked.
the levels are off
please don't go by the videotutt
I've compared the two extensively in a really good room.
you guys should do the same
first off,I don't think the Bricasti's strong suits are the plates.
although in a good room the London plate does sound great.cleaner than a real 140[w/ martinsound electronics]
the 140 does the real plate and the Bricasti does real spaces like nobodies business
its sweet crispy apples to juicy ripe oranges
Old 3rd March 2009
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Using a digital reverb to achieve what a real reverb does is like using a tape saturation plug-in to achieve the sound of a tape machine. Both are approximations.
Old 3rd March 2009
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An EMT plate is a great unit.... There is no reason why it should not sound good in comparison to another units plate reverb... I mean it is classic unit and a REAL PLATE. heh

The only problem I have with this demonstration is, they aren't very clear what preset they used on the M7 (which can make a WORLD of difference)... Plus, how we are monitoring the demonstration leaves a lot to be desired (seems through a camcorder mic).

In the right hands, the Bricasti can duplicate a lot of reverb sounds with some knob tweaks of the presets. Either way, the Crystal Plate on the Bricasti is AMAZING, and I'm fairly confident that is not what they used on this test... I would have liked to heard that preset compared to the EMT with better testing procedures.

Let's not forget that the Bricasti's strong suit is the small rooms and real spaces. I think it also has extremely good plates, but I don't think this test showcases that very well. I KNOW that the M7 plates are much, much better than what we are hearing in the video.
Old 3rd March 2009
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The only problem I have with this demonstration is, they aren't very clear what preset they used on the M7
I think he mentions "London Plate" in the there.
[the Mark Knopfler 140 emu]
Old 3rd March 2009
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I should probably do a proper real 140 vs Bricasti test for you guys when i get the time

No more of this youtube camcorder bull****
Old 3rd March 2009
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I should probably do a proper real 140 vs Bricasti test for you guys when i get the time

No more of this youtube camcorder bull****
Old 3rd March 2009
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Consider it done!
Old 3rd March 2009
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You have the best graphics.

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Old 3rd March 2009
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Originally Posted by T_R_S View Post
Using a digital reverb to achieve what a real reverb does is like using a tape saturation plug-in to achieve the sound of a tape machine. Both are approximations.
although the Bricasti is the closest thing to a real space i've ever heard
I agree,would never consider the M7 a direct replacement for a real 140 though
Old 3rd March 2009
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You have the best graphics.
I'm with Alan.
where can I get me some cool emoti's like that Tony?
I love the popcorn one!
Old 3rd March 2009
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sounds like a complete settings/gain/return-EQ mismatch to me!

I know real EMT140s and while I´d probably add one to the Bricasti anyway, I think you could get verrrrry close, WHEN you know what you´re doing!

bad example!
Old 3rd March 2009
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The way this thread is going I won't be surprised to see that video pulled off Youtube soon. Yes, the Bricasti "demo" sounds suspiciously "watery" and weak level wise.
Old 3rd March 2009
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Quote:
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You have the best graphics.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoundBadge View Post
I'm with Alan.
where can I get me some cool emoti's like that Tony?
I love the popcorn one!
Old 3rd March 2009
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sounds like a complete settings/gain/return-EQ mismatch to me!

I know real EMT140s and while I´d probably add one to the Bricasti anyway, I think you could get verrrrry close, WHEN you know what you´re doing!

bad example!
I agree the M7 is very tweakable.
and yes everyone needs bothheh




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The way this thread is going I won't be surprised to see that video pulled off Youtube soon. Yes, the Bricasti "demo" sounds suspiciously "watery" and weak level wise.
LOL. GS quality control police in effect
no but seriously the guy probably only had the unit for a short period of time and did a quick test.
that video is not a good representation
Old 3rd March 2009
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OK Tony now I have a new favoritethumbsup
Old 3rd March 2009
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no but seriously the guy probably only had the unit for a short period of time and did a quick test, that video is not a good representation
Yeah that was at last years AES. Blame me, I was the one trying to dial in his echoplate (not the 140) on the M7. I guess I should have spent more time. I thought it sounded pretty good in the room when we solo A/B'd them. Apparently not!



-Casey
Old 3rd March 2009
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I think Bricasti nailed it.
Reallly? I thought the Bricasti sounded dull and lifeless next to the real plates. Just goes to show you that all our sensory information remains subjective and truly can't be otherwise.

Cheers,
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Don
Old 3rd March 2009
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Reallly? I thought the Bricasti sounded dull and lifeless next to the real plates. Just goes to show you that all our sensory information remains subjective and truly can't be otherwise.

Cheers,
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Don
Have you heard both in a good room?
Old 3rd March 2009
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Yeah that was at last years AES. Blame me, I was the one trying to dial in his echoplate (not the 140) on the M7. I guess I should have spent more time. I thought it sounded pretty good in the room when we solo A/B'd them. Apparently not!



-Casey
Casey you in LA anytime soon?
we could do a proper 140/M7 comparison
Old 3rd March 2009
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Again,like i said above the test is jacked.
Well Casey was there! So this is not a complot or a misleading campaign.

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I agree,would never consider the M7 a direct replacement for a real 140 though
After this video, I agree with you.
Old 3rd March 2009
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Have you heard both in a good room?
No, I'm waiting to hear your samples, and, frankly, this thread is about the sound in the video, right? My comment was about the sound in the video, which seems to have been posted to display just how close a Bricasti gets to a real plate. To my ears watching THAT video, it doesn't come close.

Cheers,
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Don
Old 3rd March 2009
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No, I'm waiting to hear your samples, and, frankly, this thread is about the sound in the video, right? My comment was about the sound in the video, which seems to have been posted to display just how close a Bricasti gets to a real plate. To my ears watching THAT video, it doesn't come close.

Cheers,
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Don
Gotcha.I agreethumbsup
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