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Old 16th June 2005
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are you going to buy a $20,000 compressor to use with a digital recording ?

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Old 16th June 2005
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Wow, 20K could buy quite a few vintage 1176's
Old 3rd August 2007
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Absoffukkinlutely!!
And I will speak from my experience having had a fairchild at my disposal, for years.
We sold a 25K fairchild for 18G's not long ago to a rich guy/ collector..big loss on that so called "investment"...
yeah, they've dropped since ADL pulled it off 3 years ago[Ours was the one used for the ADL A/B demo at AES LA a while back.
sure it was great..awsome..
Finding tubes is an absolute nightmare and maintenance can add up $$ quickly
It required a lot of TLC..
but the FC money has since gone into lots of other cool things , and honestly,I don't miss it nearly as much as I thought I would!
I didn't use it on the mixbuss as much as I thought I would.especially on the more modern rock stuff..we used the SSL/C2 for that
and many times I've switched to something else on drums[rooms/ovheads,etc]
Now I have access to many comps that IMO are much more flexible, IE:
Neve,Thermionic[which does a kinda FC vibe with a modern twist..loving it]
SSL/smart,cranesong,etc
things it did kill on: bass drum,snare ,bass gtr ,guitars,some vox/bkvox.. and on certian songs,on the room it sounded amazing!and of course the odd 2 mix..
When it worked it Killed...But NOT everytime!
Do yourself a big favor:
Rent one first!because for that kind of dough, you can grab a bunch of extremely cool shhit and be very content
I can even tell you who to get it from.
just my 2 C's
I can't remember where I read it somewhere I think here in this forum some time back, but regarding the discontinued Pendulum 6386 (BTW one left for sale @ Pendulum Audio - Class A Vacuum Tube Signal Processors) I think use similar or same tubes as the 670 that Hutch @ Manley Inc., has come up with something analogous to an EL84 Yellowjacket concept to plug into the original 670 tube slots. Don't know the details, and don't even know if it works effectively and efficiently, but I am very interesed as well. Someday I'll call him and ask when I'm not too buzy and lazy at the same time that is most of the time for me these days ...

IMNTLBFHO nothing, absolutely nothing will ever replace a 660 0r 670 circuit and design, no plugs, no makeovers, no look alikes etc. The real thing, I am absopositivelysureof of, is just the real fvvking thing .... end of argument for me anyway. As far as the 2 bus is concerned, and as far as many folks have said in this and many forums other than this one as well -- that they have NOT been successful on the 2 bus and have better success on the drum sub bus -- well ... there is a trick to the 2B in combining it with something else. I am not gonna say what, because it took me a long long time to figure it out for myself and finally discovered it by fluke accident one day because I had patched the wrong mult thru a patchbay while in a hurry and fvvking amazed myself, but here's a clue ... its a solid state device and something you would have never suspected to start with. Have fun in your discovery ... and when it happens it will be a BFFO -- BLINDING FLASH OF THE FVVKING OBVIOUS and you'll kick youself in the butt. I know I did lol!

~skygod~


PS. Hey. If it 'aint fun, why the heck do it in the first place?
Huh? Wha?
fuggedaboudit!

~skygod~

PPS. Its a hefty investment by any stretch of anybody's operating budget. When you figure out the mystery of the 2B, all the money you saved buying all that other cool **** will pale in comparison lol ... my 2c.

~skygod~
Old 4th August 2007
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I imagine it could be about distortion.
Maybe even a product from Germany?

Ruphus
Old 4th August 2007
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Would you strap one across your mixbus?
seems to have a slight mid scoop to me
Old 4th August 2007
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Has anyone had a chance to try out the Keats Audio 670 style comp?Studio

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Old 4th August 2007
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I am not gonna say what, because it took me a long long time to figure it out for myself and finally discovered it by fluke accident one day because I had patched the wrong mult thru a patchbay while in a hurry and fvvking amazed myself, but here's a clue ... its a solid state device and something you would have never suspected to start with. Have fun in your discovery ... and when it happens it will be a BFFO -- BLINDING FLASH OF THE FVVKING OBVIOUS and you'll kick youself in the butt. I know I did lol!

~skygod~

~skygod~

Dont be a pussy just tell us..was it in your studio build comparative listheh
Old 4th August 2007
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seems to have a slight mid scoop to me
But couldn't your adjust your mixing accordingly?
Old 4th August 2007
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count `em!
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count `em!
wow what a beast! Makes me want one
Old 4th August 2007
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so do you think bruce swedien's reading this thread?
Old 4th August 2007
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No offense Ruphus but it can`t be done. The parts just aren`t available anymore and if you put other parts into the same design it`s gonna sound different.
Yes and no and depends and WTF difference if guy behind gear is creative.
I found that ADL and Phoenix have all mojo I need (sometimes) in 670 direction. Not same, but sound is definitely there. Great, big, pleasant sound. Who care.
I still wait to hear original U47 that is overall better in 47-ish sound than Wagners I have or had. I had oportunity to buy for same cash Wagner or vintage. Sevaral great ears listened, too. Wagner won. Period.

So, 25 k for old box is OK for collectors, similarly as I paid 9 k for new (non-famous brand) custom order acoustic guitar recently. It's not arguably better guitar than several other 3 k guitars I have, but for reason beyond sonical it has value me (only to me I guess). Am I stupid? Yes, of course. As anyone ready to pay 25k for vinatge compressors due to their sonic supremacy nowdays when 3 k easily buys used Phoenix here on GS.
Old 4th August 2007
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Maybe I'm ignorant but to me, good is good. I personally can not listen to a song and say, "Yup, those vox are great, they were definitely recorded through a fairchild." My guess is most people couldnt do it either.
Old 5th August 2007
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aint nothing like them

i agree with the guy above ...... there is nothing like them

i have not tried all the replicas but the ones i have tend to sound much cleaner..
like they just cant let themselves be that naughty

i spent 6000 on a replica by a maker that shall remain namless and altho it
was very good and maybe at the end of the day more useful day to day
it was NOTHING like the original and my rep had like hand wound transformers the lot

the thing about a fairchild on the mix bus is its so EXTREME.... gotta love it..but it is what it is and maybe a bit much for some (boring) people..

if i had a grandmother id sell her to buy one

you cant really compare it to all the other cheaper compressers ie manley Pendulum etc
as fairchilds are ALOT more ..err well MORE

i have not used the adl you are all talking about tho they sound good but i suspect they are politer....

if you are wealthy enuff which by the sound of it you are
JUST GET ONE
and make some records that u really really love!!

they are that magic

its the slutty move forget good sense and cheaper more practical options !!

give in to the dark side


ps

what do u mix it with on the mix buss?
mic amp?
dbx160? lolfuuck
Old 5th August 2007
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But couldn't your adjust your mixing accordingly?
somewhat, i use the Sintefex sampled model, and im only making judgments off that.... It works on some bands and some not, thats what i like about Sintefex, i can find the right compressor for the right band, some of my favs or Neve ans SSL. Danfield is another great one for more midrange push.
Old 5th August 2007
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Has anyone had a chance to try out the Keats Audio 670 style comp?Studio

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YIKES! 12,000 pounds .... that's over $24,000.00. You could buy two Fairman TMC's and have a lot of change for that amount......

BTW I really like the TMC both for recording and mixing, especially the latter. I go to it more often than my 670 and that's not because we're the west coast distributor either.

Heck with the weak dollar I've only sold two Fairman units in the past two years, but the buyers loved em.

Mark
Your Place Or Mine Recording.com
Old 1st February 2008
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i had the fairman , the dw fearn , the ear , the chandler , the pendulum ,the adl ,
the crane song ............

no comp was as nice as the 670 (maybe i have a real good one)
it is awsome how fantastic it sounds...
i used it on vocals ,acc guit , bass . drums ,, mix bus .... it was never unusful..

i will never use a repicla again... nothing is as good as the original..
everybody i know who realy checked this comp out loved it ...
Old 1st February 2008
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The cool factor far overshown the practicality of owning one .
there's just so many cool comps out there now.
.like I said..
Really don't miss it. stike

IMO ,and the only people to "recreate" the Fairchild vibe so far is ADL.
I've compared the two..
nailing the FC sound is not something anybody can just whip up in there garage shop
Sorry to barge in, actually the best Fairchild vibe out there is the EAR (Esoteric Audio Research) 660, in my opinion. It is the Fairchild we always wanted, capable of much more fidelity and subtlety, it is a GREAT 2 bus, and the best mastering unit out there. They are $6400(at Mercenary) per channel and lovingly hand built(you had to wait a good while to get one). Such a deal!!!. I am with you guys about the 670 plugin not working on the 2 bus.
Old 1st February 2008
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I say go for it.
Old 1st February 2008
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if anyone has a 670 or clone identical thereof you should impulse it, id like to hear it thu a convolution plugin for its character...not for the compression at a Flat setting...and or Hot setting





(Chael) - Michael Thomas Candido
Old 1st February 2008
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There's no point in doing that, convolution (static), does not "sample" distortion and time based artifacts. Maybe something like Nebula would capture such a things, but still I doubt you'd get it nailed.
Old 1st February 2008
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if anyone has a 670 or clone identical thereof you should impulse it, id like to hear it thu a convolution plugin for its character...not for the compression at a Flat setting...and or Hot setting





(Chael) - Michael Thomas Candido
I don't have that for you, but you can compare the EAR 660s character by listening to the just about anything that Joe Gastwirt mastered since the early 90s. The Cars-Candy O remaster is a good example. It is much more than a Fairchild clone! When I was doing a/b comparisons at his place, it absolutely floored me. Just putting it in line with no compression is a religious experience!
Old 1st February 2008
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i had the fairman , the dw fearn , the ear , the chandler , the pendulum ,the adl ,
the crane song ............

no comp was as nice as the 670 (maybe i have a real good one)
it is awsome how fantastic it sounds...
i used it on vocals ,acc guit , bass . drums ,, mix bus .... it was never unusful..

i will never use a repicla again... nothing is as good as the original..
everybody i know who realy checked this comp out loved it ...
I purchased ours about a year ago. It has generated a lot of business for the studio. Other rooms bring their work here just to run a mix through the 670. It is the most incredible piece of audio gear I have ever heard. When you put it on the mix buss you realize the secret weapon that the chosen few have been using for years. It defies description on vocals. It is also built like a tank and will last for years. I've started to stockpile real 6386s and 5670Ws are $10 ea. They will get you by in an emergency. I'm telling you to buy it. You will not be sorry. Send me a non crushed mix and I'll run it through and send it back to you. You won't believe it. Since there is no loss of fidelity, it's easy to overuse so be aware of that.
Old 1st February 2008
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You guys may not have noticed ,but Tetness posted the initial question on June 15 2005.
He did buy one and I can vouch for him,it's a good one.
Old 1st February 2008
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The whole "You could buy a whole pile of other gear!" argument is ridiculous. Why buy anything expensive when you could just get a whole pile of DBX 160A's? They're amazing comps, and I definitely use one on every session.

That aside, we have one of the ADL 670's here at Studio G. Michael Brauer recommended it to us and when Anthony brought over the demo unit the first thing that Joel and I said is "No way are we spending $20,000 on two channels of compression". It took about five minutes to convince us. I came back in from the live room and Joel was already on the phone with Anthony working out purchase details so we wouldn't have to let the demo unit go. It's been strapped across the mix bus pretty much constantly since then.

Moral of the story: it's got its own sound. Sometimes that sound is appropriate, sometimes it's not. What's amazing about it isn't how defiantly noticeable it is, but instead how subtle of a flavor it is. It just makes my mixes sound like records that I've always loved, or at least pulls them in that direction in a way I've been unable to emulate with other gear.

We've never had a real 670 in here to compare it to, but I know a couple of studios who have sold their originals and replaced them with Anthony's version just because it's a new build of the exact same thing. Anthony did his research. But I'm not trying to sell you on his version (though if you're in the market for one I highly suggest you contact him in order to try one out), just explaining why I love it and why either one can be a valid purchase for your studio. Of course there's no way to know without just trying it for yourself, especially with a purchase this big!

-marc alan goodman
Studio G Brooklyn
Old 2nd February 2008
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Who owns one of these things and what's your favorite way of usiing it? Thinking about purchasing one from Vintage King.
NO WAY would I drop $20k-$30k on this - it's like playing musical chairs. Replacement tubes are very, very scarce and at some point, someone is going to get stuck with a piece of gear that they can't fire up.

(Unless of course one of the asian countries has put them out on the market in the last few months...)
Old 2nd February 2008
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You guys may not have noticed ,but Tetness posted the initial question on June 15 2005.
He did buy one and I can vouch for him,it's a good one.
hehheh

Yeah, this is funny!

Also, Tetness's 670 is one of the cleanest 670 I've ever seen, time ago, I got some photos of that 670 because I wanted to buy it before him.

Best regards.

delcosmos.
Old 2nd February 2008
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One thing I noticed while working on several different 670's over the years was that all the voltages were much higher than spec and not on purpose of the designer. The primary of the input transformers were designed for the lower line voltages present at the time of construction. 110-115v AC. When I measured the AC line going into these units it was typically 123-125v AC.The B+ voltages were higher, the filament voltages would be 7-7.5 volts instead of 6.3, contributing to excessive tube wear and higher failure rates. One of the units we variable ac-ed down to the proper mains voltage and it worked and sounded great for years with little servicing.
Old JMI Vox AC30's suffer the same high primary mains voltages here in the states.

The vintage Hammond tube organs ran the tube filaments at 5 volts which is why you often find them with mostly original tubes still working.

The only tube compressors I ever heard give the Fairchild 670 a run for the money was a rebuilt pair of RCA BA25's that were stereo linked and had 600 ohm variable output attenuators on them. I have a couple Collins 26U's that are pretty powerful and awesome sounding as well. The BA6A's are up there too.

And as my old radio engineer buddy used to say, "Fairchild 670's? we used to throw them in the dumpster because they had too much phase shift!",
To which I would dryly reply, "Which landfill did they end up in?" ;-)
Old 2nd February 2008
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ADL 670 - Fairchild 670 - Pendulum 6386

All money and brand prejudice aside, how do the three compare?

I'd love to know your know, if even if someone can contribute between two of the three...

Thanks,

Andrews
Old 2nd February 2008
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hehheh

Yeah, this is funny!

Also, Tetness's 670 is one of the cleanest 670 I've ever seen, time ago, I got some photos of that 670 because I wanted to buy it before him.

Best regards.

delcosmos.

Guess no one seems to care.
He's had his 670 for quite a while now.
its one of the best sounding units you'll ever hear.
The thread that wouldn't dieheh




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