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Ranking Tube Preamps Dual-Channel Preamps
Old 26th July 2002
  #31
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*smug mode*

*pretty chuffed to be right 4 a change*grggt grggt

thanks for the info fatty ,, your the one 4 me ..
Old 26th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tim L

...of course you do realize there's no tube in it...
I was hoping it would sound so good that I would have that glow...

Just how different do all these tube amps sound? With my Pendulum MDP-1, I feel like I should be looking for a Neve-alike.

Too many choices, too few $$.
Old 27th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by David R.

With my Pendulum MDP-1, I feel like I should be looking for a Neve-alike.
Between my MDP-1a, the Phoenix, and the pre's on my Trident 65, I can cover a lot of sonic ground... I would dearly love to slip an MP-2NV into the 'toolbox' though... why is it the list never gets smaller?
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Too many choices, too few $$.
Amen!
Old 28th July 2002
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To poorly paraphrase what American Express used to say in thier add on TV.... this Neve slut never leaves home without one of these !

PEACE
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Old 28th July 2002
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Tim,

I just got a Trident 65 about a month ago. Haven't had the time or wires as of yet to hook her up.

How long have you had yours and how do you like it? You oviously dig the pres!
Old 29th July 2002
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Or maybe it's you sleeping outside in a tent after spending the kid's tuition $$ on some new-falutin', high-fangled 'micromaphone'.

Ah, I see "g r i m m" (as in reaper, or as in the Bros. Grim m) is the emoticon code for it. Well, I like my other two misinterpretations better.

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Old 29th July 2002
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Old 30th July 2002
  #38
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OK, so tubes are nice, but are they necessary?

I submit for the consideration of all that tubes aren't necessary to create stunning audio.

How about....

Neve 1083
Hardy M1
GML 830x
Cranesong Flamingo/Spider
Focusrite Red1/8/110/220/430
Sequerra 1070-A
Daking 52270 (I own 2, and LOVE'em)

Hell, I don't even own a tube mic for christ's sake!

(note: I'm considering diving into the deep end on the tube mic, but that's a topic for another post)
Old 30th July 2002
  #39
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both methods of amplification are great... no need to segregate.

and i really dig nice tube mics. and tube pres.

i like having both around.

although for guitar amps, TUBES RULE. always will. and whats up with these pussy ass modelling amps everyone is making? what bull****.
Old 30th July 2002
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jzb,
I also have a nice collection of non tube pres (Old Focusrute Blue stuff (the Red doesn't compare)
as well as Crane Song, Oram and others.
I also have about 10 nice tube mics (Gold Ref, M149, Lawsons etc...) and 30 non tube and ribbons.
While I love the non tube stuff for some things,
my tube pre's (lots of 'em) are essential when recording to a DAW. For people who choose 2" tape, tubes aren't as vital a part of the front end.
Clients jaws drop when they hear a mix and then they hear the same mix through a Massive Passive and a Vari Mu. I'm not suggesting you abandon your path but for those of us who make a living tracking to DAW's....gotta have some tube's.
good luck,
chap
Old 30th July 2002
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Hey Chap,

I quite agree, the combo of MU with Massive Passive as a 2 buss mix is simpley magical! People are right, the Massive does not need to be ingaged, but "ran through" and it gives sonic Cream to the Sweetness of sound!

Cheers,
Old 30th July 2002
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It's funny about the Massive. There are guys who get upset about the very effect that you're speaking of. I agree with you. It adds some cohesiveness (as does the vari mu) that I can't get out of my other high end eq's. At the same time, it can add sheen and wartmth with out sounding overly polished. That's why I'm going to patiently stand in line and pay my daughter's tuition money for a SLAM!. I figure, if she can work all this stuff by the time she's 5 (she's 3 and can tell a Strat from a Firebird), I can retire and she'll get a scholership. Right? (pppsssttt....just agree so I can show this post to my wife )
remember: a happy wife is a happy life.
Old 30th July 2002
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Sounds like your little girl is on her way! Besides, the Manley knobs are designed for Children, so that when we adults use them, we understand subconsciously that we are haveing fun because the Knobs are Big and some how these "Toyz" do "real" things.

The investments are certainly worth it, even if it is finacialy painful!

Old 31st July 2002
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Re: 65 pre's

Quote:
Originally posted by Mad John
Tim,

I just got a Trident 65 about a month ago. Haven't had the time or wires as of yet to hook her up.

How long have you had yours and how do you like it? You oviously dig the pres!
I've had mine since the beginning of April and for the most part I'm very pleased with it... it's not an "80(x)" but it's a very nice little board just the same. So far I find the mic amp's to be fairly decent 'utility' pre's... not the greatest, but adequate and far from the worst. Usually, less critical elements go through the Tri's with the more important stuff (whatever that may be for a particular song) going through my Pendulum or the Phoenix.
Old 31st July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mad John
...Besides, the Manley knobs are designed for Children, so that when we adults use them, we understand subconsciously that we are haveing fun because the Knobs are Big and some how these "Toyz" do "real" things.
Well put, Mad John, couldn't agree more. I've got a Rode classic that sounds pretty good on some things, but more importantly, it's got those big "chicken-head" pots on the PS- God I love clicking those around...
Old 3rd August 2002
  #46
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Erm, a few people have mentioned the VIPRE.
Now I'm mentioning it again, 'cos it seems to have got ignored.
Old 3rd August 2002
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I'll mention it again because I'm going to order another one. Vipre. Consider it mentioned.
Old 3rd August 2002
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I think Micheal W is gonna end up with 4!

Old 4th August 2002
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4?!? im hoping to end up with one.
Old 4th August 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
I think Micheal W is gonna end up with 4!

4, I wishheh

I ordered a matched pair and alpha is so kind to take my old one of my hands.
Old 5th August 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tim L



I have one of the pre-production units (DR2146) which is the same pre-amp minus the pad and the individual earth lift. On the DR2146 the "lift" is global and is found on the back. I really can't say enough good things about this mic amp. I've found an R-121/Phoenix combo on e-gtr to be a very special experience indeed. The Phoenix seems to enlarge (for lack of a better term) what you put through it in a very pleasing way... awesome pre!


...of course you do realize there's no tube in it...
I got the DRS-2 from Fletcher and once again his suggestion is just the right thing for me. This is one fat and beautiful preamp that will kill you with kindness. No tubes, though (and none required).

Rick Krizman
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Old 7th August 2002
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Re: Phoenix DRS-2

Quote:
Originally posted by RKrizman


... This is one fat and beautiful preamp that will kill you with kindness. No tubes, though (and none required).
... Absotively!
Old 7th August 2002
  #53
" alpha is so kind to take my old one of my hands."

a HA!

I seeeeeeeeeeee!



haroomph!

grudge

heh
Old 10th August 2002
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I vote for the D.W. Fearn V.T. 2

-M.M.M.
Old 10th August 2002
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Great choice Matt. It's one of the few that I don't own and every time I use one I think I'll buy one. Then I look at the price. While Dan deserves it, he could sell more units if he priced himself a little friendlier. Still, seems worth it. Fat, true, open yada yada
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Old 10th August 2002
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Tube Preamp Question, Part Deux

These last couple o' posts bring us around full circle. I started this discussion by asking people to rank several good tube preamps, the Fearn among them. Interesting that it took all this time for the Fearn to get mentioned specifically.

Got some good tips, including a bunch of makes I hadn't thought about, plus some references to vintage units like the V76.

Frankly I'm not sure what I'll end up doing, but the Pendulum still looks good. It got high marks, and it's less expensive than some of the other choices.

One more question: can I get the desired results (top-notch tube sound) by having Audio Upgrades do a job on my Peavey VMP-2? Should've mentioned that to begin with. Hope it's not too late to get some feedback on this question.

Thanks,

Alan
Old 11th August 2002
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Things to know about the D.W. Fearn VT-2:

It is not simply an "effects"-type pre-amp with no off switch. Things sound like what they sound like. Rich but real sound.

It is versatile, and surprisingly good with transients. Primo for vocals, and solo accoustic instruments from harps to drums.

It is "overbuilt" with beefy power supply and rolls royce ingrediants that all add up to top performance.

It is bulletproof and dependable. I understand that Doug Fearn (who makes himself available to customers) has replaced no more than a handfull of tubes in the many years he's built these things.

It is aesthetically beautiful.

It is sonically beautiful -- based on a 1950s RCA design minus the microphonics and noise.

No attempt to reverse engineer it has succeeded.

A no-holds-barred taste test comparing a number of mic pres for major artist recording project in NYC concluded by favoring the Fearn #1

-MattiMattMatt
Old 30th January 2007
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resurrecting this old one -

would you still rate the MDP1 as high as you did in 2002 in this thread?
Old 5th July 2011
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Quote:
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Hi Everyone. I think this is actually my first post to Gearslutz! Nice to see the same familiar "faces" from the other forums.

Actually, I'd put my old tube pres up against anything out there. The result? Different. RCA Ba-21's, Altec 458's, Langevins and say a BA6C all sound really funky and cool in their own way -like old guitar amps. For the most part they do not have that really crisp high end that everyone thinks they want but then complain about later when their digital tracks sound too shrill. They definitely give you a thick tubey middle. These units are one trick ponies so when you put something through them it either sounds great and suddenly your that cool hip guy with the esoteric gear or you just crash and burn.

I just recorded a female rock vocal with Mike and we initially put the girl through a BA6C using it as a mic pre and compressor on the way to Pro Tools. The mic was a Soundeluxe U99. We then tried a Langevin AM16 solid state pre moded for a more extended frequency response through a DBX 160. The differences were night and day but ultimately because the melody was quick and percussive we liked the bite of the AM16 over the big warm tubiness of the BA6C. Were it a slower song we'd have used the BA6C. Everything has it's purpose. Once you've got some standby's like a Neve or whatever then it's fun to go for the fringe.

Regards,

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Old 5th July 2011
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A-Designs MP 2A for real Tubvibe and the Phoenix DR2 for the best of 2 worlds, FET with Tubetouch
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