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3 mics to cover most vocals Condenser Microphones
Old 12th August 2008
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yeah we are building of scratch...we have sort of outgrown what we used and are stepping up and getting good top quality gear
Old 12th August 2008
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Obviously we sell this stuff...and have for 30 years. We have provided the gear for most commercial studios here in S Fla.

Get a API ...a John Hardy..Tube Tech comp...EL8...and the above mentioned mics. Start worrying about the music...the gear wont get in the way.

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Old 12th August 2008
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solidstate would a 1073 like clone work as well....like a Brent Everill 1073??
I've never tried the BAE 1073.. I suppose any good 'neve style' preamp would work.. BUT if you're spending that much money on a mic why don't you just buy the real deal??
Old 12th August 2008
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To cover all your bases you'd have a great setup if you went with:

Peluso 2247SE
Peluso P12
Peluso 22 251
BAE 1073 (as many channels as you need)

On top of that, make sure you have great conversion like the Lynx Aurora and a fantastic compressor like the DBX 160SL. Create that signal chain and it'll be hard not to get a great sound. In fact, that's my exact signal chain and I don't have too many disappointed clients.
To rowan: Don't listen this dude! It's a dealer and is recommendation is VERY biased!!

To Joshua: Man you should be less obvious..Don't try too hard to sell your stuff on the boardthumbsupheh

Besides, I've never seen a peluso in pro facility..
Old 12th August 2008
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come to think of it ive never seen them listed there either
Old 12th August 2008
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[QUOTE

Besides, I've never seen a peluso in pro facility..[/QUOTE]

true
Old 12th August 2008
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Please dont let anyone tell you the API 512 & C800G dont work well together
I use to have a 7600 actually.It sounded pretty good with the sure SM7b and u87.With the C800G is a different story.. ugly(almost harsh and very brittle) on both male and female vocal..Just my 2cents tho
Old 12th August 2008
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Do yourself a huge favor and check out Aurora Audio; do a search here, check out Aurora Audio . I cannot use too many superlatives to describe this gear and this company!
Old 12th August 2008
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Maybe the CL1B in the chain tempered the C800G's bite...but the engineer called me to say how great they worked together
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Do yourself a huge favor and check out Aurora Audio; do a search here, check out Aurora Audio . I cannot use too many superlatives to describe this gear and this company!
+1 Geoff is a great guy!

edit: The stereo compressor sounds awesome!! I'm almost temped to buy one:-)
Old 12th August 2008
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Maybe the CL1B in the chain tempered the C800G's bite...but the engineer called me to say how great they worked together
+1

C800G>1073>CL1B works great with a lot of singers.
Old 12th August 2008
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[QUOTE

Besides, I've never seen a peluso in pro facility..
true[/quote]

Guess Blackbird isn't considered a "pro facility" these days and neither is Chuck Ainlay's studio. Strange, someone should probably tell them that their Peluso's unqualify them to be "pros"?
Old 12th August 2008
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Bottom line: Peluso is 'prosumer' gear. Do they stand up to vintage Neumanns, AKGs or new Brauners or Bocks? Not even close, IMO.

Rowan, the most important thing to know is your budget. If the sky is the limit, and I had to choose three mics, it would be between these: Original Neumann U47, original AKG C12, original Neumann U67, original Neumann M49, Bock 251, Manley Gold Reference.

I'm leaving out original Telefunken 251s because they are cost prohibitive, and my experience with the clones is that I preferred the Bock to the T-USA. As far as the U47 clones, I have not heard one yet that surpassed my Neumann without a great deal of tweaking. I did get one to sound better than my Neumann, but I gutted it and replaced everything except for the tube and transformer.
Old 12th August 2008
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Bottom line: Peluso is 'prosumer' gear. Do they stand up to vintage Neumanns, AKGs or new Brauners or Bocks? Not even close, IMO.
Better tell that to Barry Rudolph who recently came out in the May issue of Mix to report that he tested the 2247SE up against a mint condition (virtually brand new museum quality Neumann U47) and found them to be virtually identical in sound.
Old 12th August 2008
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Better tell that to Barry Rudolph who recently came out in the May issue of Mix to report that he tested the 2247SE up against a mint condition (virtually brand new museum quality Neumann U47) and found them to be virtually identical in sound.
Okay. Stop. You're killing me now.

90ISH% OF MIX MAGAZINE REVIEWS says "We put XX up against an all-original XY and couldn't tell the difference!"

It's usually 10 pages before or after a half/full page, paid advertisement for XX.

I can almost guarantee that anyone who doesn't get paid to write glowing reviews for a magazine doing the same shootout would not make such an outrageous claim. Because it simply would not be the truth. If I had a U47 that sounded like a Peluso mic I'd be sending my mic out to get serviced.
Old 12th August 2008
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Okay. Stop. You're killing me now.

90ISH% OF MIX MAGAZINE REVIEWS says "We put XX up against an all-original XY and couldn't tell the difference!"

It's usually 10 pages before or after a half/full page, paid advertisement for XX.

I can almost guarantee that anyone who doesn't get paid to write glowing reviews for a magazine doing the same shootout would not make such an outrageous claim. Because it simply would not be the truth. If I had a U47 that sounded like a Peluso mic I'd be sending my mic out to get serviced.
I think I'm a bit more familiar with what actually went down with regards to this review. Also, take a look and educate yourself a bit. Peluso has NEVER run an ad in any magazine to date. This review took quite some time to put together because Barry wanted to find a mint condition, virtually brand new in the original box microphone. Once he was finally able to locate one and gain permission from the owner to perform the comparison, only then was he able to write the review.

I don't know who you are or what your background is, but I find it a bit hard to believe that you have actually done the comparison yourself. It's always a good idea to have actually heard the gear and know the background of how that gear is manufactured BEFORE making these sorts of comments. Chastising well known and respected engineers isn't the best way to gain respect in a forum such as this.

I'm done responding to you so please have fun posting whatever comments you wish.
Old 12th August 2008
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You might try checking out the Korby KAT 5 system for a vocal microphone. It's got 5 interchangeable heads that are tuned to vintage microphones out of Blackbird Studios closet here in Nashville. The capsules are tuned to sound like a U67, U47, 800G, C12, and 251. I know it's not "the real thing" but they all sound pretty darn close and it gives you 5 different flavors for about what you'd pay for an 800G by itself. I used to have a U87 Ai but I wasn't thrilled with it. Things just seemed to come up a little flat through it to my ears. I'd find an older U87 if you're set on getting one.

I've teamed it up with a Martech, a Brent Averill 1073, a Chandler Germanium, and an Avalon M5 with great results each time.

Compressor wise, i think your list sounds great - I have 2 distressors, an MC77, and a CL1B myself and couldn't be happier. Instead of an LA-2A I bought a Retro Instruments Sta-Level though. Either one is amazing, I just happen to like the flavor of the Sta-Level.
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I think I'm a bit more familiar with what actually went down with regards to this review. Also, take a look and educate yourself a bit. Peluso has NEVER run an ad in any magazine to date. This review took quite some time to put together because Barry wanted to find a mint condition, virtually brand new in the original box microphone. Once he was finally able to locate one and gain permission from the owner to perform the comparison, only then was he able to write the review.

I don't know who you are or what your background is, but I find it a bit hard to believe that you have actually done the comparison yourself. It's always a good idea to have actually heard the gear and know the background of how that gear is manufactured BEFORE making these sorts of comments. Chastising well known and respected engineers isn't the best way to gain respect in a forum such as this.

I'm done responding to you so please have fun posting whatever comments you wish.
I'm not disregarding what Barry Rudolph has done as an engineer. He manned the controls for some cool ****ing records. A lot of it is WAY cooler **** than I've been paid to do.

I'm no dummy. I have a moderate understanding as to how and why condenser microphones do what they do. I have used 2 different Peluso mics, roughly half a dozen great U47s, and roughly half a dozen not-so-great U47s. The great U47s had a way of making my dick stand up tall and proud when the air moved out of the monitors.

The Peluso mics didn't do that for me. On more than a couple occasions (there ARE Peluso mics in pro rooms, by the way). Once, one of those great U47s was in the same room as one of the Peluso mics. They did not sound virtually identical. I could blindly tell it was a different mic. BECAUSE IT IS!!!!!!!!

They sounded better than bad U47's, for whatever that's worth to you.

I've never heard a U47 "clone" sound exactly like a U47. That Wunder mic comes damn close. Still ain't the real deal. But it comes DAMN CLOSE.

I don't expect you to like what I say (even though it's my ACTUAL EXPERIENCES) because it doesn't play nicely with your bottom line. That's fine. Ignore me, I'll ignore you. We don't gel. And your Peluso mic is not a U47.
Old 12th August 2008
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Ehy you know what krittonian.. Tell me which mic can get you more customers: A vintage 47 or peluso 47 'limited edition'? A C800G or a peluso bottle?

By the way, isn't the P bottle supposed to mimic the sony..? I had a good laugh when i've compared them side to side heh

To rowan: If i were you i'd get some brand that have industry recognition, not some chinese copycat
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Old 13th August 2008
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Thiis is better than Days of Our Lives. Keep it coming boyz
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To rowan: If i were you i'd get some brand that have industry recognition, not some chinese copycat
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there's really no need to belittle Peluso owners like that(seems like you're getting some great joy out of it)...we can't all afford real U47's.
Old 13th August 2008
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If I could live in a perfect world and I had to choose three mics I would do this:

Vintage - 1. ELAM or C12, 2. U47 or U67, 3. FET47 or U87

Newer mics - a copy/clone of one of the above, or something remotely close in frequency curve (brighter tube mic, thicker tube mic, balanced sounding lower output FET).

I'd forget about the dynamic if I had one of the FETs, they do a better job for the same application IMO.
witch copy/clone would you recommend ?
Old 13th August 2008
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It would be sooooo cooooool if manufacturers left out the words 47, 12 and 251 out of their product line. Believe me, if it really sounded like a 47, people would buy it just for that reason alone.
But they dont sound like them, do they? And they wont.

3 mics, money no object:
Wagner U47
Neumann U67
AKG C12

You'll still want to have several 57's, 58's, 421's, KM84's and some nice ribbons.
good luck, by the way.
Old 13th August 2008
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which copy/clone would you recommend ?
All these brands sound different from each other, and some come closer to the 'original' than others. But it really doesn't matter to me if it sounds 'the same' as the original, if it sounds good and does a certain job. Telefunken USA, Peluso, CharterOak, Wunder, Korby, modern Neumann, and Bock/Soundelux all have their own pluses whether it be giving a lot for the money or for a lot great sound...for quite a lot of money. And you could still buy vintage if you are okay with maintanence and the mics possibly being more delicate than a new one.
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there's really no need to belittle Peluso owners like that(seems like you're getting some great joy out of it)...we can't all afford real U47's.
i agree with this. i think alot of the people who post stuff like that are 18 year olds sitting in their parents basement looking at porn and trashing gear that don't know jack sh#t about. i cann't imagine anyone with any since posting some of the immature post i see on here from time to time. this is not directed at anyone specificly in this thread but there are some questionable posts in here for sure. tutt
Old 13th August 2008
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we can't all afford real U47's.
But this is the high end forum heh
Old 13th August 2008
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But this is the high end forum heh
i can't tell if you're serious or not, your smileys confuse me heh

i know it's the high end forum. we're talking about high end stuff, cool. just saying there's no need to try to make people feel inferior if they can't afford what you can. there are varying levels of high end.
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Better tell that to Barry Rudolph who recently came out in the May issue of Mix to report that he tested the 2247SE up against a mint condition (virtually brand new museum quality Neumann U47) and found them to be virtually identical in sound.
I run into Barry every now and then, and I will tell him. First off, you can't find two real U47s that are identical. Secondly, if that's what he really heard, then his ears are broken.

FYI, of all the 47 clones I A/B'd, the only one that sounded ALMOST right was the Tele-USA one with the NOS VF14. And then when I gutted it and replaced everything but the tube and transformer to historic specs, it sounded like a real U47.

But why did it sound the closest? Neumann K47 capsule, VF14 tube and a BV8 transformer. You don't have those, you can't "sound nearly identical." It's a load of crap.
Old 13th August 2008
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Different strokes for different folks - you guys are killin me with the personal attacks.

Joshua - don't get sucked in by these haters. You contribute useful information on a regular, and you are upfront about your grind.

Peace love and hair grease
Old 13th August 2008
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