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Old 18th September 2010
  #91
I pretty much always use an SM or Beta 57. Sometimes, I tape a KM-184 around the body of either to have a little more variety.

The other thing I do (almost every time) is put lots of foam around most of my close drum mics to block out whatever else is around them. Another great use of foam is on floor toms, which tend to pickup a lot of ride cymbals.

Brad
Old 18th September 2010
  #92
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I've used a 408, it sounds good (as many EV dynamics do) and it's super useful for tight set-ups. I normally use an AT ATM23he which also positions well. Its like a mini ATM25.
i have not seen a ATM23, have to look for one.
the ATM25 never really did much for me but i have a couple.
Old 19th September 2010
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i have not seen a ATM23, have to look for one.
the ATM25 never really did much for me but i have a couple.
I think the ATM23he is discontinued too. They're really cool SD mics. That was the 'design goal' (though I'd guess they were really trying to take some of the 57 market).
Old 19th September 2010
  #94
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i will have to look for a used one.
i do that a lot: )~
Old 19th September 2010
  #95
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i will have to look for a used one.
i do that a lot: )~
It's your love of used EV dynamics that got me on a kick...
Old 19th September 2010
  #96
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i love dynamic mics they rock: )~
and i love old EV's that is for sure!
hope you are finding some cool ones, i picked up three more RE16's last month.
still need to get them re-foamed and cleaned but in time: )~
Old 19th September 2010
  #97
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I recently went *back* to using a Sennheiser MD441. This is such a great mic. I have generally been micing the shell....like an inch from the shell, sometimes facing right into the hole inside the logo. I've also had some great results with an Earthworks QTC1 in the same position.
Benjy
I'd expect you to get a nasty blast of air into the mic with each snare hit when pointing it at the vent. Does this really work?
Old 19th September 2010
  #98
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i love dynamic mics they rock: )~
and i love old EV's that is for sure!
hope you are finding some cool ones, i picked up three more RE16's last month.
still need to get them re-foamed and cleaned but in time: )~
I've got a whole gaggle of 'em. Re10 (2) 635a(3), PL11, PL15(I think), plus a pair of the N/D408s. I need to get more Beyer dynamics....and more AKG dynamics too.
Old 19th September 2010
  #99
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I own an SM57 and an i5, but I love my EV N/D 308 or 408 on a snare most of the time.
Old 19th September 2010
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Do you guys favor DYNAMICS or CONDENSERS on snare bottom?????

Lately I've been doing condensers for a really nice and big swaaaaappp sound, but the down side is the kick drum also activates the snares in the recording when the kick hits.... and you can't really gate them out for a player who hits ghost notes.

The dynamic is great too, but not as sensitive.
Old 21st September 2010
  #101
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Do you guys favor DYNAMICS or CONDENSERS on snare bottom?????

Lately I've been doing condensers for a really nice and big swaaaaappp sound, but the down side is the kick drum also activates the snares in the recording when the kick hits.... and you can't really gate them out for a player who hits ghost notes.

The dynamic is great too, but not as sensitive.
If you use the top snare mic as the key input, you should be able to gate out snare rattle in the bottom mic caused by kick drum.
Old 18th October 2010
  #102
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An older sage studio owner Peter Rackham once said to me, "If you get a lot of spill from the hihat - chose a mic for the snare that at least makes that spill sound nice" - he was making reference to the hihat spill sound you can get on an Sm57 - he hated it!

I always though this was a cool viewpoint.

The SM7B is good in this regard.
Placement usually involves comprimise in the angle.
Reading thru this old thread, I may try picking up a beyer m201...seems to be a crowd favorite.
Old 18th October 2010
  #103
Re: snare mic

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but the down side is the kick drum also activates the snares in the recording when the kick hits.... and you can't really gate them out for a player who hits ghost notes.
A combo of gates and ducking works for me.

Duck for the ghost notes. Gate forbthe snare.

Too much popping from the action of the gates & ducking?

Say it's taking the gate .12 ms to react to the signal, resulting in small pop from snare.

Duplicate snare track and move it back .12 ms and key gates from this track.

Clean gating!

Oh yea! I use a sm7b with a 451or km84 taped to it on top and a 57 and green bullet below.
Old 1st November 2010
  #104
I think I mentioned this comparison in this thread but figured people would be interested even if not. A chance to hear 16 mics on snare drum side by side.



For more info about downloading: 3D Snare Mic Comparison
Old 1st November 2010
  #105
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I've posted here before, but I'm going through phases in this matter...

Lately, I've been using the revox 3500 a lot (Beyer 201 minus the transformer), and I really like the clang and articulation it gives me.
But I sorely miss the meaty "bosh!" I get from a modded 57, which, OTOH, doesn't give me those cool overtones...

I wonder if an original 201 (w/tranny) might give me the girth I'm missing.

The 441 is the closest yet to that ideal combination, but almost too balanced, not nasty enough for my current tastes.
Old 15th November 2010
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sm57 and 451 taped together on top. sm57 bottom and/or 414/4050 on fig8 between kick's beater head and snare bottom.
I thought I was the only one who used a figure 8 mic to pick up the beater and the snare!
Old 17th November 2010
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this week the Josephson C42 in conjunction with an SM57, both on top

is killing!
Old 18th November 2010
  #108
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Do you guys favor DYNAMICS or CONDENSERS on snare bottom?????

Lately I've been doing condensers for a really nice and big swaaaaappp sound, but the down side is the kick drum also activates the snares in the recording when the kick hits.... and you can't really gate them out for a player who hits ghost notes.

The dynamic is great too, but not as sensitive.
I've never had any success using a bottom snare mic, but I haven't tried in 12 or so years, maybe more. I usually get a really great snare sound so I don't worry about it. I have a couple times had mix projects with bottom snare mics. One a studio project, and I used the bottom mic on one song because I was able to add some presence and help the snare cut. The other was a live recording and the top mic sounded TERRIBLE, but the bottom actually resembled a snare drum, so it got used. Both times I didn't love the sound, but they did help the mix.
Old 18th November 2010
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I've been using an e609 lately.
Old 18th November 2010
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My last session we used a 57/ D112 combo. Lots of attack from the 57, and lots of girth from the D112.
Old 18th November 2010
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I think I mentioned this comparison in this thread but figured people would be interested even if not. A chance to hear 16 mics on snare drum side by side.



For more info about downloading: 3D Snare Mic Comparison
I think we should all start mic'ing the snare like this.
Old 18th November 2010
  #112
shure ksm141 on practically every session. occassionally try something else and always miss it. Used a Stedman N90 for years. It's great but too difficult to place. prefered it to the KSM141 in fact.
Old 18th November 2010
  #113
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I think we should all start mic'ing the snare like this.
I MIC EVERY drum like this! sure it makes it really, really hard for the drummer but man, oh, man do I have options come mix time
Old 18th November 2010
  #114
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I MIC EVERY drum like this! ...
Prove it !

hehheh
Old 18th November 2010
  #115
Personally I hate an snare bottom mic, t's such an ugly ratty sound, the shell works much nicer
Old 12th January 2011
  #116
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I have been using a 57 forever and still do, 90 percent of the time now I go for the Beta 98, love that mic, kicks ass on snare.
Old 12th January 2011
  #117
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I have been using a 57 forever and still do, 90 percent of the time now I go for the Beta 98, love that mic, kicks ass on snare.
too bad it has no pad or filter.

what made you switch?

can you describe the sound?
Old 12th January 2011
  #118
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I think I mentioned this comparison in this thread but figured people would be interested even if not.
There is a huge problem with this comparison - it does not include a Josephson e22s!

After trying quite a few other alternatives, I finally broke down a spend the $'s on one recently, and finally have a mic that I transduces a snare in a way that I like.
Old 12th January 2011
  #119
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AKG 460 w CK1 on top and <SNIP>
+1
Except for me I add a Beta-57 on bottom. But yes, the
460 with the CK1 capsule (and ring adapter necessary to make it fit) is absolutely fantastic on top. I have gone down the same route as many of you...
SM57 because it was the default
Beta 57 on top, because of superior hat rejection, a little more clarity and the 3db boost. But just too much low-mid, and like a previous caller said, I like that scoop around 500 hertz also.
SM98, because it was small and crisp and I could get it wherever I wanted it. But it just doesn't have enough body
Yamaha 205be on a piccolo or bass snare because it tames the overtones, well it's so dull it equals out is more like it...still like it for 13" brass piccolo snare
441 Nice, close to the 460/ck1 combo but most drummers have their kits so tight that it's hard to get it where I want it.
421 Nice full sound, but too big to be practical.

However, if I'm recording snare on it's own, as an overdub or just a snare track... believe it or not until you've tried it, an old CAD Equitek II(?) 300(?) about 2' above the snare angled about 45% pointed at the dead center of the top is just extraordinary.

Everyone's mileage will vary!

Ward
Old 12th January 2011
  #120
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I like my old 60 and 70s Beyers, but recently I've been using Naiant's little dynamic mic for a real punch. It pairs up well with a 414XLS for snare bottom.
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