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New Event Opal Monitors - not your regular speakers
Old 3rd April 2019
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You can buy my pair on the classifieds.
Not used a lot.
Never had any problem.
Works 100%
Everything is provided

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Old 4th April 2019
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OK Fleaman, you win.

It's all "rumor and conjecture", straight from the horse's mouth.
Old 5th April 2019
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OK Fleaman, you win.
Good. We’re done.
If Sweetwater and the like start carrying Opals or other Event speakers again, I’ll be sure to come back to this thread and give you props.
Old 5th April 2019
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I'll be sure to tell Rode next time I call that unless a run is sold by "Sweetwater and the like", and even better, is reported here on GearSlutz, it didn't happen and was merely "rumor and conjecture".

Seriously 'though, I understand the sentiment you and Fleaman share. I wouldn't know how to go about acquiring a new set myself other than to ask... no... beg Rode to let me in on who's to receive its next run. It must be terribly-frustrating to anyone who's hankering for a set.
Old 5th April 2019
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If you want to contact Rode/Event service.....maybe this will help.

[email protected] +61 2 9648 5855.

If you're in the US and need parts,

Another note from Rode/Event on the West Coast of the US from an email between me and them about 2020BAS parts.

"With the 2020BAS we still have parts available to get them up and running, they will need to be sent to Saul in California (see below contact). He can assess them and we can then send him the parts required."

Service Manager USA
RØDE Microphones / Event Electronics / Aphex / Soundfield
2745 N Raymond Ave
Signal Hill CA 90755
Ph: +1 562 364 7400
Fax:+1 888 412 4664

Regards,

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Old 5th April 2019
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If you want to contact Rode/Event service.....maybe this will help.

[email protected] +61 2 9648 5855.

If you're in the US and need parts,

Another note from Rode/Event on the West Coast of the US from an email between me and them about 2020BAS parts.

"With the 2020BAS we still have parts available to get them up and running, they will need to be sent to Saul in California (see below contact). He can assess them and we can then send him the parts required."

Service Manager USA
RØDE Microphones / Event Electronics / Aphex / Soundfield
2745 N Raymond Ave
Signal Hill CA 90755
Ph: +1 562 364 7400
Fax:+1 888 412 4664

Regards,

Ty Ford
Sweetwater arranged a repair of my Opal through Saul recently, but it was clear that they did not have any stock of new drivers (which were not damaged in my Opal) and had limited stock of some components. They demonstrated the ability to do quick and competent repair, and to test an Opal for factory performance.
I didn’t want to drop a name without confirming that my repair was not a one-off negotiated with Sweetwater, but since Ty mentioned Saul at Rode, I will confirm that the correct cat is out of the bag.
Old 5th April 2019
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This is hilarious.

Ends up I just called Aphex about a tight pot on an 1100 preamp, forgetting that they are owned by Rode and.......talked to Saul!

Small world after all...

Regards,

Ty Ford
Old 22nd April 2019
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Thanks for your first post on GearSlutz.

There are many things that may cause a monitor to exhibit more low frequencies, including how you have the tone controls adjusted and where the monitor is placed in a room. So far I don't think many (if any) people have had a problem with too much bass. Please tell us more.

Regards,

Ty Ford
Old 22nd April 2019
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Unfortunately Mr new poster seems to be a spammer ---I've reported the post
Old 22nd April 2019
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Unfortunately Mr new poster seems to be a spammer ---I've reported the post
other than grammar and syntax, how could you tell?
Old 22nd April 2019
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other than grammar and syntax, how could you tell?
GS already deleted the post, but there was a link at the end of his post that said 'BUY GOLD BARS' --and that link directed you to a site that sold gold related material...
Old 22nd April 2019
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Yikes!

Well, the spammer was in-the-ballpark 'cause the Opals are pure gold.
Old 23rd April 2019
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Yikes!

Well, the spammer was in-the-ballpark 'cause the Opals are pure gold.
I wonder how many readers thought of posting something similar. That was a slow, straight fastball over the center of the plate.
I think you squared it up more than I would have.
Old 16th July 2019
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Dear fellow audio lovers,

this is my first post on this forum and I came here because I'm seriously thinking about getting a Pair of the beloved Opals.
I just noticed a strange thing and that is that there is cosmetically 3 different versions to found online through looking at the tweeter.
Also some have a protective cover on the heat sink and others don't.. (I don't care too much about that though)

So I am wondering how much revisions of this speaker exist and why there is no transparency at this price range.

I also found these differences in the high frequency transducer specs of two documents available on http://www.eventelectronics.com/support.php

The Data Sheet states that there is a Beryllium Copper dome with a Neodymium magnet:
https://i.imgur.com/wSVoDdK.png
Source: http://www.eventelectronics.com/down.../datasheet.pdf

And the User Manual states that there is Anodized Aluminium Magnesium dome with a Ferrite magnet:
https://i.imgur.com/aj2fz2E.png
Source: http://www.eventelectronics.com/down...ser_manual.pdf

After reading through the internet it seems that the Beryllium Copper dome was from the initial release which is stated in posts shortly after they came out:
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/event-opal
https://www.mixonline.com/technology...onitors-370337

Here the three different Tweeters:

Gold colored tweeter with diffuser (Apparently from the initial release):
https://i.imgur.com/rWvyY2R.png

Gold colored tweeter
https://i.imgur.com/esByn6Q.png

Silver colored tweeter
https://i.imgur.com/ETCce6K.png

Can someone please tell me what's going on here and which variant sounds best?

Thank you and greetings from Vienna!
Old 16th July 2019
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The Beryllium Copper tweeter (or it's parts) was manufactured in a plant that was destroyed or abandoned after the Fukushima disaster.

For whatever reason, Event could not duplicate that design elsewhere and instead redesigned to the Aluminium Magnesium version.

I've not heard the different versions (I have the Beryllium version), but remember reading the some (or one?) users did not notice much (if any) audible differences from the Beryllium to Aluminium version (I think they had a switch via warranty replacement).

Maybe others here can be more detailed than that...
Old 16th July 2019
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FLEA, great anecdotal info on Fukushima!

n0tu, the saga continues. You've certainly done your homework!


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Old 16th July 2019
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Yea Flea, I also saw that somewhere online but couldn’t find any hard evidence or source to back up that quite extraordinary claim about Fukushima. Here the first time I found it being mentioned anywhere: New Event Opal Monitors - not your regular speakers

Here another comment, but from Event (Rode) themselves on that topic: New Event Opal Monitors - not your regular speakers following an interesting comments from user FocalPro:
New Event Opal Monitors - not your regular speakers
New Event Opal Monitors - not your regular speakers

@Ty Thanks I tried my best at those late hours but since I never really actively wrote on forums in my life, I already almost finished the initial post, did something else, reopened my browser for some reason and lost all the text and I had to rewrite my “case” while it was getting quite late in Europe. So I was still missing a some bits of research.

That’s why I did some deeper digging and, through anecdotal accounts (mostly on Gearslutz), put together some plausible theories about what’s going on and further potential issues with the initial Opals:

- There was apparently a problem with the internal limiter that it activated “too early” but I don’t think it will be too much of a problem because I work & listen at normal conversation levels.
- Also it was said that the Beryllium tweeter blew quite often/early and had to be replaced. That also doesn’t really concern me as I’m considering to buy a well “burnt-in” pair which is approx. 5 years old and apparently never had problems in that regard.
- I don’t know how I didn’t notice but there also has been a change on the woofer but it seems to only be a cosmetic change of the surround of the membrane.
- Some models had a voltage selector whilst others are factory fixed (can’t really tell which is newer)
- Some have a three pin IEC, some two pin with the earth removed to prevent ground loop issues (again, it’s not known which is newer)

Another thing is that they kind of seem to be discontinued as to seen on Sweetwater: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...studio-monitor

A little bonus conspiracy theory: In the following video from 2009 you can firstly see the initial version but at 0:19 they show the one with the aluminium tweeter, what the hell is going on?!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=124xJatbz-s

I also found this Thread which is only about this topic in general but not a lot of conclusive information: Event Opals - does anyone know anything about the different versions/revisions?
Old 16th July 2019
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Mate, IMHO, if there were any real-world-use differences in the behaviour and tonal qualities of the various builds, Rode / Event would have stated so, if by no other way than the frequency-response spec's in the manual.

The reason you hear the question as to what differences there are "so much" is, IMHO, because there aren't any. If there were obvious differences, we'd all have known about them years ago.

Further to this, Rode would've been shooting itself in the foot if it couldn't have found a way to utilise alternative elements / compounds / physical designs (such as the woofer surround) without compromising the behavioural and tonal consistencies of the product throughout its lifespan. After all, it's only ever been one model, not the MkII, MkIII and so on.

Just MHO based on logic. So bottom line according to this line of reasoning would be that if there were any differences, which scientifically-speaking there obviously would be, they must be negligible and not relevant in the "real world". On a test bench hooked up to specialised measuring equipment, of course there'd be differences, just as they'd exist between any two units, even from the same batch, but again, in the real world? I wouldn't give it a second thought.
Old 16th July 2019
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Yea Monkey, after getting my head burning looking at so much posts, I just thought exactly the same thing and imma buy them and be happy!
I listened to a pair at a local shop and I am completely astounded about the sound! Thanks for your input though as it makes me more sure about what to do!
Old 16th July 2019
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- There was apparently a problem with the internal limiter that it activated “too early” but I don’t think it will be too much of a problem because I work & listen at normal conversation levels.

- I don’t know how I didn’t notice but there also has been a change on the woofer but it seems to only be a cosmetic change of the surround of the membrane.
Above was from the very early version...probably just the first year only. Can't remember exactly, but I thought these were addressed within maybe the first 6-9 months of production, so there will be very few of them out there.

In fact, I think the woofer surround cosmetic change never even made it to retail, it was changed before mass production, but they still had press pics of the old design being used/shared, etc. And/or press Opals used for magazine reviews, etc.

Also, it would have been on the Beryllium only version...so any OEM aluminum tweeted Opals would not be affected of course.

Now, there were Beryllium versions that had the fixed limiter of course (I have a pair), but there aren't many out there compared to the Alum versions (I think?).

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- Also it was said that the Beryllium tweeter blew quite often/early and had to be replaced. That also doesn’t really concern me as I’m considering to buy a well “burnt-in” pair which is approx. 5 years old and apparently never had problems in that regard.
Hmmm....I don't remember it being such a systemic issue, though there were some who had blown the tweeter.
Old 17th July 2019
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I have a very early pair. No problems with the beryllium tweeters.

The system seems averse to allowing me to post attachments, so I can't show you pix.

Regards,

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Old 17th July 2019
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Yea Monkey, after getting my head burning looking at so much posts, I just thought exactly the same thing and imma buy them and be happy!
Oh, you'll be happy alright, mate.

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I listened to a pair at a local shop and I am completely astounded about the sound! Thanks for your input though as it makes me more sure about what to do!
Hey, all I was trying to do was be logical. It's easy to get caught up in minutia, especially these days, but as I suggested, if there were any significant differences between monitors that use differing elements and compounds, it'd reflect badly on the manufacturer and we'd also have seen endless whining about it here at GS for sure.

Happy to have helped, man, and excited for you. Be sure to let us know how they sound in your room, eh?
Old 17th July 2019
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Can someone please tell me what's going on here and which variant sounds best?

Thank you and greetings from Vienna!

I've owned beryllium and the latest model.

Although some people have had great success with the beryllium version, I had lots of problems with mine, so I returned them and got the newer version.

Which one sounds best? I'm not entirely sure, since my beryllium ones had issues. However, I'm pretty sure the tweeters were functioning properly.

Supposedly there were several manufacturing issues that were ironed out over time.

Honestly, I'm very happy with my late gen ones and would rule the tweeter differences negligible, or maybe non-existent, but then again, I did not compare them side by side. I only got my new pair months later, but from memory, that's my take, and I'm very happy with my speakers. They make me drool (sorry, TMI!).

My honest opinion is that you should forget any OCD tendencies (I have it too lol) and go with a newer, supposedly more reliable pair. They still give me what I need and I love them.

If you are too OCD and simply can't get over the possibility of there being differences, the only way you'll be happy is if you buy both and sell the pair you don't like. The difference is probably minimal and there is no way to tell which one you'll prefer.

Opals are already a polarizing speaker. Some love them and some hate them. However, monitors are a very personal choice. These are the ones for me and they pair up nicely with something like NS10's. To me, they do everything the NS10's don't, quite magically. I haven't quite found other monitors that do it for me like these do.
If you get them and hate them, something similar to try out are JBL708p's or Neumann Kh310's.

Good luck!
Old 17th July 2019
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... and some hate them.
Never been able to get my head around this, Christian.

Blows my mind, really.
Old 17th July 2019
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Although some people have had great success with the beryllium version, I had lots of problems with mine, so I returned them and got the newer version.
What were the reasons you got the newer version, respectively, what were the exact problems?

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Honestly, I'm very happy with my late gen ones and would rule the tweeter differences negligible, or maybe non-existent, but then again, I did not compare them side by side. I only got my new pair months later, but from memory, that's my take, and I'm very happy with my speakers. They make me drool (sorry, TMI!).
Yea, probably there is a minimal difference in sound.

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My honest opinion is that you should forget any OCD tendencies (I have it too lol) and go with a newer, supposedly more reliable pair. They still give me what I need and I love them.
The thing is that I would get a used pair for around 1.5k €

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If you are too OCD and simply can't get over the possibility of there being differences, the only way you'll be happy is if you buy both and sell the pair you don't like. The difference is probably minimal and there is no way to tell which one you'll prefer.
I am quite OCD but I will probably get that bargain this weekend and if I have problems or just don't like the sound, I can probably sell them for more in my town and maybe get the new ones. I can also probably compare by just taking one to my local store and A/B them in mono, there they have a quite new pair, if not even the newest version.

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Opals are already a polarizing speaker. Some love them and some hate them. However, monitors are a very personal choice. These are the ones for me and they pair up nicely with something like NS10's. To me, they do everything the NS10's don't, quite magically. I haven't quite found other monitors that do it for me like these do.
Which exact Model of the NS-10's do you have? On my way to the Opal's an offer popped up for the NS-10 PRO's at also quite a bargain price. I'm probably also getting those
Old 17th July 2019
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Happy to have helped, man, and excited for you. Be sure to let us know how they sound in your room, eh?
Ay Ay Mate!
Old 20th July 2019
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What were the reasons you got the newer version, respectively, what were the exact problems?
My problems seemed to be mainly in the low end. The low end was anemic for some reason, even though these speakers have been said to have deep bass. My replacements have much deeper but still tight bass. If you want to shake a room, you might still want a sub, but if your concern is not to shake a room and actually hear the bass and not the room rattling, these are great. For the going used prices, I'm not sure anything else touches them.

I never got to the bottom of the specific issue. For all I know, the low end drivers were wired backwards, but it could have been something else. I returned them to Guitar Center and told me to call them and I'd buy them again if they were fixed. The problem is, as soon as the store took them back from the repair shop and entered it into their system, they were sold online to another customer even though I had waited a couple months or whatever for them.

However, from what I understand, some people have had problems with the amps and/or crossovers in some of the earlier revisions. It could have even been on a per batch basis or whatever. I can't tell you specifically, but at this point, many years later, if the mobtiors are operating properly, it's probably a non issue. However, this is an issue if you are buying the monitors sight unseen on the net. If the problems are just a rattle, sure they can be blown, but people have had issues with a ribbon cable becoming disconnected IIRC.


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Which exact Model of the NS-10's do you have? On my way to the Opal's an offer popped up for the NS-10 PRO's at also quite a bargain price. I'm probably also getting those
I have NS10MX's. They're pretty rare. Don't ask me how they compare to studios or regular ones. The last time I had used NS10's before these was well over 15 years prior to using this pair. Well.. Maybe less than that, but I wasn't paying attention.

Basically, it's supposed to have the quality of an NS10 studio, but is a much more recent model, so they tend to be in better shape than older models. However, they don't have tweeter covers and are aesthetically designed to be in a vertical position. I also believe the have magnetic shielding, but I'm not certain. That mainly matters if you're still using CRT monitors or anything sensitive to magnets though.
The tweeters could conceivably sound different, but who knows. One day I might shoot them out with someone else's pair, but I don't have any friends near me with NS10's. My closest friend that has a pair is 5 hours away.

They've been described as the "more pristine" version of NS10's, but maybe that's just internet talk. The main plus is probably that they're newer and therfore in better condition / more reliable. I wouldn't really worry about that. Get what you can, in the best condition you can, that operates properly and you should be good.

Then again, some people have switched their NS10's to Amphions, so that's a whole other rabbit hole to go down!

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Old 20th July 2019
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My problems seemed to be mainly in the low end. The low end was anemic for so
I have to believe that was either a room problem or you're doing some industrial music with incredibly low bass; like DC to 20 Hz.

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Old 20th July 2019
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My problems seemed to be mainly in the low end. The low end was anemic for some reason, even though these speakers have been said to have deep bass. My replacements have much deeper but still tight bass. If you want to shake a room, you might still want a sub, but if your concern is not to shake a room and actually hear the bass and not the room rattling, these are great. For the going used prices, I'm not sure anything else touches them.

I never got to the bottom of the specific issue. For all I know, the low end drivers were wired backwards, but it could have been something else. I returned them to Guitar Center and told me to call them and I'd buy them again if they were fixed. The problem is, as soon as the store took them back from the repair shop and entered it into their system, they were sold online to another customer even though I had waited a couple months or whatever for them.

However, from what I understand, some people have had problems with the amps and/or crossovers in some of the earlier revisions. It could have even been on a per batch basis or whatever. I can't tell you specifically, but at this point, many years later, if the mobtiors are operating properly, it's probably a non issue. However, this is an issue if you are buying the monitors sight unseen on the net. If the problems are just a rattle, sure they can be blown, but people have had issues with a ribbon cable becoming disconnected IIRC.
Thanks, I'll keep an eye out for these issues!

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Basically, it's supposed to have the quality of an NS10 studio, but is a much more recent model, so they tend to be in better shape than older models. However, they don't have tweeter covers and are aesthetically designed to be in a vertical position. I also believe the have magnetic shielding, but I'm not certain. That mainly matters if you're still using CRT monitors or anything sensitive to magnets though.
The PRO's have the same orientation with holes for the front covers but aren't magnetically shielded like yours (according to http://ns-10m.com/NS-10MX.html) And I'm defiantly not using CRT's

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The tweeters could conceivably sound different, but who knows. One day I might shoot them out with someone else's pair, but I don't have any friends near me with NS10's. My closest friend that has a pair is 5 hours away.
Would be interesting to know, tell me if you'll have a shootout!

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They've been described as the "more pristine" version of NS10's, but maybe that's just internet talk.
Probably

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The main plus is probably that they're newer and therfore in better condition / more reliable. I wouldn't really worry about that. Get what you can, in the best condition you can, that operates properly and you should be good. ????
Why the question marks? Yea they seem to be in a quite good condition, there is just a bit of glue showing just beside the seam of one.

Here are all the pictures: https://imgur.com/a/VJeOIPY

According to http://ns-10m.com your model was produced around 1993. This Website also states that there is actually 6 different Models released around four different years. (http://ns-10m.com/charts/ns-10m-spec...son-chart.html) I didn't find more Info on those speakers as on this Website and the information seems quite sophisticated.

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Then again, some people have switched their NS10's to Amphions, so that's a whole other rabbit hole to go down!
haha yea maybe when I get some NS10's and I'm
Old 20th July 2019
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According to http://ns-10m.com your model was produced around 1993. This Website also states that there is actually 6 different Models released around four different years. (http://ns-10m.com/charts/ns-10m-spec...son-chart.html) I didn't find more Info on those speakers as on this Website and the information seems quite sophisticated.
I bought my NS-10M STUDIO's new from a pro audio store in 1992. So the Studio models can be a fairly new'ish one also...
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