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DAV BG-1U–clean enough for ribbons? Ribbon Microphones
Old 1st April 2008
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DAV BG-1U–clean enough for ribbons?

I get a very good vibe about the DAV BG preamp in this forum, but before going that route I need to ask if its 66dB of gain is clean enough for low output mics like an R84 or TC40k. Seems like it would be killer on acoustic sources with higher output condensors, but is anybody putting it to the test with these "wimpier" mics? Even my hi-gain Grace 101 is barely quiet enough for the R84 with certain singers. The AEA TRP looks like a viable option, but obviously I'd prefer something a little more versatile if possible, and Gordon and NPNG are unfortunately a wee bit out of my price range.
Old 1st April 2008
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Interested too.
I still need a clean/transparant pre.
Consider to buy the HV-3C or DACS clarity preamp.
The last mentioned has got a sperate input for ribbon mics.
Heard it on the Messe and was quite impressed.
So if there are more good and payable options the better for me.

Greetz,


Paul
Old 1st April 2008
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No probs with this - the BG1 has a very hot output.
Old 1st April 2008
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great with beyerdynamic ribbons!
Old 1st April 2008
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I have a Dav BG2 and found it way too noisy for the high gain settings I needed with ribbons on delicate acoustic material.

As a matter of fact, a Behringer Eurodesk pre proved not that much noisier (A/B blindtest, same gain and matched levels). * flame suit on *

Maybe I should give the Gordon a try?
Old 1st April 2008
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The BG No. 1 and No. 2 have no problems amping our R84 here.

Endorsed with no reservations, no hesitations, no hallucinations or any other "-ations."

The d.a.v. electronics Broadhurst Gardens No. 1 is the best mic amp in the world. (sm)
Old 1st April 2008
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The BG No. 1 and No. 2 have no problems amping our R84 here.

Endorsed with no reservations, no hesitations, no hallucinations or any other "-ations."

The d.a.v. electronics Broadhurst Gardens No. 1 is the best mic amp in the world. (sm)
Ah, Plush, I was waiting for you to chime in here! So you're happy with the noise level of the BG even full out, in comparison to other pre's you might turn to when lots of gain is needed?
Old 1st April 2008
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Originally Posted by anseo View Post
I have a Dav BG2 and found it way too noisy for the high gain settings I needed with ribbons on delicate acoustic material.

As a matter of fact, a Behringer Eurodesk pre proved not that much noisier (A/B blindtest, same gain and matched levels). * flame suit on *

Maybe I should give the Gordon a try?
I love blind testings. Sometimes I have preferred my ADA8000 over Great River... heh

with my DAV BG1, which has less gain than BG2, and I have never had any noise problems (my two gain eaters are Fathead and SM7).
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I am a believer. In fact, I am selling most if not all of my other pres. I am using DAV for everything now. It allows less of everything, less eq or none, less compression usually none etc.
Just out of curiosity, what other pres are you dumping to go all DAV?
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I am a believer. In fact, I am selling most if not all of my other pres. I am using DAV for everything now. It allows less of everything, less eq or none, less compression usually none etc.
Well I just bought RND 5012.. let's see how well it works with my DAV.
Old 2nd April 2008
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Ribbons and Bows

Dear friends,

Remember you're dealing with 24 bit depth! Why these fretful questions about levels?

Not that it's a question with the DAV, as we've heard from its owners.
Old 2nd April 2008
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That's quite an impressive endorsement!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flute player View Post
Interested too.
I still need a clean/transparant pre.
Consider to buy the HV-3C or DACS clarity preamp.
The last mentioned has got a sperate input for ribbon mics.
Heard it on the Messe and was quite impressed.
So if there are more good and payable options the better for me.

Greetz,


Paul
Hi Paul

The Lavry Blue MicPre's are also worth a listen especially if your looking for a really open, and transparent sound. They have a switch on the front that changes the load optimization of the input for Ribbon, Condenser or, Dynamic mics.

Old 2nd April 2008
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What are you recording with the DAV?

Genres? Instruments?

Would it be too clean for Rock?

Have you tried it on drums?

Thx
Old 2nd April 2008
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I've used my DAV on just about everything. Never disappoints. Obviously it won't sound like a neve, API, or whatever, but everything always sounds very good. Never had issues with noise at all. If your mic is noisy or the room is noisy, you'll hear it, but the pres are quite quiet in my experience...

Mike
Old 2nd April 2008
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Read somewhere you have gefell mics. Am I right?

How would they pair with M930 and UM70s.

I think Dav is rather dark sounding.

8 Davs vs 4 Apis: Nearly same price.

Hmmmm??????
Old 2nd April 2008
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Allows for less EQ or none and less compression or none at the tracking and mixing stage.
I don't understand what you mean here (especially regarding compression). You mentioned this in another thread, and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.

Old 2nd April 2008
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I have 2 Gefell m200s and an MT71. Nothing but great sounds from those mics and my DAVs. Everything is very smooth and professional sounding. I'm a big fan of those combinations.
Old 2nd April 2008
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The same day I purchased my DAV BG-1, David Gilmour purchased 48 of them
for his On an Island Tour

I would equate the sound to as clean and pure as arctic air.
Old 3rd April 2008
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I have the Dav BG1u and a Crowley and Tripp naked eye ribbon..
I find the Dav a little noisy with the ribbon mic, even though they came bundled together in a deal from KMR..
Whenever I use the ribbon, I tend to use my Api pre..

The Dav is wonderful tho... I find it a little 'sugary' not sweet like the neve, or dark particularly.. but definately clean and open, with a hint of sugary warmth if that makes sense.

I find it a little slow on fast transient stuff compared to Api.. But it's a lovely pre.. I like it on Piano and acoustic stuff like melodicas etc.. I never really record much else tho..

Lovely pre tho.. plus it's like 500 quid for 2 channels! It's worth twice the price.. more than that even imo
Old 4th April 2008
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UM70s.
very nice combination

Quote:
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I think Dav is rather dark sounding.
no. smooth and balanced. not 100% neutral, more like 90%.
Old 4th April 2008
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DAV for price is unbeatable.
Gordon for sound is unbeatable.
Although DAV represents extremely great value, Gordon is BIG step forward for those who appreciate clean, neutral, but by no means sterile or lifeless preamps.
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