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Old 15th February 2008
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Vintage Philips Consoles

Hi!
People know something about this console here?
It seems to be Philips ldc 15 year 1974 fully discrete rupert neve collaboration
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Old 15th February 2008
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the channel strip
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Old 16th February 2008
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Looks great & looks like a lot of work to maintain.
Old 16th February 2008
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the channel strip
Hi do jou wanna sel this console i'm verry intrested..
Old 16th February 2008
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I had some strips once. Still have documents.
Decent stuff!
Old 20th February 2008
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nobody know more about this?
Old 20th February 2008
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that doesnt help a lot, but we are selling our phillips channels from a phillips SM7 console. I have pictures.. I expect, that this console was built around 1980.

see the HAUFE transformers.. expensive ****..
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Old 20th February 2008
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Hi!
People know something about this console here?
Philips ldc 15 year 1974 fully discrete rupert neve collaboration
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Do you have any documents relating to that collaboration? He was still at Neve in 1974 and I don't recall any such deals mentioned in the company gossip back then.... especially as the company was taken over by Bonochord the year before.

Old 21st February 2008
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Geoff, do you have any information about phillips consoles? there is practically nothing on the net.
Old 21st February 2008
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Geoff, do you have any information about phillips consoles? there is practically nothing on the net.
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No sorry... years ago I walked around the Pye factory in Coldhams Lane, Cambridge and saw the Pye consoles and modules but I don't think that there was a connection with Philips.

Old 21st February 2008
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Rupert Neve designed and built in 1964 "the world’s first commercial transistor-based mixing console for Philips Recording Studio in London." (ams neve website)
For what i've been told by a deutsh Tech, Neve colaborated with Philips to derivate the MM2 (for modular mixer) series from the first console, and then Philips integrated the whole channel modules in one for a broadcast version, the LDC serie.

this tech told me that he had the MM2 and many LDC to maintain and that the schematics are almost the same, minus the interstage Xformers.
i never had the occasion to have a look at these diagram to confirm this or not, but i would be very curious to know what is true in this story.
so if anyone have informations about this he's welcome !!
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Rupert Neve designed and built in 1964 "the world’s first commercial transistor-based mixing console for Philips Recording Studio in London." (ams neve website)
For what i've been told by a deutsh Tech, Neve colaborated with Philips to derivate the MM2 (for modular mixer) series from the first console, and then Philips integrated the whole channel modules in one for a broadcast version, the LDC serie.

this tech told me that he had the MM2 and many LDC to maintain and that the schematics are almost the same, minus the interstage Xformers.
i never had the occasion to have a look at these diagram to confirm this or not, but i would be very curious to know what is true in this story.
so if anyone have informations about this he's welcome !!
Hi

This well could be so but smacks of urban myth to me...

I wasn't at Neve pre 1971 though I did spend a lot of time restoring that very console that was built for Philips music... it was built around 1964 (I'm at home and don't have my files with me) but predates the 1073 era as it was germanium transistor based and built in large black module cases with copious use of strip board.

The console in question was claimed to be 1974 era and looks like that kind of technology by the photo. That's ten years after that Philips recording console was built.

Back then, the company was very small and worked out of Mr Neve's home with a modular building that was later carted to the Melbourn site. I've attached a photo from that era.

Philips is a big company... I have personally owned Philips shavers, portable radios and a tape recorder... it's unlikely that they'd need the assistance of a then little known engineer who was busy building up his own company.

Perhaps he'll step in and clarify but I feel it's just another of the famous myths... like Neve consoles were made from melted down Lancaster bombers... presumably because of the RAF blue grey paint!

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Old 22nd February 2008
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a friend of mine bought a 1983 model last year and i had a look at it for the first time today. very sweet piece of gear. great sounding EQs and pretty cool layout. He spent a lot of time and effort to restore it. Maybe i will get some pictures of him to post here. I asked him about the Neve reference and he knew there was something but couldn't specify exactly the background info. It seems like very solid broadcast technology and i have to say i was quite impressed by it.
Old 22nd February 2008
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Thanks for answers,
livingstone,we are talking together by mail about your ldc,right?
I am searching specs here but not easy...!That's an underground console..!!
I hope this thread will progress and give us more informations about it!
Kidbill.
Old 22nd February 2008
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I'm in Holland and have seen severall Philips consoles. But their history is very unknown and seems undocumented.


Muziekschuur
Old 22nd February 2008
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About Philips-Neve cooperation.

From the AMS NEVE website:

in 1964 Neve designed and built the world’s first commercial transistor-based mixing console for Philips Recording Studio in London.

AMS Neve Ltd.
Old 24th February 2008
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Nothing more?
Old 24th February 2008
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From the AMS NEVE website:

in 1964 Neve designed and built the world’s first commercial transistor-based mixing console for Philips Recording Studio in London.

AMS Neve Ltd.
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Yes, this was mentioned higher up in the thread. Philips is a huge conglomerate... I'm watching a Philips TV at the moment. Just because a console (that I did a lot of restoration on) was built for the Philips classic recording studio does not mean that the Dutch (?) Philips recording equipment was designed by Mr Neve.

Decca made consoles and bought Neve consoles for their record label... it doesn't mean the Neve designed Decca consoles.

EMI made consoles and bought Neve consoles for their studios... it doesn't mean that Neve designed EMI consoles.

It's a very shaky connection to make without hard evidence.

Here's a link to the Philips recording label.... Decca & Philips Classics- Online Classical Music and Videos

Old 24th February 2008
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I own a Philips professional stereo 31 band graphic equalizer. The ex-philips engineer I bought it from mentioned that particular piece of gear was manufactured outside the Philips factories and only was labeled Philips to sell to companies who bought Philips Professional equipment for internal use (like a soundsystem in large companies as soundsystem for meetings and stuff).

At this time lots of knowledge of that stuff is allmost impossible to gather. I opened the unit to find anything............

Nothing.
Old 15th June 2008
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hi all, this desk is a ldc 25 because i has got 8 busses and the frame is of an ldc 35, this is a nice sounding desk ( I know because I service 5 of them)
the ldc IS indeed a newer version of the mm2 witch i am working on at the moment.
the main difference between those two is that the mm2 has got a psu per module and is running on 24v at 800Hz. the ldc asks for 40v dc.
the mm2 is a collaboration between philips and neve so they say, and the eq section of the ldc is the same as the mm2 the rest of the signal path is not exactly the same.
I hope this is the info you wanted
Old 15th June 2008
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hi all, this desk is a ldc 25 because i has got 8 busses and the frame is of an ldc 35, this is a nice sounding desk ( I know because I service 5 of them)
the ldc IS indeed a newer version of the mm2 witch i am working on at the moment.
the main difference between those two is that the mm2 has got a psu per module and is running on 24v at 800Hz. the ldc asks for 40v dc.
the mm2 is a collaboration between philips and neve so they say, and the eq section of the ldc is the same as the mm2 the rest of the signal path is not exactly the same.
I hope this is the info you wanted

Fritz
I recorded on a Philips desk for Phonogram Argentina in 1980, it wasn´t new by any means but it was nicely laid out, and I thought pretty complete at the time. It had the european style Vu meters and dual pots on the EQ, frequency on the outer knob and boost and cut on the inner. Was that Neve?
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Fritz
I recorded on a Philips desk for Phonogram Argentina in 1980, it wasn´t new by any means but it was nicely laid out, and I thought pretty complete at the time. It had the european style Vu meters and dual pots on the EQ, frequency on the outer knob and boost and cut on the inner. Was that Neve?
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There was no collaboration between Neve and Philips. The confusion is all because in 1966 Rupert Neve built a transistor console for Philips Classic Recording Studio... that is not the same as saying that there was a collaboration with the Dutch electronic company.

It would have European meters because it came from Europe based Philips and lots of companies used dual concentric knobs on their modules.

Old 8th May 2009
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Phillips LDC desks

Has anyone here got any schematics for any of the LDC range because i use an LDC 25 disk mastering desk which has been in service here for 12 years but i have never had any paperwork for it.
Thanks
Old 8th May 2009
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I have a folder with schematics I believe. Will check.
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Phillips LDC desk's

Old 5th May 2010
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Phillips LDc 25

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Old 9th May 2010
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Philips - Neve

well,
that is funny ... heh
i have a philips LB 2120 24Ch mixer.
But it was actually built from Acousta Austria and not from Philips.
Inside and outside you see it right away.
I called the office of Acousta and the lady on the phone told me that Neve and other companies like Acousta built mixing desks in the 70's / 80's for Philips

And the collaboration was exactly like "muziekschuur" described :
"Philips factories and only was labeled Philips to sell to companies who bought Philips Professional equipment for internal use (like a soundsystem in large companies as soundsystem for meetings and stuff). "
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well,
that is funny ... heh
i have a philips LB 2120 24Ch mixer.
But it was actually built from Acousta Austria and not from Philips.
Inside and outside you see it right away.
I called the office of Acousta and the lady on the phone told me that Neve and other companies like Acousta built mixing desks in the 70's / 80's for Philips

And the collaboration was exactly like "muziekschuur" described :
"Philips factories and only was labeled Philips to sell to companies who bought Philips Professional equipment for internal use (like a soundsystem in large companies as soundsystem for meetings and stuff). "
Hi

Sorry, I was there for Oct 1971 to Dec 1985 and never saw such a thing.

The elephant in the room is that Pye, also part of the Philips group, built consoles and broadcast equipment in the 1970's and had a factory in Coldhams Lane, Cambridge building consoles. I recall visiting the place once.

Far more likely that they were badged jobs for Philips.

Too many urban legends on this thread.

PS Here's a photo of the much sought after Pye Compressors http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ompressors.jpg

Old 3rd July 2010
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ldc 15 owner

hi , im in france in paris , i own an phillips LDC 15 model , since many years i try to have infos about it but its very hard , i tryed to find pieces to restore it but its not a simple thing because im not a specialist , so today i decide to sell my console , if anyone could be interessed by it , its a desk of 12 channels but i have 8 operational channels , a friend say me it seems to be built for a radiostation in the end of the 70's but i dont have other infos .
Old 25th August 2010
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Philips ldc desk

Hi guys, these console's were very common in the Netherlands during the 80's and early 90's. Almost every public regional and national broadcaster used them. There's a company called Smit Geluidstechniek who still run a mobile with a LDC25 and Van Schuppen Studios uses a very rare LDC35 version. There should be some doc's somewhere...
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