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vintage tube pre you wouldn't trade for anything in the world?
Old 2nd February 2008
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vintage tube pre you wouldn't trade for anything in the world?

well, this may be overstating it a bit... but heck, it's friday night and rather than some blow + a hooker i'm posting on gearslutz.

the title pretty much says it all... include the appplication if you would, ex. ampex mx10 on drums etc...

specifically, i'm looking for that gorgeous, HUUUUUge, beautifully textured, LUSH, deeeeep & wiiiiide sound of yesteryear, especially for intimate+massive VOX (also cymbals).

best,
quantz (sumtheory)
Old 2nd February 2008
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Greg Hanks BA-660

Greg Hanks BA-660

Rare as rare can be... maybe 50 of them exist

Headroom for days PLUS compressors that hit both the BET of a Fairchild 660 and BA6a... then some!

Mind blowing.

Most everything can be replaced... this is one of those "one-of-a-kinds."

-andrews
Old 2nd February 2008
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How old does it have to be, to be vintage?
Old 2nd February 2008
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V72a's

Amazing for Vocals, OH's, Rooms, Act Gtr.... Anything with air. So everything!
Old 2nd February 2008
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How old does it have to be, to be vintage?
To me, vintage means old ..when tubes were the norm.
Old 2nd February 2008
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phaqu asked: How old does it have to be, to be vintage?

well, according to the Merriam-Webster online dictionary, one of the adjectival meanings of the word 'vintage' is:

of old, recognized, and enduring interest or appeal, importance, or quality : classic

so, i would say old enough to satisfy all the above parameters, and, if it should happen to be manufactured more recently, then it would be of a design that is evidenced by maturity and excellence, a design that produces wonderfully lush, textured, beautiful 3D sound that you could walk into and explore... not being made any more and/or being very hard-to-find would also be part of this equation... but i'd also include great remakes of classics, cause ultimately, it's the SOUND i'm after.

thanks again,
quantz (sumtheory)
Old 2nd February 2008
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Some blow and a hooker will probably be cheaper....
Old 2nd February 2008
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Originally Posted by rosecrud View Post
V72a's

Amazing for Vocals, OH's, Rooms, Act Gtr.... Anything with air. So everything!
V72a's?
Then you should really try a V72.
Old 2nd February 2008
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A real clean V 76.
Old 2nd February 2008
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My father's 1952 Ampex 403-P pre-amp.
Old 2nd February 2008
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A real clean V 76.
I'll second that. The only pre that has made my voice sound like music. Awesome tone
Old 2nd February 2008
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Originally Posted by quantz View Post
specifically, i'm looking for that gorgeous, HUUUUUge, beautifully textured, LUSH, deeeeep & wiiiiide sound of yesteryear, especially for intimate+massive VOX (also cymbals).

best,
quantz (sumtheory)
My RCA BN5A - I've never seen another one, and I'll never trade or sell mine.

Rarer than hen's teeth, and sounds like the 1950's the moment signal passes through it...
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Old 2nd February 2008
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My RCA BN5A - I've never seen another one, and I'll never trade or sell mine.

Rarer than hen's teeth, and sounds like the 1950's the moment signal passes through it...
Ampex 600 on my voice if you like distortion on vocals...
Old 3rd February 2008
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Some blow and a hooker will probably be cheaper....

i'm doing a rail off a very lovely lady's b**b right this moment... oh my...

...but keep the thread going, some very nice stuff mentioned here...

best,
quantz
Old 3rd February 2008
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V72a's?
Then you should really try a V72.
Hey jimmyjimjim

That's sounds fantastic. Could you tell me a bit more about the difference between them? Since I've had these I've pretty much only used them, Neve 1081's, 33102's and Ampex 351's. I would LOVE to find a better version of my V72a's if possible. I never knew there was that much of a difference.

Thanks!
-Sean
Old 3rd February 2008
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While professionals made a justified fuss about the transport section of the
Ampex 403-P, due to the push tape design,

The 403-P pre-amp electronics with Peerless tranformers delivers a wonderful warmth.


Old 3rd February 2008
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I'd be remiss if I didn't mention (again) the virtues of the Ampex pres of olde! My personal favorite is the 350 (and it's predecessor the 300, of which the only difference is the power supply, or so I'm told). Mine is a twin 350 (354), and sounds anywhere from clean to bold.

I guess it depends upon how it is used, and what you need to get out of it. But I have found everything I need except phantom power from these oldies.

When I need phantom pwr, I use an ISA428 (in 110 mode) 'cause I like the "sound" of transformers.

Did I mention that I wouldn't sell/trade mine? It's that good!!

And by the way FFTT, what you show (above) looks quite a bit like my first Ampex 300 (nearly the same as a 350)... Fantastic piece of kit!
Old 3rd February 2008
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IMHO, a well maintained V76 can't be beat!
Old 3rd February 2008
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I'd be remiss if I didn't mention (again) the virtues of the Ampex pres of olde! My personal favorite is the 350 (and it's predecessor the 300, of which the only difference is the power supply, or so I'm told). Mine is a twin 350 (354), and sounds anywhere from clean to bold.

I guess it depends upon how it is used, and what you need to get out of it. But I have found everything I need except phantom power from these oldies.

When I need phantom pwr, I use an ISA428 (in 110 mode) 'cause I like the "sound" of transformers.

Did I mention that I wouldn't sell/trade mine? It's that good!!

And by the way FFTT, what you show (above) looks quite a bit like my first Ampex 300 (nearly the same as a 350)... Fantastic piece of kit!
I have a thread about the restoration in Geekslutz where Brian Roth and my friend
Eric from Viking Amps helped me get her up and running again after 35 years in storage.

My father used the 403-P for tape back-ups of his court reporting while
assigned to the Pentagon Inspector General's Group back before he retired in 1960.

For phantom power, I've tried using my DAV BG-1 into the Ampex and while you
do have to engage the pad, the combination if the DAV's air and the warmth of the
Ampex get's some wonderful results.
Old 3rd February 2008
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The Ampex MX10 is incredible on guitars. Very lush and textured for samplers, orchestral program material and synths, tho suprisingly not that great on the low end.
The Ampex 351 is super clean and deep for basses, but I have since replaced with an ADesign MP1 w/telefunken tubes that takes bass a step further in tubey land
Old 3rd February 2008
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Considering the scope of what people go through to get that "classic" sound,
it really is hard to escape the cool factor of knowing my Ampex is the same kind
of kit used by Les Paul in his early recordings.

I've seen several 400 and 300 series Ampex pres up for sale on ebay
at all levels and pricing in "restorable" condition.

My 403-P is still in the original factory flight case and working perfectly.

There's just too much sentimental value since this was one of the very few
things my father left to me, never to be sold.
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Old 3rd February 2008
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TAB-Funk v72s
Old 6th February 2008
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hey all - thanks so far...

i'm doing a bunch of auditioning... luv the V76.

best,
quantz
Old 6th February 2008
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That is indeed the first RCA BN5A I've seen, other than in the 1959 catalog.

My answer is Gates SA-20.
Old 7th February 2008
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That is indeed the first RCA BN5A I've seen, other than in the 1959 catalog.
Hi Doug,

I've never even seen a catalog with a picture - do you have a pic or link with any technical info? heh

Thx!!!
Old 8th February 2008
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no link.

50-15kHz +/-1.5db rating

mic to line out 90 db
mic to phone out 70 db

signal to noise -65 db

harmonic distortion less than 1.5% at 50 Hz at +18 dbm out into 600 ohms

has built in 6db pad on output

-30 dbm max input rating

interstage volume after 1st stage. Push-pull output stage. This makes me suspect the same transformers as found on the BA-21A. Circuitboard style matches the BC-3 /5/6 series consoles.
Old 8th February 2008
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Some blow and a hooker will probably be cheaper....

That's what I was thinking.

The V72a's have a more defined midrange than the V72's. They are both nice in their own way. Haven't had too much experience with the V76, but I'm sure you couldn't go wrong.
Druhms
Old 18th February 2008
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bump ;)

what of Dave Marquette's Mercury M76m? how close to a good V76 is it?

best to all...
Old 18th February 2008
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no link.

50-15kHz +/-1.5db rating

mic to line out 90 db
mic to phone out 70 db

signal to noise -65 db

harmonic distortion less than 1.5% at 50 Hz at +18 dbm out into 600 ohms

has built in 6db pad on output

-30 dbm max input rating

interstage volume after 1st stage. Push-pull output stage. This makes me suspect the same transformers as found on the BA-21A. Circuitboard style matches the BC-3 /5/6 series consoles.
Thanks for this Doug - never knew any specifics, so this is valuable info.

Best,
Old 18th February 2008
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To the contrary...

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IMHO, a well maintained V76 can't be beat!

Beat hands down by a well-maintained V72

-andrews
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