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eventide H3000 D/SE vs. H3500
Old 15th October 2007
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eventide H3000 D/SE vs. H3500

I'm looking to buy the H3000 D/SE, but have seen several H3500s for sale.

What are the differences? Is the H3500 just as good or better? Noisier or the same? I'm looking to use this primarily for vocals, specifically pitch shifting.

Thanks in advance.
Old 15th October 2007
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I'm looking to buy the H3000 D/SE, but have seen several H3500s for sale.

What are the differences? Is the H3500 just as good or better? Noisier or the same? I'm looking to use this primarily for vocals, specifically pitch shifting.

Thanks in advance.
Have had both- AFAIK the actual converters are the same, however the 3500 comes standard with more algorithms and sampling. Look at the "oldies" section on the eventide site for specifics.
Old 15th October 2007
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Yes, I think the 3500 has the sampling board built in?
Algorithm wise I think the H3000 D/SE is the same but I could be wrong.
Old 15th October 2007
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Yes, I think the 3500 has the sampling board built in?
Algorithm wise I think the H3000 D/SE is the same but I could be wrong.
Wrong-

H3500DFX/E Algos- 100-112, 114-123

Presets- 150-199, 200-257, 259-284, 286-298, 366-399, 416-423, 425-493, 496-499, 500-699, 700-747, 750-786, 793-799, 800-899, 975-999
HS395 (long) sampler


H3000D/SE Algos- 100-112, 114-119, 122-123

Presets- 150-199, 200-257, 259-284, 286-298, 366-399, 416-423, 486-487, 496-499, 500-699, 700-747, 793-797, 799, 800-899, 975-999
Old 15th October 2007
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Ok!
But are the extra algos and presets not just for the sampler (as in if you don't need the sampling option, you don't need the algos)?
Old 15th October 2007
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Thanks for the replies. So, am I correct in assuming that the 3500 has all of the pitchshifting goodness of the 3000 D/SE?
Old 15th October 2007
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Love my H3000D/SE. It's a very strong device with the right hands and ears.
Old 15th October 2007
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Ive owned both but I only have the 3000 d/se now

I remember using a 3000 back in the late 80's and was blown away
but I didn't have the money at the time. Back two years ago I
snagged a 3500 on ebay for a grand thinking it was newer than a 3000
and would sound better.

It just didn't have the mojo I recalled the 3000 had so I sold the 3500 and got the d/se

The 3000 sound thicker to me and more analog. For all I know they could have the same components but to me they sounded different. The presets were similar. I still havn't gone through all the presets I use the reverb and the pitch

the 3500 is great don't get me wrong. hyi the 4000 sounded worse than the 3500
Old 15th October 2007
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Ive owned both but I only have the 3000 d/se now

I remember using a 3000 back in the late 80's and was blown away
but I didn't have the money at the time. Back two years ago I
snagged a 3500 on ebay for a grand thinking it was newer than a 3000
and would sound better.

It just didn't have the mojo I recalled the 3000 had so I sold the 3500 and got the d/se

The 3000 sound thicker to me and more analog. For all I know they could have the same components but to me they sounded different. The presets were similar. I still havn't gone through all the presets I use the reverb and the pitch

the 3500 is great don't get me wrong. hyi the 4000 sounded worse than the 3500
The 4000 was definitely different, but I think the difference between the 3000 and 3500 was all in your head. Maybe it was the color of the paint?? I have had both side by side.. BUT- would be interested if someone could chime in that actually knows if these are the same or not. It was my understanding that the change in converters and other components didn't occur until the 4000 ??
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The 4000 was definitely different, but I think the difference between the 3000 and 3500 was all in your head. Maybe it was the color of the paint?? I have had both side by side.. BUT- would be interested if someone could chime in that actually knows if these are the same or not. It was my understanding that the change in converters and other components didn't occur until the 4000 ??
I just got off the phone with eventide they told me the only difference was the paint and the logo and they are sorry for sucking everyone in and selling a 3000 d/se disguised with a 3500 logo

seriously They sound different. how ever subtle it may be I like the 3000 better. Even if something has the same converters doesn't mean they sound the same. everyone know that. What about the surrounding components? What about the firmware/software?
Old 16th October 2007
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I just got a D/SE.

There's so many options I don't know where to start.

Along with a preset list dmorley was nice enough to post, I'm going through and listing out which ones I dig by category.

It'll probably take me all week.

Bad ass machine.
Old 16th October 2007
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Thanks for the replies. Seems like both are good units, but that--at least according to some--the 3000 d/se has a little more mojo.
Old 11th January 2008
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Thanks for the replies. Seems like both are good units, but that--at least according to some--the 3000 d/se has a little more mojo.
I wouldn't make that conclusion based on one guy who thought the H3500 didn't have the same mojo as a H3000 D/SE that he could recall from using in the late 80's. He never had both units side by side! How can he possibly claim one unit he used nearly 20 years ago sounded more "analog and thicker"? Take into consideration he most likely used it on a completely different set up, board, monitors, tape etc Can you really take that claim seriously??? Maybe his ears were "thicker and more analog" in 1989 ;-)

The other guy here had both units side by side and noted "no" difference.

Eventide themselves say the only difference was the H3500 added the sampler board, had different firmware and a front paint job.

What are you going to believe ?
Old 23rd June 2014
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I wouldn't make that conclusion based on one guy who thought the H3500 didn't have the same mojo as a H3000 D/SE that he could recall from using in the late 80's. He never had both units side by side! How can he possibly claim one unit he used nearly 20 years ago sounded more "analog and thicker"? Take into consideration he most likely used it on a completely different set up, board, monitors, tape etc Can you really take that claim seriously??? Maybe his ears were "thicker and more analog" in 1989 ;-)

The other guy here had both units side by side and noted "no" difference. Eventide themselves say the only difference was the H3500 added the sampler board, had different firmware and a front paint job.What are you going to believe ?
I can tell you right now 23/6/14
There was no EVENTIDE H3000 D/SE in the Late 1980's! from 1988 to 2002/3 (Last Run out units at 1,799$ in 2002.) Cost was 2000 Pounds UK or 2000 $USD list. No Eventide Part was replaced with a better spec trafo or convertor! All unit utilised a 16 bit PCM56/J/K/P module as a DAC with the unit itself using floating (bridged Transformers) in all units. That simply means no Ground noise from the Input/Output Stage! Why did Eventide stop making H3000's........? Simple! No more parts and/or stock for full production units!

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Old 23rd June 2014
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Ive owned both but I only have the 3000 d/se now

I remember using a 3000 back in the late 80's and was blown away
but I didn't have the money at the time. Back two years ago I
snagged a 3500 on ebay for a grand thinking it was newer than a 3000
and would sound better.

It just didn't have the mojo I recalled the 3000 had so I sold the 3500 and got the d/se

The 3000 sound thicker to me and more analog. For all I know they could have the same components but to me they sounded different. The presets were similar. I still havn't gone through all the presets I use the reverb and the pitch the 3500 is great don't get me wrong. fyi the 4000 sounded worse than the 3500
Seriously - this is why everything on GS requires research and double checking! Sad........though in 2014 True!



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Old 23rd June 2014
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None of the H3000 or H3500 versions ever used transformers for the audio inputs or outputs. And all H3000's are the same, electronically. There is one set of schematics and it applies to all H3000 versions. The only variations are the software and optional sampler board...and the colors on the front panel.

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I can tell you right now 23/6/14
There was no EVENTIDE H3000 D/SE in the Late 1980's! from 1988 to 2002/3 (Last Run out units at 1,799$ in 2002.) Cost was 2000 Pounds UK or 2000 $USD list. No Eventide Part was replaced with a better spec trafo or convertor! All unit utilised a 16 bit PCM56/J/K/P module as a DAC with the unit itself using floating (bridged Transformers) in all units. That simply means no Ground noise from the Input/Output Stage! Why did Eventide stop making H3000's........? Simple! No more parts and/or stock for full production units!

Regards
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Old 23rd June 2014
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So I have a h3000 d/se with sampler board and v2.18. Sampler board says 3000 sampler on it. It is the black and yellow variety. serial 1074. Did I score?
Old 24th June 2014
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None of the H3000 or H3500 versions ever used transformers for the audio inputs or outputs. And all H3000's are the same, electronically. There is one set of schematics and it applies to all H3000 versions. The only variations are the software and optional sampler board...and the colors on the front panel.
From the Man himself! Though..... Isn't there an addendum for the H3000 manual for installing an HS322/Sampling Board? Or is the "Service Manual for OEM Approved companies different to the generic Service manual?
Thanks David.


(And I said "Floating Trafo Outputs, I meant Floating Balanced Outputs)

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Old 25th June 2014
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Isn't there an addendum for the H3000 manual for installing an HS322/Sampling Board?
I thought you already have that.....
Old 27th June 2014
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I asked before if there were compressor presets in the D/SE and was told no. In fact there are compressor preset(s) onboard my machine....
Old 28th June 2014
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Yeap, I do thanks to you, though... when looking through the "H3000 Service manual" the was no mention of the HS322 Boards etc, so erm...maybe my copy of that manual was edited or somehow pages removed via some kind of PDF Program.
The sampler board info never was in the H3000 manual as the sampler boards were an option.
With the HS322 and/or HS395 kit the info was enclosed as an addendum to the H3000 manual.
It contained, as you know now, information about the sampler boards together with full instructions to install the boards.

The H3500 was nothing more than a H3000 with one of the two sampling board versions factory installed.
Old 28th June 2014
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You'll never regret owning an H3000 of any variety.
Old 11th October 2014
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I can tell you right now 23/6/14
There was no EVENTIDE H3000 D/SE in the Late 1980's! from 1988 to 2002/3 (Last Run out units at 1,799$ in 2002.) Cost was 2000 Pounds UK or 2000 $USD list. No Eventide Part was replaced with a better spec trafo or convertor! All unit utilised a 16 bit PCM56/J/K/P module as a DAC with the unit itself using floating (bridged Transformers) in all units. That simply means no Ground noise from the Input/Output Stage! Why did Eventide stop making H3000's........? Simple! No more parts and/or stock for full production units!

Regards
TheLastByte
Sorry guys, i ve already asked this question in the "Eventide H3000 Cult" thread(what a coool thread, since i am almost a part of it!!!)
But it seems its kind of a mistery!!!
I know the D/Se its one of the younger models, but does anyone know the exact year it was released???
I am almost buying a unit i´ve found and it seems its in good conditions but i really would like the year it was originaly released.
Strangely, kinda bizzare, but i could not find this information ANYWHERE.
All i understand is the H3000 is from 1988, and they continued to evolve till 2002...but couldnt find any list of series and their years, or even some 90s SOS review with this kind of information!
Can anyone give some enlightenment???
Thanks!!!
Old 11th October 2014
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Sorry guys, i ve already asked this question in the "Eventide H3000 Cult" thread(what a coool thread, since i am almost a part of it!!!)
But it seems its kind of a mistery!!!
I know the D/Se its one of the younger models, but does anyone know the exact year it was released???
I am almost buying a unit i´ve found and it seems its in good conditions but i really would like the year it was originaly released.
Strangely, kinda bizzare, but i could not find this information ANYWHERE.
All i understand is the H3000 is from 1988, and they continued to evolve till 2002...but couldnt find any list of series and their years, or even some 90s SOS review with this kind of information!
Can anyone give some enlightenment???
Thanks!!!
Yeah......read the entire Cult Of Eventide thread on the H3000 and you'll find all you need to know! or Google and see things like this http://performermag.com/flashback-19...ide-h3000-dse/
cheers
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The sampler board info never was in the H3000 manual as the sampler boards were an option.
With the HS322 and/or HS395 kit the info was enclosed as an addendum to the H3000 manual.
It contained, as you know now, information about the sampler boards together with full instructions to install the boards.

The H3500 was nothing more than a H3000 with one of the two sampling board versions factory installed.
Hi SP2016,
Valid point indeed. The Eventide H3000 Brochures for the H3000 SE as well as the later/last model run-outs on the 1998-2001 H3000 D/SX and D/SE all made clear the H3000 was optioned for the 2 different Sampling boards as well as the B/B+ Con Kit etc. As you will no doubt remember it was when the Eventide Eclipse Dropped heavily into advertising and Eventide were getting rid of stock H3000 Stuff as they did with the DSP 4K into the value punched DSP-4500 Full boat unit to get rid of the stock DSP4000/GTR versions & parts.

If you look back or search GS ( or search the H3000 Cult of Eventide Thread here on GS....very useful thread for H3000 info) and you'll see the brochures uploaded from H3000 BF/SE to D/SX & D/SE models. Hitting recycle is kind of near redundant in these Cult of Eventide Threads so I wont repeat the ordeal as in looking at these very long threads - anyone looking for Info will seek and ye shall find! (Search Cult of Eventide Thread)

I get you point though re the manuals & non inclusion, especially of the HS Sampling Boards as they were a Mod or addition to many units - unless they came in a stock standard Config!

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Last edited by TheLastByte; 11th October 2014 at 05:20 PM.. Reason: Cult of Eventide Thread
Old 11th October 2014
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None of the H3000 or H3500 versions ever used transformers for the audio inputs or outputs. And all H3000's are the same, electronically. There is one set of schematics and it applies to all H3000 versions. The only variations are the software and optional sampler board...and the colors on the front panel.
There is a tiny difference I've noticed. The early black/yellow button version has TL072 op-amps with a silver top/silver print in the inputs. I don't know if these were a special spec version. To my ears, they do sound a bit thicker/more round than the later generic TL072 versions that got used.

Tip: Exchanging the ringing 10Uf Tantalum input caps - C1, C6, C26, C32 - with Polypropylen or Russian PEPT caps makes a nice, notable difference in sound
Old 11th October 2014
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Evolution of internals in the H3000 line ended with the introduction of the DSP4000 line. The addition of the 'mod factory' was its end of actual development. The H3500 was its penultimate configuration - as the 4500 was the penultimate 4000 configuration superseded by the Orville. Aside from (possibly ?) very early 3000's (someone with better memory would need to confirm) all 3000's are 3000's ! Anyone hearing otherwise is experiencing age issues (as with any older gear) be it personal or in the rack !
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There is a tiny difference I've noticed. The early black/yellow button version has TL072 op-amps with a silver top/silver print in the inputs. I don't know if these were a special spec version. To my ears, they do sound a bit thicker/more round than the later generic TL072 versions that got used. Tip: Exchanging the ringing 10Uf Tantalum input caps - C1, C6, C26, C32 - with Polypropylen or Russian PEPT caps makes a nice, notable difference in sound
Wow....great Tip in upping a units Specs..though...your hearing must peak really well. In my hearing (and scope) the H3000's old rated 5-20kHz SNR falls as it's scoped at around 30Hz - to 15 or 17kHz max in mine, (Dependant on Algo and source going into unit though in reality).

I've never used a Black Face model save for Rental and in other Studios, though having said that, when mixed I can't hear the minutia in parts and tolerances your discussing (Unless it's a solo part in a track etc).

So usually just like an H3000 or 949 and the PCM-60 or 70 as long as they are working at not noisy, I tend to leave them well..... alone, as part of the charm of these older FX units and Reverbs to me imho is their sound and the grit that has added up in time, even in the DBX companding 949 and the crusty old 910!

Then again, others are different and we all hear things differently so maybe the clarity of the Algorithm is what your trying to get at, and when I look for that...It's that kind of purity that often leads me to the sanitised Plug In Version (Especially w/ Eventide and the H3000 Bundle) that do the more Clinical examples leaving all those dirty leaky Caps and various dry joints alongside clapped out and down and dirty odds and ends far away!

I'd loathe my H3000 to sound like an Eclipse or an H8000 etc as the convertor technology is often just to high, making the sounds and Algo's more clinical, great if your doing a 16 Trk Analog 2" track w/ 30 year Console etc..though it's great to know people are digging in and finding the possible problem factors that could kill off these older units! Thanks for the Tips!

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Evolution of internals in the H3000 line ended with the introduction of the DSP4000 line. The addition of the 'mod factory' was its end of actual development. The H3500 was its penultimate configuration - as the 4500 was the penultimate 4000 configuration superseded by the Orville. Aside from (possibly ?) very early 3000's (someone with better memory would need to confirm) all 3000's are 3000's ! Anyone hearing otherwise is experiencing age issues (as with any older gear) be it personal or in the rack !
sdg
Huh.....Reads like a post I wrote on this forum 2 hours ago!
Can't deny it, not sure which will go senile 1st, the H3000 or Me!
They do just go keeping on, and on and on.....well for most units.
cheers
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The only variations are the software and optional sampler board...and the colors on the front panel.
I was pretty sure, that the early BF H3000's also had the Tape Transport Mod so they could be hooked up to certain ATR's from Ampex, MCI-Sony & Studer etc for the Time Compression and the Tape Speed functions that were initially implemented before the Sample Dram boards became available by Eventide (as they used their own proprietary Ram Chips) on a Sampling HS322 board to do inside Sampling of the Time Compression which again was made ultimately redundant due to massive surge of Prolific Samplers at a much lower price point then an H3000 was such as the S1100 by Akai which had Stereo Phase Locked functions, alongside other early tricks like the EIIX by E-Mu Systems. Operational Manuals have this scenario, though service manuals later seemed to delete this option for flying in time compression to the H3000 as with the RS422 and SMPTE coded 2400/1200 by Lexicon.

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