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Sultans of swing 53 hz rumble
Old 9th September 2007
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Sultans of swing 53 hz rumble

Hello

i've bought myself some Genelec 8050's last week
now i am trying to get used to them by listening to my favorite music
most of the albums i listen to sound good, but i have experienced some
bassdrum rumble on Sultans of swing, while the other songs of the album
(money for nothing) sound very good.
i,ve experienced the same while listening to RHCP desecration smile
when the bassdrum kicks in.
i can eq a few db's at 53 hz which makes it sound tighter.
I am wondering if someone else has experienced this.
Old 9th September 2007
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Are you talking about the remastered edition of the MFN album, or the original one?

I was never fond of the remastered "Sultans" track, too bright and somehow "over-processed", while I think the one on the unremastered album is fine - better than the original album version...

Will have to check back about the rumble...
Old 9th September 2007
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Hello Nico

i,ve got the AAD version from 1988
overall i find it a very nice production, its just the Sultans of swing
bassdrum my monitors/room can't reproduce clearly.

Bram
Old 10th September 2007
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if it's the same frequency in more than one recording, the issue is almost definitely the acoustics of your room. if so, repositioning the monitors and bass trapping is the order of the day.


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Old 11th September 2007
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I,ve measured my room
and it looks almost flat in the low frequentie regions.
but when playing or making music i noticed a small peak at 125 hz
i couldn't hear a dip or loss of definition at 53 hz.
maybe that the problem has something to do with the time signature of the drums played. could i be right here. are standing waves causing my problems?
my room is made up from brick walls, but my ceiling is made of 0.5"
plywood with reinforcement struts. between the ceiling and the roof is a diagonal space of approx 6 square metres.
is there a chance this space with the plywood baffle is acting as a huge
absorber?
Old 11th September 2007
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you have to get different monitors...
or a different room...
or a different album...

Old 11th September 2007
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Originally Posted by B.Sure View Post
is there a chance this space with the plywood baffle is acting as a huge
absorber?
yes.
Old 11th September 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Sure View Post
i couldn't hear a dip or loss of definition at 53 hz.

hang on, i thought the reason you started this thread was precisely because you were hearing problems with that freq on multiple recordings?

measurements be damned, if you're hearing a problem, you've got a problem. brick is tough, all the bass is coming back into the room and colliding with itself. unless you're room is really big with high ceilings, and/or unless you've got a lot of bass trapping, you've almost definitely got issues.

how big is your space, and what's the treatment situation?


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Old 13th September 2007
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my room measures 11 ft wide, 13 ft long, and 8.5 ft high.
this gives a content of 1216 cubic feet.
the ratio of the room is 1:1.29:1.53.
i know the room is quite small, but the ratio doesn't look too bad.
i,ve only got two Diy tubetraps in the front corners a carpet on the concrete floor and a heavy curtain covering about 70% of the rear wall including two meranty doors.
i didn't do anything to take away early reflections yet, because the
the 8050's offer quite good imaging without treatment (not listening at very high levels).
Bass management is more of a concern.
yesterday i have been searching for a better sweet spot.
first i positioned the monitors at 38% from the front wall
later from side wall, in the middle etc..
positioning them on 38% made the bass less strong and adds some delay
to it. i found out that positioning them close to the short wall gives best response, although the bass is a tadd stronger in the back corners
(ceiling backwall sidewall) than on the listening position.
most of the Cd's i,ve listened too last days don't reveal any problems
i am hearing things i,ve never heard before.
it;s an enjoyment to listen classical music productions, i do hear the strangest noises on the background like piano pedals and damping mechanism, breathing, background rumble, squeeky floors and so on.
some electronic productions sound very good. even deep drum and
bass lines stay detailed.
Could it be that my room doesn't like Sultans of Swing
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