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Lexicon 300 - softaware versions: any difference or limitations ? Reverb/Delay Processors (HW)
Old 4th September 2007
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Lexicon 300 - softaware versions: any difference or limitations ?

I got an offer for Lexicon 300 with 1.02 software version. Does it have any disadvantage or limitations comparing to later software versions (4 etc.) ?
Would it be a good buy ?
Old 4th September 2007
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Depends on the price
Old 4th September 2007
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The highest version on the 300L or M300 is 3.5.
Old 4th September 2007
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Depends on the price
Price is good ($1700), but I would like to know what I would miss comparing to 3.5 version. And if something is really missing, whether it can be somehow upgraded to a higher version
Old 4th September 2007
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Lexicon don't make any upgrade anymore, the V1 offer a lot less preset than the latest version...
Old 4th September 2007
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Lexicon don't make any upgrade anymore, the V1 offer a lot less preset than the latest version...
Just the presets ? But user presets can still be made ?
STill not sure whether it would be a real upgrade from my PCM**** which sounds quite good ... and has 400 presets :-))
Old 4th September 2007
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Thank you. This seems to be the version 1.02 ? Really not many presets ... I cannot see Random Hall and many other Halls I am used from PCM**** (also the choice of plates is not very generous ....)

Hmm, I have to think about it ...

Some people say the sound is the same as PCM****, other people say it sounds slightly better ...
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and some like me will tell you the 300L sounds a 1000 times better than the pcm91...
Old 4th September 2007
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So there is no chance to upgrade the software in any other way ? I remember some possibility was offered here from time to time but I forgot what was the way ....
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So there is no chance to upgrade the software in any other way ? I remember some possibility was offered here from time to time but I forgot what was the way ....
I was selling a rare set of 300L 3.5L eproms a while ago, now gone..
Feel free to call Harman music group in MA, may be they found one hidden behind a box or something...
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I was selling a rare set of 300L 3.5L eproms a while a go, now gone..
What is it ? Some upgrade kit ? How do you upgrade ? Via some disc or something like that ? I will ask them ...
Old 4th September 2007
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No, it's just a set of 3x eproms, you install on the PCB board, that's all.
Make sure you ask them a set of V3.5 upgrade and not V3.5L.
The V3.5L is the same upgrade in terms of presets but it will freeze the front panel, and you'll need a Larc remote to control your unit.
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I just talked to the Lexicon support. They may find some chips. I also asked about their opinion about the sound quality comparison between PCM**** and L300 and they said it is very subjective. Using basically the same reverb algorithms, the difference is very subtle. PCM**** is a newer model and has more powerful processor and higher version of software and hardware. L300 was top at that time and may have some more "vintage" flavour.

My use goes basically around long lush "celestial" verbs rather than some pop/rock stuff. I wonder whether L300 sounds any more lush and celestial in long halls than PCM****
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I wonder whether L300 sounds any more lush and celestial in long halls than PCM****
For long reverbs that are meant to be heard.......Yesthumbsup
Old 5th September 2007
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What is it ? Some upgrade kit ? How do you upgrade ? Via some disc or something like that ? I will ask them ...
Ivo,

If you talk about M300, I can offer you to try v. 3.5 EPROMS from my M300 which was upgraded to 300L (LARC) with V.3.5L EPROMS I bought from Alex. If you don't like upgrade you can send me EPROMs back
If you wish LARC version than you would need v 3.5L EPROMS.
I'll check, but I think price is normally around 250-300 $ for all 3.
In regard to sound, I have two 300's and never though to sell them (I have Bricasti now, too, but this Lex flavor is possible to get only by higher-end Lexicons).
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I just talked to the Lexicon support. They may find some chips. I also asked about their opinion about the sound quality comparison between PCM**** and L300 and they said it is very subjective. Using basically the same reverb algorithms, the difference is very subtle. PCM**** is a newer model and has more powerful processor and higher version of software and hardware. L300 was top at that time and may have some more "vintage" flavour.

My use goes basically around long lush "celestial" verbs rather than some pop/rock stuff. I wonder whether L300 sounds any more lush and celestial in long halls than PCM****
You should look into a Nuverb system. I just got a 2 card system and they are beautiful. Set me back only about $900 and supposedly they "are" the m300 verbs.
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You should look into a Nuverb system. I just got a 2 card system and they are beautiful. Set me back only about $900 and supposedly they "are" the m300 verbs.

But that´s only for old macs, isn´t it ?
Old 6th September 2007
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Yeah, you need a Nubus Mac to run them. A 300 without the pitch algos and just AES i/o...
Old 6th September 2007
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Hi, I'm french, so... sorry for my poor english.

I also have the opportunity to buy a good-priced Lexicon M300 (not -L), but the version is 1.0...
I only use large hall or church presets, for classical music recording.
I wonder if the version number matters...

I'm very interested, if someone can help me, or knows a way to upgrade...

Thanks a lot !
Old 6th September 2007
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im not sure why, but the 300 was/is my favorite larc/system, always thought it sounded better than 480's or 224xl....dont know why, or what the software version was....

if it can be upgraded go for it.
Old 7th September 2007
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But that´s only for old macs, isn´t it ?
Yeah but what is the difference than buying a old hardware reverb unit like a 300L etc. The nice thing about Nuverb is that you can edit the effects on a nice big computer screeen. And Lexicon says the reverb "is" from the m300. So basically I got 2 m300's for $900 and they sound great. Not a bad deal in my book. Of course I would like to have two 300Ls but I would have to spend 4 times the money. I compared the Random Hall of Nuverb to that of my PCM90 and I can tell a noticeable improvement, not huge, but definitely there.
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I've got one too, ver. 1.2 Somebody mentioned here that ver. 1 might even sounds "better". I don't know... I'm liking it so far.... I would look into the option to upgrade it to the latest version too. If someone knows where we can do it, please let us know. I'm definitely IN to try out latest version, If I don' like it I can always go back.

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Old 8th September 2007
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Ivo,

If you talk about M300, I can offer you to try v. 3.5 EPROMS from my M300 which was upgraded to 300L (LARC) with V.3.5L EPROMS I bought from Alex. If you don't like upgrade you can send me EPROMs back
If you wish LARC version than you would need v 3.5L EPROMS.
I'll check, but I think price is normally around 250-300 $ for all 3.
In regard to sound, I have two 300's and never though to sell them (I have Bricasti now, too, but this Lex flavor is possible to get only by higher-end Lexicons).

I sent you a PM. Check it out...
Mozart
Old 19th October 2007
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buy the 300 in any version im absoltuely in love with mine. especially on synths.





damn, i always thought difference of versions was only in dualfx-algorithms. now i realized i dont have Random Hall either. a v1.10 user here too. so i need them eeproms as well. if anyone has ideas/options how ti obtain this, pls let me know. my e-mail is on the web site in sig.


thanks
Tom
Old 19th October 2007
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With Lexicon PCM 96 coming (for $2699) and Bricasti , the price of these old Lexicons must drop a lot, I suppose ... A friend of mine bought Lexicon 300 for $1400 recently at the auction in NYC. Around $1200-1400 should be a reasonable price in view of those new units ...
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With Lexicon PCM 96 coming (for $2699) and Bricasti , the price of these old Lexicons must drop a lot, I suppose ... A friend of mine bought Lexicon 300 for $1400 recently at the auction in NYC. Around $1200-1400 should be a reasonable price in view of those new units ...
Agree.
I paid for very clean M300 around 1600 some 2 years ago, so now should be less (I guess 1400 in US, in Europe everything costs more)
300L due to LARC is different story as LARC alone goes for crazy price nowdays (without it 300L or 480 are virtually unusable). I was lucky to find pure collector item (gearslutz who one a week or month played it at home), so everything was pracatically unused NOS (even no slightest dust inside). Such gems can be honored with couple of hundreds above average prices.
Still, I think that 300 will survive (sonically) after advent of PCM96, not in terms to be generally better reverb, but in some of its unique sounds.
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I would consider only a version without LARC - first, it is much cheaper and second, with LARC you get another thing which can fail at one moment ...
Old 19th October 2007
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The 300 is great for large ambient spaces. Wish I had one for that. Made a track that used that heavily. Superb...
Old 19th October 2007
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I would consider only a version without LARC - first, it is much cheaper and second, with LARC you get another thing which can fail at one moment ...
Right. Sound is same.
Check one offer in GS Secondhand Gears forum.
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