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Why do you need/use Pro Tools HD? Recorders, Players & Tape Machines
View Poll Results: Why do you need/use Pro Tools HD?
Stability
121 Votes - 57.62%
Simplicity / UI, less need for workarounds and manuals
94 Votes - 44.76%
"No" (low, fixed) latency
110 Votes - 52.38%
Better automation then the competition
54 Votes - 25.71%
I need plug-ins only available in the TDM format
45 Votes - 21.43%
Better monitoring during record than native solutions (no need to use 3rd part mixers)
66 Votes - 31.43%
Digidesign's converters (or compatible), 48-bit mix engine
20 Votes - 9.52%
Compatibility with others
112 Votes - 53.33%
I need a lot of I/Os and tracks
59 Votes - 28.10%
Autom. Plug-in Delay Compensation
81 Votes - 38.57%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 210. You may not vote on this poll

Old 15th August 2007
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Why do you need/use Pro Tools HD?

Instead of another pro/con Pro Tools TDM thread, it would be interesting with a simple poll to see what people's reasons are for using this hardware/software, and why they feel that hey need it. It's not an attempt of starting another DAW war tread!

You can vote for as many options you want.

I'm not claiming that all the answers are 'valid' reasons to use PT HD, but have included these answers because these are among the most common reasons I've heard (and used myself, in the past) for using Pro Tools. I wanted to add more, but there's a limit of 10 reply options.
Old 15th August 2007
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This may be one of the dumbest polls I've seen yet!!

Congratulations!!

You forgot to add the response "Because I'm a sheep, and everyone else is using the miserable sounding crap"
Old 15th August 2007
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Err... what?
Old 15th August 2007
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Good poll. I'm surprised to find that, looking down the list, there's only one compelling reason for me to move "up" to PT, and that's automation

(although I'd suggest we left out "Has sophisticated dedicated control surfaces", which would be another.)

If I were tracking, then I could add latency and monitoring to my list, but I'm only mixing. Everything else is covered by other DAWs. and compatibility with other studios, surprisingly, hasn't been an issue up to now.

I realise I am a "special case" though heh

Paul
Old 15th August 2007
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What a stupid poll.. I'm sorry .. but none of the options are unique to Pro Tools except for the compatibility with other PT users..
Old 15th August 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Koed View Post
none of the options are unique to Pro Tools except for the compatibility with other PT users..
I partially disagree, but please read the first post again:

Quote:
Instead of another pro/con Pro Tools TDM thread, it would be interesting with a simple poll to see what people's reasons are for using this hardware/software, and why they feel that hey need it. It's not an attempt of staring another DAW war tread!
Quote:
I'm not claiming that all the answers are 'valid' reasons to use PT HD
Some people use PT HD because labels / artists ask for it, which I would categorize as 'compatibility' (with clients) - option 8 above.

Another valid reason (for me) is that a TDM-rig has a more 'analog' way of controlling the monitor situation during record (option 6 above) than a native rig in direct monitoring mode - unless I will accept higher buffer settings, which means higher latency (option 3 above).

I don't think that PT HD or 'native' is always the best solution - eg. the UI/simplicity aspect of quantizing drums in PT is also considered a main reason to keep working in PT by many.
Old 15th August 2007
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simply because i like it!!!!

nuendo sounds better but it is best on pc and tech support blows

logic is easier for sequencing but hate editing audio and it's audio routing structure

cubase feels better than most sequncers but had major stability issues in the past

have little experience with dp but hate the feel of the sequencer...too stiff.

Radar...sounds great but not an option.

PT one of the best, easiest and most stable for recording and editing audio not to mention compatibility with the rest of the known universe and has great tech support.

true you can "do" same things in all of them but for me it is about which does what the easiest with less headache. for editing audio, i could not be happier.

ej
Old 15th August 2007
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The poll does not include the following:
- tab to transient
- beat detective
- precise audio editing in arrange (edit) window
- bussed signal routing to track inputs
- easy audio editing in general
- playlists
- ability to link record and play fader position

Those are main advantages of Pro Tools over Logic (in my case). If only Logic had those functions I would prefer Logic / Fireface rig. - Stacking two Firefaces + some external converters you can have 48 I/O for much cheaper than similar Pro Tools HD rig. And with RME latency is not an issue.
Old 15th August 2007
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Does anyone else think it is funny that "sound quality" was left out?
Old 15th August 2007
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monitoring through plugsthumbsup
Old 15th August 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jacko View Post
The poll does not include the following
The list was originally longer, but the poll only allows max 10 answer options for some reason. Some of what you mention is already baked into some more general terms:
Simplicity should cover for 'easy audio editing in general', for example. I'd like the list to be longer too.

Since this isn't a poll about why people need Pro Tools, but Pro Tools HD (vs. all the other options), I also left out some stuff that can be done in PTLE (like Beat Detective). I still think the list should be longer, and wonder why the limitations of 10 reply options is there.

There are more things in PT that differ from what has been mentioned already (that Logic doesn't have), and there are things PT can do, that other DAWs than Logic can do.

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Originally Posted by Chris Kress View Post
Does anyone else think it is funny that "sound quality" was left out?
An audio track inside a DAW doesn't have a 'sound' as such. The quality of the avaliable plug-ins, the mixing engine (fixed 48-bit in PTHD vs. 32-bit floating point in Logic), and quality of the compatible converters are responsible for the sound quality in a system, and their all in there...

Quote:
Originally Posted by deuc647
monitoring through plugs
That's in the poll ('Better monitoring during record'), but AFAIK one can monitor through plugs in all DAWs, the problem is that when you do this, buffer size and CPU capacity counts, which may make the situation into a latency problem more than a monitoring problem - all depending on whether you monitor through the software or if you turn off software monitoring.

Many of these functions (and therefore - reply options) interfere with each other. Stability may not be a problem in a native DAW as such (some will claim that it isn't, some will say that it is), but stability may become a headache if people push their buffer settings as low as possible in order to get lower latency. This only matters if you use software monitoring - otherwise you may get a stable system in all situations (if the DAW is stable!) and lower latencies than on a PTHD system.
Old 15th August 2007
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You forgot the " I don't use pro tools 'cause it sounds like crap" catagory.

Count me in that camp, next to Fletcher.

Jim Williams
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Old 15th August 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Williams View Post
You forgot the " I don't use pro tools 'cause it sounds like crap" catagory.

Count me in that camp, next to Fletcher.

Jim Williams
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I had a few 'I don't use PT because ***********' originally. I normally don't use PT anymore, and the title doesn't suggest that I think people need it.

What do you use? What does Fletcher use?
Old 15th August 2007
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HDR's. No ITB, no plugs except the one's with TRS and XLR connectors.

Ashford and Simpson wrote a song about it;

"There's nothing like the real thing, baby".

Jim Williams
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Old 15th August 2007
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I voted for: Compatibility with others, I need a lot of I/Os and tracks, and "No" (low, fixed) latency.

Stability??? Pro Tools has been bugged since day one. Some of the bugs have been around for years and never get fixed. Stability is not one of digi's strongest attributes.

They should go back to letting apogee make converters, cause they get in through the back door anyway, only there are issues every now and then, especially when using the sync.
Old 15th August 2007
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Fletcher I hope your mixes stand up to the claims you make on the internet.

Jo
Old 15th August 2007
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i do believe that all daws have a "sound"

pt for example sounds very different form Logic which sounds different from nuendo.

each has it's own advantages and disadvantages.

none are perfect

i do have to admit that nuendo sounds great to me.
Old 15th August 2007
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You forgot ease of editing...
Old 15th August 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fletcher View Post
This may be one of the dumbest polls I've seen yet!!

Congratulations!!

You forgot to add the response "Because I'm a sheep, and everyone else is using the miserable sounding crap"
He also forgot the option: "Because I am a poser, and to be a real studio you have to have Pro Tools, right?" heh

Just kidding guys...
Old 15th August 2007
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Also forgot: because I bought PT when it clearly was the best option, and I don't care to spend the time and money on buying and learning a new system. Even if it might be somewhere near adequate.

And, I still think logic sucks for editing audio.
Old 15th August 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fletcher View Post

You forgot to add the response "Because I'm a sheep, and everyone else is using the miserable sounding crap"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Williams View Post
You forgot the " I don't use pro tools 'cause it sounds like crap" catagory.

Count me in that camp, next to Fletcher.
you guys are cool...super cool.
Old 15th August 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fletcher View Post
This may be one of the dumbest polls I've seen yet!!

Congratulations!!

You forgot to add the response "Because I'm a sheep, and everyone else is using the miserable sounding crap"

thumbsupthumbsupthumbsup
Old 15th August 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fletcher View Post
This may be one of the dumbest polls I've seen yet!!

Congratulations!!

You forgot to add the response "Because I'm a sheep, and everyone else is using the miserable sounding crap"
how's your adat on a stick doing?

Does that make you a Dinosaur? They still make you? I thought you guys were all extinct.

Wow, you even seem to have a follower. Wonders never cease.
Old 15th August 2007
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Quote:
Instead of another pro/con Pro Tools TDM thread, it would be interesting with a simple poll to see what people's reasons are for using this hardware/software, and why they feel that hey need it. It's not an attempt of staring another DAW war tread!
So nice to see that two "elder statesman" of audio/GS can not only not read but are fully capable of acting like pissy internet teenagers. Messrs Fletcher & Williams, your responses to this thread speak volumes of your "professionalism". I'm sure you don't need my money, but you need never fear seeing it either.heh
Old 15th August 2007
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Old 15th August 2007
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HDR's.

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LMAO! L. I. G. it man. Let it Go!

Remember guys...people only hate what they don't understand. And what they don't understand is how the program they couldn't use well enough to make it advantagous to them, is dominating the industry. I know it's a tough pill to swallow...but just get a bigger glass of water.

Seriously though...these arguments are futile. You can bitch and moan until forever...Pro Tools isn't going anywhere. Not sure I can say the same for every "mercenary" edition or modification you can dream up. Here's a thought. Why don't you guys do a Jim Williams / Mercenary edition of Pro Tools. Then Tony could sell it. That would ROCK! lol
Old 15th August 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fletcher View Post
This may be one of the dumbest polls I've seen yet!!

Congratulations!!

You forgot to add the response "Because I'm a sheep, and everyone else is using the miserable sounding crap"
Maybe you think it sounds like crap but until record companies start increasing budget's instead of cutting them Protools is hear to stay.
Instant recall, large mix configuations without spending a million dollars, session portability, scalable systems, automation everything, large scale I/O, great customer serivce anywhere you maybe working in the world, a company that listens to it's user base. A company that offfers hardware upgrades in a disposable industry.
There are many reasons (not just one) why Protools has more installed systems in more pro studios than all other systems combined.
Some us are not sheep and have been using the systems for many years.
Old 15th August 2007
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Quote:
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This may be one of the dumbest polls I've seen yet!!

Congratulations!!

You forgot to add the response "Because I'm a sheep, and everyone else is using the miserable sounding crap"
Wow. Insulting.
Old 15th August 2007
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Fletcher I hope your mixes stand up to the claims you make on the internet.

Jo
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Old 15th August 2007
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All of the above.
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