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Why do you need/use Pro Tools HD? Recorders, Players & Tape Machines
View Poll Results: Why do you need/use Pro Tools HD?
Stability
121 Votes - 57.62%
Simplicity / UI, less need for workarounds and manuals
94 Votes - 44.76%
"No" (low, fixed) latency
110 Votes - 52.38%
Better automation then the competition
54 Votes - 25.71%
I need plug-ins only available in the TDM format
45 Votes - 21.43%
Better monitoring during record than native solutions (no need to use 3rd part mixers)
66 Votes - 31.43%
Digidesign's converters (or compatible), 48-bit mix engine
20 Votes - 9.52%
Compatibility with others
112 Votes - 53.33%
I need a lot of I/Os and tracks
59 Votes - 28.10%
Autom. Plug-in Delay Compensation
81 Votes - 38.57%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 210. You may not vote on this poll

Old 14th September 2007
  #91
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Originally Posted by Stoneface View Post
LMAO! L. I. G. it man. Let it Go!

Remember guys...people only hate what they don't understand. And what they don't understand is how the program they couldn't use well enough to make it advantagous to them, is dominating the industry. I know it's a tough pill to swallow...but just get a bigger glass of water.

Seriously though...these arguments are futile. You can bitch and moan until forever...Pro Tools isn't going anywhere. Not sure I can say the same for every "mercenary" edition or modification you can dream up. Here's a thought. Why don't you guys do a Jim Williams / Mercenary edition of Pro Tools. Then Tony could sell it. That would ROCK! lol
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Old 14th September 2007
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Originally Posted by Fletcher View Post
This may be one of the dumbest polls I've seen yet!!

Congratulations!!

You forgot to add the response "Because I'm a sheep, and everyone else is using the miserable sounding crap"
Hehehe
Old 14th September 2007
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Compatibility is the #1 reason that Pro Tools is important to me. IMHO DAWs have very little to do with making good records.
Old 14th September 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fletcher View Post
This may be one of the dumbest polls I've seen yet!!

Congratulations!!

You forgot to add the response "Because I'm a sheep, and everyone else is using the miserable sounding crap"


THANK YOU
FLETCHER
Old 14th September 2007
  #95
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Originally Posted by Tony Shepperd View Post
Anything that can be done on a RADAR, can be done at least twice as fast on Pro Tools.

And as long as the GUI/Interface on RADAR stays in it's current form, that will always be the case.
Really? It can record twice as fast too?

That must be a hell of a money-saver working with orchestras.

So what about time-travelling or is that PT 8?
Old 14th September 2007
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You can't be that dense!
Editing is twice as fast.
Old 14th September 2007
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I've used most of the DAW's out there (pretty much everything but Sequoia and Reaper), and I've never found one with a workflow as fast and smooth as Pro Tools. Sure, you have to learn a few quick keys, but once you've got it down it's like lightning.
Old 13th October 2010
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Originally Posted by inandoutstudios View Post
that may be one of the dumbest posts i've ever seen.

How about the, "i'm a rebel and use (insert daw here) even though pt is prefectly sufficient for my recording needs"?

This is a thread about why we use pro tools. go record something in cubase or nuendo or logic or whatever you use and let us talk pro tools
so true.
Old 13th October 2010
  #99
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I'm a bit surprised at the folks that use something other than Protools would comment on this thread.
If you can't make protools sound good, isn't that more about your skills
than protools sucking as a daw?
Anywhoo, I use protools because I'm used to it, I tried the Paris Daw but it didn't have a very good control surface and the company went belly up.
I like protools for some of the other reasons but i do like the variety of control surfaces for it as well as the tdm plugs.
I think 8 is the best yet, can't wait to see what's next!
Old 13th October 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fletcher View Post
This may be one of the dumbest polls I've seen yet!!

Congratulations!!

You forgot to add the response "Because I'm a sheep, and everyone else is using the miserable sounding crap"
sad and a bit pathetic post.I was kinda interested about the poll.
Old 13th October 2010
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Originally Posted by TonyBelmont View Post
QUICK DISCLAIMER: If you read this whole thing, you will know why I prefer Logic over Pro Tools. If you care, then read the whole thing... If you don't, then don't read any of it. Barry, I hope you don't think I'm arguing with you I just want people to know my whole story, which a lot of people don't. You're still in your Pro Tools honeymoon period, anyway. hehI remember what it was like...
Tony, that's a great post... i feel exactly the same about PT... I ended up finding my way in Sonar... but for the same reasons, being a musician, having to make music... plus all the scoring features and the way it handles vst's and rewire... some of the stuff i do requires over 150 tracks... and my new computer can handle even more with a fraction of it's cpu...
Old 13th October 2010
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I normally only use Pro Tools when the studio I'm working in doesn't have Cubase 4 or 5, Nuendo 3-5, or Logic 7 or above.
I can't believe people are saying it's a bad DAW. It's a great DAW, but to get the full features you have to spent several K, and you get hardware with ok converters and a decent amount of I/Os for your buck. Considering Nuendo 5 is around $2.5k, and Logic Pro something like $600, this proves the most up-to-date popular DAWs with the same core features are expensive to the average home user, and reasonably-priced for a mid-end studio.
For budget users there's Pro Tools LE, which doesn't have the same capabilities as Cubase or Logic Express, but some people prefer LE to similarly-priced alternatives.

If I were to chose Pro Tools over any other DAW for my own home use, it would be because the Control 24 is around $3k used now. That's a bargain for a reliable, fully-integrated control surface.
Old 13th October 2010
  #103
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Frankly I don't see the point of the poll either other than to hype Pro Tools since they have some new stuff rolling out. Is this thread more about marketing than anything else? I also don't see a need to bash Fletcher or Jim for sharing their experiences/opinions. They tried it/listened to it's sound/know what you get for the cash outlay and found it lacking compared to other tools; so what, that's just their opinion for what it's worth. Listening to different gear/setups is the fun part of this stuff, form your own opinions. Jim records to the HD24XR, not a DAW. I thought Fletcher records to Radar but may be wrong about that.
Old 13th October 2010
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Originally Posted by Bassmankr View Post
Frankly I don't see the point of the poll either other than to hype Pro Tools since they have some new stuff rolling out.
Yeah, except that this thread was brought back from the boneyard - almost 4 years old......
Old 13th October 2010
  #105
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I also don't see a need to bash Fletcher or Jim for sharing their experiences/opinions.
Bash and thou shall be bashed tutt
Old 13th October 2010
  #106
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Old 13th October 2010
  #107
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Yeah, except that this thread was brought back from the boneyard - almost 4 years old......
!!!!!
4 year old thread and still people chatting about the "outdated" PTHD.Spot the irony
Old 8th November 2010
  #108
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None of the above.

#11 Clients. (Needed to stay in business.)
Old 8th November 2010
  #109
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Why do you need/use Pro Tools HD?

Man i hate that 1001001 Rush song!!!

Arrrrgh!!


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Old 15th January 2011
  #110
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KAY

Kay kay girlz,
today you can get an hd 3 accel and a 192 with an i/o expansion for under 5k
i like hearing my sounds while i'm tracking
i can use 5 plugs (eq, comp, distortion, spacial information,limiting,fx's etc.)
i'm a poor man can't afford such set ups in the analog world, nor would ever attempt to.
Is there any other daw where you could do such thing
*trackin 20 diffrent tracks with 5 plugs and 3 sends each, plus 4 diffrent headphone mixes*
with no latency??
Anything even close , for under 5k?
Add a control 24 for $2500
anything close?
Pro tools sounds great i think you guyz should post links of your work along with your big ass old mouth /see fletcher,
tony

cheers
Old 15th January 2011
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Beating a dead horse? :-)

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Originally Posted by thecementmachine View Post

i can use 5 plugs (eq, comp, distortion, spacial information,limiting,fx's etc.)
I have nothing against TDM, and in some settings TDM will make a difference. But even Avid reps now say that one get get the low latency and stability one expects from a professional HD system in PT HD Native. All this has a lot to do with available power vs. buffer settings. Look here:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/4663713-post289.html

Adding a normal EQ/comp doesn't add extra latency in non-TDM systems (but check the Waves info below!). 'Spacial information', if you mean delays/reverbs don't add extra latency to the dry signal in non-TDM systems either, because they are usually used as sends, not inserts. Latency in a distortion plugin depends on the algorithm used.

Amp Farm, which I used when I was a TDM user, added latency due to it's algorithm, but such algorithms don't add more latency in non-TDM systems. In the case of Amp Farm TDM, the latency was circa 0.4 ms @ 44.1). Waves Renaissance compressor (TDM) and Waves L1 (TDM) added almost 1.5 ms latency - each!


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*trackin 20 diffrent tracks with 5 plugs and 3 sends each, plus 4 diffrent headphone mixes*
100 plugins and a high amount of sends isn't a problem on a modern computer. The extra latency in non-TDM systems mainly comes from the buffers, but with low buffer settings the latencies (except those coming from special algorithms and 'slow' converters like the 192 I/O) are minimal. The difference between a good native system and your rig, when insert are used in the monitoring chain, is still only around 1 ms. When inserts are not needed during record, the latency is lower in most native systems (with fast converters).

Since since native systems today have much more power than the HD systems that have been used in recording systems in loads of pro studies since TDM became a standard, the situation is very different from what it eg. was in 2007. Or in the 1870s, when TDM first was used!

With all due respect - we are beating a more or less dead horse here. After HD Native was introduced, discussions like this have calmed down because even Avid - who has made a lot of $ on selling TDM systems - now have joined the group of people who says that CPUs and converters available today are stable and fast enough for professional audio work. Faster converters is an important part of this.

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with no latency??
See above. TDM systems, especially when using the 192 I/O, aren't latency free. The main latency generator in your system (HD+192 I/O) - which would be close to 3 ms with eg. an Amp Farm inserted - is your interface.

The roundtrip you have @ 44.1 is circa 2.4 ms even without the latency caused by the special algorithms which add latency. And again: these algos add latency independent of whether the system is a native or a TDM system.

Just like the converters, the algos don't really know if the audio they process comes from a TDM system or not, because TDM has nothing to do with it. TDM is important for bypassing the CPU in cases where the buffer causes latency, but that's a... different department; a department which is important for some people in some situations, but which for most DAW users doesn't represent a problem.
Old 15th January 2011
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I'm a huge native fan, who also had two TDM systems, and there is much truth in what both sides say.

AVID does tout the native system, but also remains committed to DSP systems and considers TDM their flagship product to this day, even with Native available.

I had the HD Native system, really liked it, noticed no latency etc, but eventually sold it and went back to Logic. PT is just too inefficient at this moment for my personal needs (composing), but remains a juggernaut for typical audio recording and mixing.

If someone told me I was going to be working with a top pop star tomorrow afternoon who would be doing some tracking, and some mixing, and asked me what gear I wanted to use, I would not think for a moment, I would say "Get me the biggest TDM system you have." Because as much as it seems to be a cliche, they do "just work." Native is still filled with oddball moments of "System Overload" which can caused by any ten things and I wouldn't want to be chasing it down during an important session. I have used both and am very familiar with their capabilities.

JMHO.

TH
Old 15th January 2011
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There is "zero latency", and then there is "effectively zero latency".

Reminds of an old joke regarding the difference between engineers and mathematicians. An engineer and mathematician (both men) stand on one side of a room. On the other side of the room are two women facing the men. Every minute they move toward each other half the distance that separates them. The mathematician, frustrated, says, "This will go on for eternity". The engineer says, "In a few minutes it'll be close enough to be practical".

Certainly enough plugs on a TDM track can cause a problem, but I have only heard complaints couple of times, and never when I was using only EQ and compression on a track.
Old 16th January 2011
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Originally Posted by InandOutStudios View Post
That may be one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen.

How about the, "I'm a rebel and use (Insert DAW here) even though PT is prefectly sufficient for my recording needs"?

This is a thread about why we use pro tools. Go record something in Cubase or Nuendo or Logic or whatever you use and let us talk Pro Tools
Naw... But it's definitely one of the funniest!!! heh
Old 24th January 2011
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Man i hate that 1001001 Rush song!!!

Arrrrgh!!


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That's not even a real binary number, it only has 7 digits. :P
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