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Which racked vintage channel strip eqs worth having?
Old 30th October 2019
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Which racked vintage channel strip eqs worth having?

curious which vintage solid state racked console eq are worth getting. preamps as well, often bundled with eq, but I'm largely covered with preamps, so more eq focused.

Having gotten into the pro audio side of this this field relatively recently, I didn't grow up with consoles, so I can't say I know a Calrec from a Cadac, whether MCI JH-500 or Auditronics or Melcor or Ward Beck or Trident 80 or ADM or Amtek or Studer are worth it, or which of the zillion Neve models other than the really famous ones (1073, 1084) are worth chasing down (33135?!)?

Which ones are good, which to be avoided, which are worth buying to get racked, which not, which are better than which others, etc? Where does one even start to learn this? Or do modern 500 series eq sound 'as good', or is it, like with so much else in high end, that last 5 percent? Are there good places to buy these, or the standard Ebay and Reverb.com? I'm surprised just how few of these are available there, so guessing they are hiding with dealers or something. Or is there a solid reason NOT to buy these (ie: destroying classic consoles, but are these really being used much any more)? Are there any of these that aren't beyond insanely priced (ie: below 3k per pair or less) that beat out new 500 series offering?

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Old 30th October 2019
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Old 31st October 2019
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Have you tried Acustica?
Old 31st October 2019
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Have you tried Acustica?


For the record, I have tried their stuff every couple of years for the last decade. The last one I tried was the Greg Wells signature plug. Once the shine wears off, I'm never left impressed, and that's just talking about the sound, not the workflow, stability, CPU usage....etc.....

Seriously when did Gearslutz become
Q: Hey what vintage channel strips do you like?
A: Have you tried these plugins?

edit: not to say plugins wouldn't be useful in this case to "test drive" a bunch of different gear to get an idea of what you'd like in the flesh, but algorithmic plugs will work just fine in this case. i'm still totally confused by all the praise for the Acustica Sand compressor...loaded it up, it didn't sound or react like any compressor I have ever used, physical or plugin, let alone anything close to a SSL bus comp...
Old 31st October 2019
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I'm kinda surprised that when I searched for this topic, very little came up, and now that I posted about it, very few people are answering. Is there something I'm not getting about this?

I was recently in a small studio where this guy had a pair of tan MCI eq that he said he liked the sound of. Didn't get to hear them, but they certainly made me curious. I always figured racked up neve units were unobtanium, but perhaps there are other racked channel strips with MCI or other units that are worth investigating. Only its a ton of names I haven't heard before. I figured lots of folks use these sorts of things in studios these days, but maybe not?
Old 31st October 2019
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I'm kinda surprised that when I searched for this topic, very little came up, and now that I posted about it, very few people are answering. Is there something I'm not getting about this?

I was recently in a small studio where this guy had a pair of tan MCI eq that he said he liked the sound of. Didn't get to hear them, but they certainly made me curious. I always figured racked up neve units were unobtanium, but perhaps there are other racked channel strips with MCI or other units that are worth investigating. Only its a ton of names I haven't heard before. I figured lots of folks use these sorts of things in studios these days, but maybe not?
In some sense your question is extremely broad. Since racked vintage channel strips are bought purely for their "colour" and less as a utility as they were originally designed, it's really down to personal preference, taste and workflow as to what you want to have.

MCI, Ward Beck, Calrec, Trident, Yellow, Blue, Green, Orange.....

As you say yourself, you don't know the differences between a lot of these manufacturers' stuff, so read up, see if you can find sound samples and see what starts to inspire you...then maybe come back with more specific models to ask about?
Old 31st October 2019
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Understood. What I'm looking for is color, not utility. Which color? Nice, thick, nice saturation but not lofi, often inductors help, the sort of thing you can't get from plugins.

I found this, which is a really helpful start, but would be nice to fill in some of the blanks and expand upon it. It's a bit of a roadmap to orient in the otherwise confusing landscape. Also worth saying this is sales propaganda, so unlikely to say anything sounds truly crappy. From http://vintagecity.de/


Microphone & Line Preamplifiers

AUDIX 35102
British-made with mic/line inputs & EQ. Commissioned by BBC in the 70's to the same specs as the Neve 33114. Same frequency points and similar architecture. Airy top-end and tight yet full lows with a wonderfully sweet sounding inductor based EQ section.

CALREC PQ1161
Discrete British-made with mic/line inputs & EQ. Commissioned by BBC in the 70's to the same specs as the Neve 33114. Same frequency points and architecture and similar sound. Silky top end and nice and punchy with a smooth sounding inductor based EQ.

NEUMANN PMV 70
70's all discrete w/ transformer balanced in's and out's. A bit softer and rounder than their V476B offspring yet beautifully smooth and defined with a clear yet warm feel. Extremely high signal/noise ratio & 76 dB gain make them an absolute must-have for ribbon mic enthusiasts.

NEUMANN PV 76
Neumann's first 76dB solid-state mic pre with adjustable gain. Simply stellar late 60's discrete circuit construction. Transformer coupled inputs and outputs, two active inductors, and an additional transformer per channel give these a wonderfully unique presence and thickness.

NEUMANN V476B
Punchy yet well-defined classics from Neumann. All discrete w/ transformer balanced in's and out's, these have a smooth mid-range definition and color character that one would expect from Neumann. The most widely used of Neumann's preamps. Often w/ consecutive serial numbers.

P.E.I. SERIES 10
Maryland made transformerless mic/line preamps with up to 70 dB of gain. The circuit is super clear, quiet, and direct. A very natural sounding module where what comes in goes out with very little compromising of the signal source.

RCA BA-72A
Made in Camden New Jersey, these mid-sixties preamps sport all discrete circuitry with input and output transformers. These four transitor versions are a very excellent match with your high output condenser microphones to achieve a very smooth and classic tone and are also very nice on anything needing a big and thick low-end.

RFT MV810/2
From the East German broadcast technology conglomerate RFT (Radio Fernseh Technik- means "Radio Television Technology/Engineering"), these all discrete preamps are astonishingly well built. With a design likely overseen by Telefunken (ELA-Technik) engineers, these are rich, and warm throughout and soft and silky on the top. RFT V742C line amps of similar design available for complete rack.

RFZ KV-800
Built in East Berlin, these preamps are very well built and their design was likely overseen by Telefunken (ELA-Technik) engineers. All discrete w/ mic and line inputs these are seriously punchy, quiet, and a bit aggressive w/ rather large input transformers.

SIEMENS PM-UV
These West German preamps feature mic inputs, 76dB of gain, and very nice input and output transformers. Punchy in the low-end yet possessing a nice mid-range presence, these fall somewhere in-between a Telefunken V672/2 and a Neumann V476B in sound.

TELEFUNKEN V672
Made in West Germany, these all discrete amplifiers can be modified into an excellent sounding, very well-rounded preamp with tight yet full low-end and a great mid-range presence. These feature absolutely stellar input and output transformers and 65dB gain once modified and racked.

TELEFUNKEN V672/2
Made in West Germany, these amplifiers can be modified into an excellent sounding, very well-rounded preamp that sounds somewhere in-between a V672 and a V676A. These feature absolutely stellar input and output transformers (generally different output XFRM's than the V672) and 65dB gain once modified and racked.

TELEFUNKEN V676A
The most widely known of West German transistor based preamps, these feature 76dB of gain and mic and line inputs. These have a brilliant top-end to them and sound very open and airy, yet tight and solid in the low end.

Channelstrips

AUDITRONICS 110B
Made in Nashville, these beauties feature a discrete mic/line input section, a very handy and smooth EQ, large Jenson input transformers, and a nicely round low-end. Superior sound is achieved when they are custom racked and modified rather than in the original consoles.

NEOTEK SERIES 1
From Chicago, these have mic/line inputs and are quiet and incredibly lifelike with a very musical EQ. These things build up really well when it comes mix time and a slight low-mid warmth gives them an added bump over typical transfomerless mic pre's.

NEOTEK SERIES 1E
Virtually the same as the Series 1 except with an absolutely stellar four band sweepable EQ section. The EQ is very smooth and musical with narrow Q options for added precision if desired. These are real versatile workhorses & are absolutely killer with Sowter or St. Ives trafos.

STUDER 169
These Swiss made channels are our best selling items to date. These feature transformer balanced mic/line inputs and inductor based EQ & were designed for location music recording. They're ultra smooth and clear with a very gentle yet warm color plus a dream of a musical EQ.


Filters/Equalizers

ANT W695B
These West German EQ's have 3 bands with 11 center frequencies and a 3-position Q-switch per band long with transformer balanced inputs and outputs. Designed as mastering EQ’s, they are smooth and clear, with a slightly aggressive/punchy presence. Often new old stock out of the box, these are very flexible and come often w/ consecutive numbers.

ANT W696B (sold out)
Virtually the same as the W695B except with high and low pass filters and a slightly different frequency scheme. As with the W695B, the design is based on late 70's designs from the Swiss company Filtek. Often new old stock out of the box with consecutive serial numbers.

BFE MK5B
Based on the original Swiss design by their Filtek predecessor, the German company BFE designed these 3 band EQ's. Each band has 12 center frequencies and a 2-position Q-switch per band with transformer balanced inputs and outputs. Designed as mastering EQ’s, they are smooth and clear with excellent input and output transformers.
FILTEK MK4
Designed in Switzerland in the late 70's, each of 3 beautifully overlapping bands has 11 center frequencies. These are clear and super quiet with bit of warmth, and have input and output transformers plus a very nicely shaped Q-curve. Often new old stock out of the box.

NEUMANN PEV
The first EQ from Neumann and brother to the PV-76 preamps, these feature amazing discrete interior construction with transformer balanced inputs and outputs and a high quality Neumann active inductor per band. Their sound and color are absolutely unique and fantastic.

NEUMANN W491A
With three beautifully overlapping bands each with 11 center frequencies and a two position Q-switch, these are nicely smooth with a very gentle color character. They are nicely flexible and are a very powerful mix-bus quality frequency-shaping tool.

NEUMANN W495B
Widely regarded as the best EQ's made by Neumann, these were found originally on all Neumann mastering transfer desks and often on the stereo bus of Neumann consoles. They are all discrete with input and output transformers & three smooth and very sweet sounding bands.

RFZ FB-80
Built in East Berlin and distributed by RFT, these all-discrete 3-band passive shelving EQ's were very well built and likely designed by Telefunken (ELA-Technik) engineers. Due to their very solid and punchy low-end tone, they are very nice on drums.

SIEMENS W295B
Made is West Germany, these discrete 3-band classics have great low-end and some of THE smoothest and silkiest highs we’ve ever heard (including Pultec, GML and others). They have a nicely present color and transformer balanced inputs and outputs. Serious tone shapers.

TAB W95C
These were the first West German made transistor based 3-band EQ's and sport perhaps the coolest knobs we’ve ever seen. They have a nicely present color with a smooth high end, active inductors, and transformer balanced inputs and outputs. Again, serious tone shapers.

TELDEC MPE30
Custom designed for the classical mastering division of Teldec Records, these discrete stereo mastering program equalizers are passive with fixed high and low shelving EQ's. They're rather difficult to get to sound harsh or muddy and are very rare. Great on the 2-bus.

TELEFUNKEN W695
These 3-band discrete classics were designed with tone shaping in mind. Lows are full yet unmuddied, highs are smooth, and they have some nice and chunky guitar pleasing mids. EQ'ing always seems to bring out a warm and pleasant color character yet they are clear enough to strap on the mix-bus without worries of excessive phase distortion.

Dynamics Control (Compressor/Limiters)

BARTH U311
Made in Hamburg, these mastering compressor/limiter/gates use the DBX 202 VCA (used in the original SSL G Series mix bus compressors). They are nicely flexible and tend to be more on the clear side, but their sound ranges from subtle to creamy when pushed hard.

BFE BKE4
These German mastering compressor/limiter/de-essers are based on the Neumann U473 design and have transformer balanced inputs and outputs. They're nicely flexible and super clear and you can do rather large amounts of gain reduction without significant tone alteration.

EMT 256
These compressor/expanders from the German legends at EMT have transformer-balanced inputs and outputs and are definitely one of a kind units. Their sound ranges from clear with moderate levels to squishy in the realm of a Fairchild when pushed harder.

EMT 261
Virtually the same as the 256 in architecture, but these are also limiters and can be even more drastic than the 256's when pushed hard. They have a different internal wiring scheme (but the actual circuit is quite similar), and 12dB of makeup gain rather than 18dB on the 256.

FILTEK BKE1
These Swiss made mastering compressor/limiter/expanders with a de-esser setting have transformer balanced inputs and outputs and are very smooth, detailed, and quite transparent. Mixbus quality.

PACIFIC RECORDERS MULTIMAX
Made in San Diego by one of the top 70's/80's broadcast audio manufacturers in the United States, these 3-band multi-band compressor/limiters have Jensen transformer balanced inputs and outputs, low, mid, and high band compression options, and are designed for broadcast stereo program use.

SIEMENS U273
These West German discrete compressor/limiters have transformer-balanced inputs and outputs & are reported to have been the inspiration for the first Neve 225x series compressors. They are very smooth and round at normal levels and when pushed they are a great thick, squashed, and/or grainy effect. Can be modified to have ratio, threshold and release controls.

TELEFUNKEN/TAB U373A
These West German discrete compressor/limiters have transformer balanced inputs and outputs, a progressive ratio curve (the harder you hit it, the more it compresses), and a fast attack time of around 1ms. They sound quite punchy and can be real smashers when pushed into limiting

Last edited by fromthepuggle; 31st October 2019 at 09:25 AM..
Old 31st October 2019
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Ooo! Just found this, tons of info here on individual consoles and their modules: https://www.proaudioeurope.com/info/...ixing-consoles
Old 31st October 2019
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Cool resources, thanks!! :)
Old 31st October 2019
  #10
Depending on the tone you're looking for any could be worth having - the price on the other hand may not. For example - why pay a premium for a racked pair of Neve/SSL modules for a similar price as a new Neve/SSL rack if it offers comparable sonic properties? This is definitely something to consider researching. However, there is of course the vintage sonic quality of certain modules so i'd advise knowing what you want before spending a few G's.
Old 31st October 2019
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...Seriously when did Gearslutz become
Q: Hey what vintage channel strips do you like?
A: Have you tried these plugins?...
Right? I ask myself this all of the time. I miss 10+ years ago Gearslutz when it was pros discussing techniques, hardware GAS’ing and noobs asking pros how they record in the big studio. Now it’s, Plugins are better than hardware, plugin GAS’ing, and noobs telling everyone how it’s done!

I’m exaggerating of course. But there is much more noise on 2019 gearslutz. Pluginslutz??
Old 31st October 2019
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Originally Posted by fromthepuggle View Post
Understood. What I'm looking for is color, not utility. Which color? Nice, thick, nice saturation but not lofi, often inductors help, the sort of thing you can't get from plugins.

I found this, which is a really helpful start, but would be nice to fill in some of the blanks and expand upon it. It's a bit of a roadmap to orient in the otherwise confusing landscape. Also worth saying this is sales propaganda, so unlikely to say anything sounds truly crappy. From http://vintagecity.de/


Microphone & Line Preamplifiers

AUDIX 35102
British-made with mic/line inputs & EQ. Commissioned by BBC in the 70's to the same specs as the Neve 33114. Same frequency points and similar architecture. Airy top-end and tight yet full lows with a wonderfully sweet sounding inductor based EQ section.

CALREC PQ1161
Discrete British-made with mic/line inputs & EQ. Commissioned by BBC in the 70's to the same specs as the Neve 33114. Same frequency points and architecture and similar sound. Silky top end and nice and punchy with a smooth sounding inductor based EQ.

NEUMANN PMV 70
70's all discrete w/ transformer balanced in's and out's. A bit softer and rounder than their V476B offspring yet beautifully smooth and defined with a clear yet warm feel. Extremely high signal/noise ratio & 76 dB gain make them an absolute must-have for ribbon mic enthusiasts.

NEUMANN PV 76
Neumann's first 76dB solid-state mic pre with adjustable gain. Simply stellar late 60's discrete circuit construction. Transformer coupled inputs and outputs, two active inductors, and an additional transformer per channel give these a wonderfully unique presence and thickness.

NEUMANN V476B
Punchy yet well-defined classics from Neumann. All discrete w/ transformer balanced in's and out's, these have a smooth mid-range definition and color character that one would expect from Neumann. The most widely used of Neumann's preamps. Often w/ consecutive serial numbers.

P.E.I. SERIES 10
Maryland made transformerless mic/line preamps with up to 70 dB of gain. The circuit is super clear, quiet, and direct. A very natural sounding module where what comes in goes out with very little compromising of the signal source.

RCA BA-72A
Made in Camden New Jersey, these mid-sixties preamps sport all discrete circuitry with input and output transformers. These four transitor versions are a very excellent match with your high output condenser microphones to achieve a very smooth and classic tone and are also very nice on anything needing a big and thick low-end.

RFT MV810/2
From the East German broadcast technology conglomerate RFT (Radio Fernseh Technik- means "Radio Television Technology/Engineering"), these all discrete preamps are astonishingly well built. With a design likely overseen by Telefunken (ELA-Technik) engineers, these are rich, and warm throughout and soft and silky on the top. RFT V742C line amps of similar design available for complete rack.

RFZ KV-800
Built in East Berlin, these preamps are very well built and their design was likely overseen by Telefunken (ELA-Technik) engineers. All discrete w/ mic and line inputs these are seriously punchy, quiet, and a bit aggressive w/ rather large input transformers.

SIEMENS PM-UV
These West German preamps feature mic inputs, 76dB of gain, and very nice input and output transformers. Punchy in the low-end yet possessing a nice mid-range presence, these fall somewhere in-between a Telefunken V672/2 and a Neumann V476B in sound.

TELEFUNKEN V672
Made in West Germany, these all discrete amplifiers can be modified into an excellent sounding, very well-rounded preamp with tight yet full low-end and a great mid-range presence. These feature absolutely stellar input and output transformers and 65dB gain once modified and racked.

TELEFUNKEN V672/2
Made in West Germany, these amplifiers can be modified into an excellent sounding, very well-rounded preamp that sounds somewhere in-between a V672 and a V676A. These feature absolutely stellar input and output transformers (generally different output XFRM's than the V672) and 65dB gain once modified and racked.

TELEFUNKEN V676A
The most widely known of West German transistor based preamps, these feature 76dB of gain and mic and line inputs. These have a brilliant top-end to them and sound very open and airy, yet tight and solid in the low end.

Channelstrips

AUDITRONICS 110B
Made in Nashville, these beauties feature a discrete mic/line input section, a very handy and smooth EQ, large Jenson input transformers, and a nicely round low-end. Superior sound is achieved when they are custom racked and modified rather than in the original consoles.

NEOTEK SERIES 1
From Chicago, these have mic/line inputs and are quiet and incredibly lifelike with a very musical EQ. These things build up really well when it comes mix time and a slight low-mid warmth gives them an added bump over typical transfomerless mic pre's.

NEOTEK SERIES 1E
Virtually the same as the Series 1 except with an absolutely stellar four band sweepable EQ section. The EQ is very smooth and musical with narrow Q options for added precision if desired. These are real versatile workhorses & are absolutely killer with Sowter or St. Ives trafos.

STUDER 169
These Swiss made channels are our best selling items to date. These feature transformer balanced mic/line inputs and inductor based EQ & were designed for location music recording. They're ultra smooth and clear with a very gentle yet warm color plus a dream of a musical EQ.


Filters/Equalizers

ANT W695B
These West German EQ's have 3 bands with 11 center frequencies and a 3-position Q-switch per band long with transformer balanced inputs and outputs. Designed as mastering EQ’s, they are smooth and clear, with a slightly aggressive/punchy presence. Often new old stock out of the box, these are very flexible and come often w/ consecutive numbers.

ANT W696B (sold out)
Virtually the same as the W695B except with high and low pass filters and a slightly different frequency scheme. As with the W695B, the design is based on late 70's designs from the Swiss company Filtek. Often new old stock out of the box with consecutive serial numbers.

BFE MK5B
Based on the original Swiss design by their Filtek predecessor, the German company BFE designed these 3 band EQ's. Each band has 12 center frequencies and a 2-position Q-switch per band with transformer balanced inputs and outputs. Designed as mastering EQ’s, they are smooth and clear with excellent input and output transformers.
FILTEK MK4
Designed in Switzerland in the late 70's, each of 3 beautifully overlapping bands has 11 center frequencies. These are clear and super quiet with bit of warmth, and have input and output transformers plus a very nicely shaped Q-curve. Often new old stock out of the box.

NEUMANN PEV
The first EQ from Neumann and brother to the PV-76 preamps, these feature amazing discrete interior construction with transformer balanced inputs and outputs and a high quality Neumann active inductor per band. Their sound and color are absolutely unique and fantastic.

NEUMANN W491A
With three beautifully overlapping bands each with 11 center frequencies and a two position Q-switch, these are nicely smooth with a very gentle color character. They are nicely flexible and are a very powerful mix-bus quality frequency-shaping tool.

NEUMANN W495B
Widely regarded as the best EQ's made by Neumann, these were found originally on all Neumann mastering transfer desks and often on the stereo bus of Neumann consoles. They are all discrete with input and output transformers & three smooth and very sweet sounding bands.

RFZ FB-80
Built in East Berlin and distributed by RFT, these all-discrete 3-band passive shelving EQ's were very well built and likely designed by Telefunken (ELA-Technik) engineers. Due to their very solid and punchy low-end tone, they are very nice on drums.

SIEMENS W295B
Made is West Germany, these discrete 3-band classics have great low-end and some of THE smoothest and silkiest highs we’ve ever heard (including Pultec, GML and others). They have a nicely present color and transformer balanced inputs and outputs. Serious tone shapers.

TAB W95C
These were the first West German made transistor based 3-band EQ's and sport perhaps the coolest knobs we’ve ever seen. They have a nicely present color with a smooth high end, active inductors, and transformer balanced inputs and outputs. Again, serious tone shapers.

TELDEC MPE30
Custom designed for the classical mastering division of Teldec Records, these discrete stereo mastering program equalizers are passive with fixed high and low shelving EQ's. They're rather difficult to get to sound harsh or muddy and are very rare. Great on the 2-bus.

TELEFUNKEN W695
These 3-band discrete classics were designed with tone shaping in mind. Lows are full yet unmuddied, highs are smooth, and they have some nice and chunky guitar pleasing mids. EQ'ing always seems to bring out a warm and pleasant color character yet they are clear enough to strap on the mix-bus without worries of excessive phase distortion.

Dynamics Control (Compressor/Limiters)

BARTH U311
Made in Hamburg, these mastering compressor/limiter/gates use the DBX 202 VCA (used in the original SSL G Series mix bus compressors). They are nicely flexible and tend to be more on the clear side, but their sound ranges from subtle to creamy when pushed hard.

BFE BKE4
These German mastering compressor/limiter/de-essers are based on the Neumann U473 design and have transformer balanced inputs and outputs. They're nicely flexible and super clear and you can do rather large amounts of gain reduction without significant tone alteration.

EMT 256
These compressor/expanders from the German legends at EMT have transformer-balanced inputs and outputs and are definitely one of a kind units. Their sound ranges from clear with moderate levels to squishy in the realm of a Fairchild when pushed harder.

EMT 261
Virtually the same as the 256 in architecture, but these are also limiters and can be even more drastic than the 256's when pushed hard. They have a different internal wiring scheme (but the actual circuit is quite similar), and 12dB of makeup gain rather than 18dB on the 256.

FILTEK BKE1
These Swiss made mastering compressor/limiter/expanders with a de-esser setting have transformer balanced inputs and outputs and are very smooth, detailed, and quite transparent. Mixbus quality.

PACIFIC RECORDERS MULTIMAX
Made in San Diego by one of the top 70's/80's broadcast audio manufacturers in the United States, these 3-band multi-band compressor/limiters have Jensen transformer balanced inputs and outputs, low, mid, and high band compression options, and are designed for broadcast stereo program use.

SIEMENS U273
These West German discrete compressor/limiters have transformer-balanced inputs and outputs & are reported to have been the inspiration for the first Neve 225x series compressors. They are very smooth and round at normal levels and when pushed they are a great thick, squashed, and/or grainy effect. Can be modified to have ratio, threshold and release controls.

TELEFUNKEN/TAB U373A
These West German discrete compressor/limiters have transformer balanced inputs and outputs, a progressive ratio curve (the harder you hit it, the more it compresses), and a fast attack time of around 1ms. They sound quite punchy and can be real smashers when pushed into limiting
This is a serious post! Thanks for the info.
Old 31st October 2019
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You guys are funny.
Look it’s fun, if you have time, i’ve done it.
In fact i have a bunch of Ward Beck/Mccurdy stuff etc that i will sell you!
Otherwise send me a note in 3 years after you have your fun racking up a bunch of old gear, piping it in through inserts, recalling and repairing.
Maybe then you’ll do a close comparison with the aqua stuff and see what i mean.
Old 31st October 2019
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You guys are funny.
Look it’s fun, if you have time, i’ve done it.
In fact i have a bunch of Ward Beck/Mccurdy stuff etc that i will sell you!
Otherwise send me a note in 3 years after you have your fun racking up a bunch of old gear, piping it in through inserts, recalling and repairing.
Maybe then you’ll do a close comparison with the aqua stuff and see what i mean.
The workflow doesn't have to tedious...I print analog inserts back as audio and move on, I never "put up a mix" onto my gear so-to-speak. If small changes have to be made at that point, I'll use plugins, and if it needs to be substancially different, I'll probably be starting from scratch anyway. Regardless, I can write down the settings used during the bounce so there's no time wasted.

Repair is par for the course with vintage gear and one is hopefully aware of this before jumping in...
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You just put up a large swath of another website’s original content, which wasn’t cool.

Also, as was politely stated, this post is lazy. You should do some homework and not expect people to hold your hand. Stealing another site’s content and reposting it did nothing for you, especially since it was all marketing copy.
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You forgot

Calrec 1061/PQ14 and 15 preamp eq’s

Aengus EQ

Sphere preamps and EQ

Neotek are cool consoles.. I have one and love it but not worth any money tacked as they won’t have much resale and much better sounding new channels are available for not much more.
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focusrite 215...pre is cool but the eq is golden.

ej
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Regret selling my 115 recently
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Any Quad Eight MM series EQ...some of the best sound you’ll hear.
Langevin 251 or 253 EQ’s... doesn’t get much better than these except for..
Altec 9061A EQ’s.
I will also throw in the original Electrodyne 711 or 712 (graphic) EQ’s as well.

Have fun.
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Originally Posted by Wiggy Neve Slut View Post
You forgot

Calrec 1061/PQ14 and 15 preamp eq’s

Aengus EQ

Sphere preamps and EQ

Neotek are cool consoles..
and many more!
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Any Quad Eight MM series EQ.
I had a chance to get one of those Quad Eight boards back in the 80's but it was completely disassembled and I would have had to buy it as is/untested. I still wonder what that would've sounded like if I could've gotten it up and running.

I have a Neotek 1E, which has a high quality, clean, very natural sound with a powerful eq section. I'd stay away from early Neotek slices if you're looking for color.

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I had a chance to get one of those Quad Eight boards back in the 80's but it was completely disassembled and I would have had to buy it as is/untested. I still wonder what that would've sounded like if I could've gotten it up and running.

I have a Neotek 1E, which has a high quality, clean, very natural sound with a powerful eq section. I'd stay away from early Neotek slices if you're looking for color.
Well if it was filled with any MM series modules (MM310, 311 or 312) it would sound better than any Neve 10XX module IMHO. I only know this from having, owning and using both at the same time. I had a Neve BCM10 full of 1073 modules and Q8 revealed much more detail while still having all the weight and punch.

I also later owned a Pacifica console but that didn’t sound as good as the earlier series... by then they started using chips in the EQ section and it had a more transistor type sound. Got rid of that when I restored my old Electrodyne console.

Now I just have a simple 12x3 Langevin based tube console. The best sounding console I’ve ever owned... not the most convenient but I’ll take sound quality over convenience any day of the week.
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You just put up a large swath of another website’s original content, which wasn’t cool.

Also, as was politely stated, this post is lazy. You should do some homework and not expect people to hold your hand. Stealing another site’s content and reposting it did nothing for you, especially since it was all marketing copy.
Sorry, wasn't my intent to pirate anyone. I can take it down. I put up the content because it seemed helpful. I'm not selling anything. Did nothing for me? I found something, and felt it would be helpful to share. Lazy? It took extra work to format it correctly to be legible, the opposite of lazy. Handholding? It takes hours scouring this and related forums to get any information on this stuff these days. Hours and hours of scouring are often saved when someone takes 2 sec to give a few hints to point in the right direction. I do that all the time for noobs in my area of expertise, but in this area, I'm a noob. Isn't helping out what this site is all about? Sometimes people just like to grump.
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