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How many Platinum Engineers prefer to mix ITB Consoles
Old 25th September 2011
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I believe with all of them, it's about budget, Mike Shipley has also mixed records on consoles, I think the Maroon 5, and Tchad Blake was working out of Real World when there's a budget., Massenburg I don't know about
I don't think so. I can't think of one artist either Mike or Tchad has mixed that couldn't afford to go to a conventional SSL studio. I think it's about a sound and preference. Sometimes you want ITB. Sometimes you want OTB. But ultimately those guys don't compromise on their sound for moneys sake.
Old 25th September 2011
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I'm wondering how many "platinum" engineers from this years old thread are still platinum? How many records sell platinum anymore? Do they present you with a platinum Ipod or something? Do you get a MP-3 certificate too? Or a new DAW in platinum?

And what's so bad being a golden engineer? I don't see gangsta rappers wearing platinum, they still prefer gold.
Old 26th September 2011
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A little mentioned area of the "high end mixing spectrum" are the digital console guys like Alan Meyerson, Frank Filipetti, Steve Rodby, Dickie Chappel, Mick Guzauski - delivering fantastic mixes within their genres on Sony Oxfords, Neve Capricorns or System 5s. Not shure how much analog outboard is involved in their cases.

Digital OTB.
Frank Filipetti stated in his webinar at Avid.com that once he's ITB, that's where he stays. He's got tons of cool outboard, but that's all for tracking or so he says. He's currently using HD Native (but I believe he's still using 192s or Apogee for AD/DA) an Antelope w/Atomic Clock, UAD2 Quad which he raved about and a D-Command.

I've got a old DA7 digital which sounds pretty good. 24 In & Out via an older RME Hammerfall on PT 9, but I'm building a new room and thinking hard about going strictly ITB with Native & a C24 (I've also got an old Spectrasonics 1020 console I may break out into a 16 -20 channel racked front end). Times are definitely changing.
Old 26th September 2011
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It's been a few years since I've gone "plantinum", but I really prefer NOT mixing ITB. I've done every permutation....ITB, hybrid with summing, with a console....and I definately would put totally ITB dead last from a sonic and sounstage perspective. Also, I really prefer hardware compressors for some things. As much as I try, I have not gotten the same mojo from ITB as I can with an analog component to the chain.

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Old 18th May 2018
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I recently parted ways with my Neve 8816. I realize that one can’t determine outboard Summing vs. ITB by comparing only one type of gear but in the end I was finding the Neve “softened “ things. Some styles of music benefited from this but in the end for most of the styles of music I work on I was missing the “forward” ness of the Protools output by itself. I believe now with the new Audio engine in Protools any advantage from analog Summing isn’t worth the expense
Old 18th May 2018
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I have a thread about this same thing. I'm not seeing any benefit to summing. It maybe different, but I don't feel it's beneficial.
Old 18th May 2018
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At the top level, All in the box is a matter of time and cost. Things can be done faster in the box with total recall. However, tracking still takes a good front end, so the need for analog equipment will not go away from a long time no matter how you mix. Eventually we will only have have digital mics, but that time is a long ways off yet.

Mix's can be good enough all ITB for less money. Maximum quality is still an all analog thing when it comes to mixing. I have only found one thing I like about all ITB mixing I like better than analog, and that's panning/surround. The stereo image is maintained from mic's though mix better in the box. Dynamic's effects, EQ's everything but panning, I prefer analog.
Old 18th May 2018
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Maximum quality is still an all analog thing when it comes to mixing.
Maybe for you. I find myself doing ITB mixes these days that are as good or better than my favorite console mixes. If you try and do ITB like an analog mix, you might wind up preferring analog. It definitely requires a different approach. But I have infinitely more control and flexibility ITB, and my automation options go so far beyond what's possible in the analog realm.
Old 18th May 2018
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Maybe for you. I find myself doing ITB mixes these days that are as good or better than my favorite console mixes. If you try and do ITB like an analog mix, you might wind up preferring analog. It definitely requires a different approach. But I have infinitely more control and flexibility ITB, and my automation options go so far beyond what's possible in the analog realm.
Couldn't agree more.
Old 18th May 2018
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Old 18th May 2018
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I had a summing box a long time ago. Just lately I've been "summing" with pairs of transformers, which to me sound better for summing than the summing box did. At this point I have 3 pairs and they're all different. And they can do cool things to individual elements, too. Lots of benefit for a cash outlay that's maybe 1/3 of what the summing box was.

Even with all that, at least half the time I like the un-summed mix better.
Old 18th May 2018
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interesting thread read from the beginning - you'd be forgiven for thinking no one would be using analogue at all by now ..
Old 18th May 2018
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BTW, the premise of this thread is faulty. Platinum records are as obsolete as analog recording. Now that people listen to Spotify instead of buying records, the RIAA should give artists an award called The Golden Stream.
Old 18th May 2018
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... The Golden Stream.
Funniest thing on GS in a long, long time. Ten thumbs up.
Old 18th May 2018
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How many engineers in the ITB era have had platinum albums? have there even been any platinum albums since Napster and YT??
Old 19th May 2018
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How many engineers in the ITB era have had platinum albums? have there even been any platinum albums since Napster and YT??
so far this year...
https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?...search_section
Old 19th May 2018
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there are only 20 gold album this year? wow
Old 19th May 2018
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If you try and do ITB like an analog mix, you might wind up preferring analog. It definitely requires a different approach.
I'm not remotely on the level of most of you guys but I find reading this thread extermely interesting.

Would (or could) you care to explain HOW you mix stuff different ITB vs OTB?



Ever since I've bought some decent outboard (mostly DIY stuff) I struggle even more to get the plugin versions of the outboard I have to behave. The LA-2/3's, 1176's, Pultecs,... of the plugin world do not give me the same results like the hardware, not even close.

Instantiating a plugin, trying to get it in the ballpark of the sound I have in my head, adding another one (or even 2) to get it to behave takes away from my creative thinking. Loading up an external insert and turning 2/3 knobs usually gets me "there" much faster so I can focus on the next thing on the 5000-item to-do list in my head.



(I currently have about 30 channels of outboard stuff I use and about to add a 2nd 32 AD/DA to expand on that even further)


Thanks in advance,
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Old 19th May 2018
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I'm not remotely on the level of most of you guys but I find reading this thread extermely interesting.

Would (or could) you care to explain HOW you mix stuff different ITB vs OTB?

First off, I do much more processing than I would OTB. On the console, I would find myself simply EQ'ing certain things. If I'm ITB, I might also add the UAD LA2 for the flavor, more than just the compression, as well as adding an EQ. Also, frequently, I'll add the Studer 800, occasionally using the lo-fi type sounds, to add some distortion and extra harmonic content.

Those aren't my rules for ITB, but I'm just giving you a couple examples of an approach. A console might add flavor doing less, so I might take a couple extra steps ITB to add some flavor.
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