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vocal micro for quiet parts / less clicking noises, pops and esses (U87.. what else?) Condenser Microphones
Old 11th March 2019
  #1
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vocal micro for quiet parts / less clicking noises, pops and esses (U87.. what else?)

Hi there,

when I record quiet vocal parts there are the known "esses" (for instance in the word "existences"), the pops (for instance in the words "post production") and other clicks when the tongue moves or the lips open, etcetera.

If a singer records a quiet part there is a need to sing very close to the microphone so you hear EVERYTHING.

I could now test a Neumann TLM103 and a Neumann U87. The TLM103 performed pretty good as long as the singer did not approach the mic too much. But as soon as the singer is very close to the microphone, recording with the TLM103 becomes very tedious and the TLM103, in comparison with the U87, is ... tedious ... from my point of view. I have to admit that the TLM103 performs a lot better than most other good mics from other brands. But the U87 performed very nice, nearly no clicks, even though the high frequencies were raised insanely.


I originally wanted to buy a TLM 103 and thought the problem with the clicks should be over with this buy. Now I see that... ok the TLM103 is not bad but come on... with a U87 you have nearly no worries anymore.

But the U87 is sooooo expensive. Do you know alternatives that have a similar behavior regarding clicking noises? I am not primarily looking for the "U87" sound I just don't want to worry about these clicking noises anymore.

Best wishes.
Old 11th March 2019
  #2
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The best way to deal with this is to tackle the problem at source, by training the singer to produce fewer difficult noises. For instance you can control lip smacks and clicks to a certain extent with food/drink (I can't remember the details).

But also, in a studio context there is no actual need or benefit to have the singer move closer to the mic in quiet passages. Tell them to stay where they are, and if necessary, adjust the preamp gain to make up the level.
Old 11th March 2019
  #3
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Proper mic placement and an effective pop filter should reduce your isses substantially.


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Hi there,

when I record quiet vocal parts there are the known "esses" (for instance in the word "existences"), the pops (for instance in the words "post production") and other clicks when the tongue moves or the lips open, etcetera.

If a singer records a quiet part there is a need to sing very close to the microphone so you hear EVERYTHING.

I could now test a Neumann TLM103 and a Neumann U87. The TLM103 performed pretty good as long as the singer did not approach the mic too much. But as soon as the singer is very close to the microphone, recording with the TLM103 becomes very tedious and the TLM103, in comparison with the U87, is ... tedious ... from my point of view. I have to admit that the TLM103 performs a lot better than most other good mics from other brands. But the U87 performed very nice, nearly no clicks, even though the high frequencies were raised insanely.


I originally wanted to buy a TLM 103 and thought the problem with the clicks should be over with this buy. Now I see that... ok the TLM103 is not bad but come on... with a U87 you have nearly no worries anymore.

But the U87 is sooooo expensive. Do you know alternatives that have a similar behavior regarding clicking noises? I am not primarily looking for the "U87" sound I just don't want to worry about these clicking noises anymore.

Best wishes.
Old 11th March 2019
  #4
Gear Nut
 

Thank you for your replies. Of course a pop filter is in use and the singer tries ones best to avoid clicking noises. The distance to the mic is 10-15cm and the singer tries to stand with about a 30 degree angle to the mik.

Still there are clicking noises. So my question is really the one I stated in the initial post and not whether there are other ways to reduce those noises...

Old 12th March 2019
  #5
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Quote:
Originally Posted by marco_well View Post
Thank you for your replies. Of course a pop filter is in use and the singer tries ones best to avoid clicking noises. The distance to the mic is 10-15cm and the singer tries to stand with about a 30 degree angle to the mik.

Still there are clicking noises. So my question is really the one I stated in the initial post and not whether there are other ways to reduce those noises...

You can edit the noises out by hand or use the Mouth De-click module in Izotope RX7
Old 12th March 2019
  #6
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Acon also works for that..... Compression also will really bring mouth noises out. Green apples help!
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