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Moondog007 1st May 2019 12:34 AM

It’s totally reasonable to keep this thread on the topic of Flock and understandable given that is the subject of thread. That part is fine. I was just pushing back against the specific implication that Mrcross was somehow falsely claiming to be asssociated with Flock. That claim is clearly absurd. I have had personal dealings with both companies and actually found both to be incredibly professional, generous and forthcoming with info. I take ur other fair criticisms but on the other hand, I think we should not simply judge a product developer by their worst day over a possible misunderstanding online when English is a second language. As far as I can tell Mrcross is a good honest guy developing a great product who might have become a little over passionate about a topic and made a gaffe in how he spoke to someone. The ‘play with yourself’ line I guarantee is not how he meant it given language barriers. He is not a marketer or particularly savvy with forum norms either. Big deal! Flock is far more slick (not meant as negative) I’d personally like to see both companies succeed and will follow both companies closely.

Neil Parfitt 1st May 2019 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bzone (Post 13954243)
For those of you who have invested in the Patch already and work with it on a day to day basis please keep the information coming so it can help others. All the best.

I've been up and running for allllllllmost a month and have mixed a ton of TV cues and done some synth design work for some other clients. The seamless re-routing process of my studio depending on the task at hand is utterly fantastic.

Now, all my analog outboard is point to point with the Flock and I've also tapped a few inserts of my existing LIAISON as well as its Bus B for the parallel bus. With the combination of the two I can accomplish everything I could before but now with the added flexibility I always longed for when I wasn't in mastering/mixing mode (ie: using any or all this outboard with my modular or mics etc without touching a single cable. YEAH!).

I've A/B'ed plenty of deliverables before and after moving from my semi-hardwired flow to this now freely routeable system and I can't hear a difference.

So, even if there's no published audio specs, it's pretty much moot and irrelevant (in my situation anyway).

javamad 1st May 2019 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Neil Parfitt (Post 13955572)
I've been up and running for allllllllmost a month and have mixed a ton of TV cues and done some synth design work for some other clients. The seamless re-routing process of my studio depending on the task at hand is utterly fantastic.

Now, all my analog outboard is point to point with the Flock and I've also tapped a few inserts of my existing LIAISON as well as its Bus B for the parallel bus. With the combination of the two I can accomplish everything I could before but now with the added flexibility I always longed for when I wasn't in mastering/mixing mode (ie: using any or all this outboard with my modular or mics etc without touching a single cable. YEAH!).

I've A/B'ed plenty of deliverables before and after moving from my semi-hardwired flow to this now freely routeable system and I can't hear a difference.

So, even if there's no published audio specs, it's pretty much moot and irrelevant (in my situation anyway).

Great to hear some real world experience and that it is positive.

I am definitely watching this thread with a view to considering adding this at some point. I currently have a single 96 way TT bay that is at its limit in my hybrid summing. If I add a few more outboard pieces I wont want to add another full 96-way and I can see how hooking a Patch unit in to part of the manual bay could totally work, maybe leaving some of the half normalled stuff on the manual board as it rarely changes but I like to know its there :-)

Disco Cubist 1st May 2019 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bzone (Post 13954243)
This individual who has a competitive product perhaps could of started his own thread.

Just in the interests of information sharing, MrCross did start his own thread, its been running quite a while.

I think both products are of interest and I'd love for them both to succeed as they will hopefully generate more interest in this concept in general and hence more R&D $$$ for implementing larger patch bays and more software flexibility.

I also echo the language barrier comment above - I think MrCross is more experienced in designing a good product than conducting internet marketing and it would be a shame for him to fall foul based on the latter, as his technology is sound and of course, the more public interest in this concept - whoever the manufacturer - the better.

Lastly, to ensure I'm furthering the conversation, I'd like to ask the Flock team what the future plan is looking like currently for tipping past the 32* limit currently...I love my patch bays but would also gladly bring them into the 22nd century if I can find sensibly priced alternative to my 5ru of 96 point TT bays...

Thanks to all concerned freshflowe

mrcross 2nd May 2019 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mirochandler (Post 13934637)
RMAA measurements

opinion found on https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...maa-test.5137/ , it basically get's burned to the ground by specialists, stay away from it.

RMAA isn't a test, it's a piece of free software. With RMAA and a soundcard, you can run some very basic tests (frequency response, crosstalk, distortion), but it's not as versatile or reliable as good software like ARTA or Virtins MI. And you're limited by the performance of the soundcard and will also need to add some signal conditioning. I wrote a series of articles on using soundcards and basic test software which can be found at the AudioXpress website and will give you an idea of what's involved in setting up and properly using these sorts of measurement tools. A smart user can do excellent measurements with the right setup, but it's easy to generate lots of garbage data. An Audio Precision (AP) analyzer is an expensive (think the price of a good new car) piece of professional gear. Better resolution, versatility, and reliability, as you'd expect for pro equipment.

mrcross 2nd May 2019 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by FlockAudio (Post 13953359)
We want everyone to know that “mrcross” is in no way affiliated or represents Flock Audio or our products.

I heard that one before from my customers when they ask you questions about the differences between our products. Your vagueness drives them straight into my arms. You started your endeavor exactly at the time I started publishing about mine and on your website certain phrases are verbatim copied from mine back then. Also you tell my customers that I am infringing your patents. It occurred to me that the patent pending statement is not displayed on the website anymore but still on the last page of the manual. I would like to know the registration number, as you are obligated to disclose by law. Mind you a penalty of $500 per offence (read per piece of sold gear) will apply in case of false claims or ongoing claims after abandoned application. My product is based upon expired patents, so I am really curious what I am infringing exactly. The software seems heavily inspired on SSL's so what's that about regarding patents?

Read more here https://ocpatentlawyer.com/penalty-f...atent-marking/

What road you want to go down I wonder, spend funds on lawyers and have customers pay for it or on product improvement. Mind you the real enemy here is the analog terminator, he can print chips for a cent and offer it for a few bucks. Also does not mind suing forum members and did not sell a single piece less because of it. Nobody gives a damn **** about decency when push comes to shove.

DougD 2nd May 2019 07:23 AM

So does there need to be a policy about competitors thread-jacking a discussion about a product, or what?

This is getting out of hand.

dbjp 2nd May 2019 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mrcross (Post 13957609)
I heard that one before from my customers when they ask you questions about the differences between our products. Your vagueness drives them straight into my arms. You started your endeavor exactly at the time I started publishing about mine and on your website certain phrases are verbatim copied from mine back then. Also you tell my customers that I am infringing your patents. It occurred to me that the patent pending statement is not displayed on the website anymore but still on the last page of the manual. I would like to know the registration number, as you are obligated to disclose by law. Mind you a penalty of $500 per offence (read per piece of sold gear) will apply in case of false claims or ongoing claims after abandoned application. My product is based upon expired patents, so I am really curious what I am infringing exactly. The software seems heavily inspired on SSL's so what's that about regarding patents?

Read more here https://ocpatentlawyer.com/penalty-f...atent-marking/

What road you want to go down I wonder, spend funds on lawyers and have customers pay for it or on product improvement. Mind you the real enemy here is the analog terminator, he can print chips for a cent and offer it for a few bucks. Also does not mind suing forum members and did not sell a single piece less because of it. Nobody gives a damn **** about decency when push comes to shove.

Losing cool, getting aggressive in the public eye will do you no good. You’ve got a good product going, yet you’re likely driving a few people away.
Think of it from a potential customer perspective. A brand going nuts against posters and a rival brand on a thread like this will make people think twice about going with you, considering how your customer support might be like should there be issues with your product. Are you going to call those customers amateurs and tell them to get lost? You probably won’t. But just consider for a second how you’re portraying yourself.
Don’t do your dirty laundry in public. Absolute worst thing you can do.

bzone 2nd May 2019 12:36 PM

The business world is a competitive place internationally. It’s obvious that like ideas will come up on both sides of the pond. This thread was started about a particular product from Flock Audio, the Patch. This is not an international legal forum. This is not a business aptitude testing region. It is a skilled place where artists, producers and engineers get together to share their views and insights on particular products they have tested or used to help them with their business or their art. My entire experience with Flock Audio has been a joy. From meeting them several years ago, in person, from shaking hands to technical discussions. To me that represents a company and a product that I want to do business with. My experience with the patch has been up to par the entire way. I work with it every day. FLOCK AUDIO THE PATCH.

Squawk 2nd May 2019 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Moondog007 (Post 13955426)
I was just pushing back against the specific implication that Mrcross was somehow falsely claiming to be asssociated with Flock. That claim is clearly absurd.

Not absurd at all. If you were not following the thread closely and you came on at that point, you could easily confuse MrCross for a Flock rep. at first read. Flock said there was some confusion expressed to them from a couple of people, so I sure as hell would have wanted to clarify that if I was them.

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Originally Posted by Moondog007 (Post 13955426)
I think we should not simply judge a product developer by their worst day over a possible misunderstanding online when English is a second language. As far as I can tell Mrcross is a good honest guy developing a great product who might have become a little over passionate about a topic and made a gaffe in how he spoke to someone. The ‘play with yourself’ line I guarantee is not how he meant it given language barriers.

Last time I toured the Netherlands, everyone I encountered there spoke pretty darn good English. I'm wondering if it's really that hard to understand the context when you say to someone "idiots like you", and "go **** yourself", even if English is not your native language? I mean, come on, that's a bit of a stretch there...

Not buying it. bumpkin

Squawk 2nd May 2019 04:14 PM

Flock Audio Patch
 
And if anyone is still following this thread for the FLOCK AUDIO PATCH system :lol:, my Flock unit is running great and sounds great! The software is extremely well done, well thought out, and easy to use.

Customer support has been great, very professional and quick to respond. kfhkh

Disco Cubist 4th May 2019 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Squawk (Post 13958312)
And if anyone is still following this thread for the FLOCK AUDIO PATCH system :lol:, my Flock unit is running great and sounds great! The software is extremely well done, well thought out, and easy to use.

Customer support has been great, very professional and quick to respond. kfhkh

MODS! Ban this guy for being logical!

Glad to hear its working well for you. Its just too small for my needs currently; every way I think of to try and break down a part of my bigger bay to be automated with the Patch I draw a blank.

I was thinking I could dedicate it to my console master and group busses and select the most popular handful of outboard for that purpose, but then I would need to keep some aux inputs and outputs on the Flock to try and maintain my ability to patch from elsewhere in the racks and still be able to process e.g. my group insert sends and returns with other less-used stuff...it keeps just stacking up to not quite enough ins and outs...

Maybe I just need to try one to find out...and you all know how that ends up...

bzone 4th May 2019 05:33 PM

For those of you who are using touch screen monitors, without deviating from the listening position, you can change sources immediately by just a quick touch of the screen. Don’t know if the software was written for this but it works wonderfully.

Neil Parfitt 5th June 2019 03:43 AM

Hi All!

I'm betaing the latest Flock Patch app, and can say that my mega gripe (and purchasing deterrent for many) has been eliminated!

So you can all sit back and smile as I can confirm that the Patch App no longer requires a net connection or software key. YEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just run it. Done.

*AND BONUS*

You can scale the app size so if you're on a 4k monitor(s) and it was too small before, you can now make it BIG and easily muck around with your audio!

I feel weird not complaining on the internet, but there it is.


rockout

Mr XY 5th June 2019 07:04 PM

In the new software is it possible to allow stereo linking, so stereo patching and bypassing can be done more quickly?

thestrawbear 3rd July 2019 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr XY (Post 14021195)
In the new software is it possible to allow stereo linking, so stereo patching and bypassing can be done more quickly?

Thread is bit quiet. I’m interested in this thing so giving it a bump ?. Also there are 0 useful videos in YouTube land of real life users using it. Cmon.

Neil Parfitt 3rd July 2019 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr XY (Post 14021195)
In the new software is it possible to allow stereo linking, so stereo patching and bypassing can be done more quickly?

Not yet but it's in the works...

Neil Parfitt 3rd July 2019 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by thestrawbear (Post 14073820)
Thread is bit quiet. I’m interested in this thing so giving it a bump ?. Also there are 0 useful videos in YouTube land of real life users using it. Cmon.

I had a really long walkthrough of it in use - but I pulled the video, as Flock fixed the one thing that I was really really cranky about (the required net connection for the app to run) within the vid. I'll make another one soon!

thestrawbear 10th July 2019 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Neil Parfitt (Post 14074732)
I had a really long walkthrough of it in use - but I pulled the video, as Flock fixed the one thing that I was really really cranky about (the required net connection for the app to run) within the vid. I'll make another one soon!

That would be good. Review and also a “How I use mine” would be good too. As it’s really a very nice tool that enables the creative thinkers out there

frankjum 11th July 2019 08:32 PM

So it can run without the net now? Nice. That was a bit of a deal breaker for me because I run a first generation SSL Nucleus that won't run with Internet. Thanks for the update! rockout