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Old 17th April 2019
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Kinda makes me glad I bought the Flock...
Amen!
Old 17th April 2019
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Seriously so easily fooled? Sorry man but I need to intervene here and protect you and others from your naivety, kind words are not going to do the job. Read this first Audio Specifications and get back with something proper. This is the high end section not a kindergarten, **** off with your RMAA suggestion and go play with yourself instead of with others hard earned cash. It's idiots like you that make vendor's hold back their specs. Thank me later when you realize I do this in your best interest.
Wow, I wasn't aware the High End section was also reserved for rude, elitist snobs. Care to ATTEMPT to be polite and professional? That's generally another great attribute of this section that recently seems to be lacking.

Completely uncalled for.
Old 17th April 2019
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Seriously so easily fooled? Sorry man but I need to intervene here and protect you and others from your naivety, kind words are not going to do the job. Read this first Audio Specifications and get back with something proper. blabla...blabla
Really? What kind of kindergarten-communication is that? And who are you?
Tell me what is happen with you, maybe some happiness is missing….

So you don´t know RMAA or anything about specs a user wants to see. - Ok, it´s your problem.
I´m happy with my Crookwood Router, I don´t need such a product or your conversation.
Old 17th April 2019
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Seriously so easily fooled? Sorry man but I need to intervene here and protect you and others from your naivety, kind words are not going to do the job. Read this first Audio Specifications and get back with something proper. This is the high end section not a kindergarten, **** off with your RMAA suggestion and go play with yourself instead of with others hard earned cash. It's idiots like you that make vendor's hold back their specs. Thank me later when you realize I do this in your best interest.
You need to chill the Flock out, man.
Old 17th April 2019
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What a bizarre thread!

Did I just read a post from a Pro audio designer/manufacturer telling someone on a Pro audio forum to "go play with themselves"

Surely not?
Old 17th April 2019
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You need to chill the Flock out, man.
Oh! You beat me to it!
Old 19th April 2019
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I got specs from them per email:

EDIT:
I deleted the information because of superhero vendor and GS user: mrcross

So he don´t know an old Signex Patchbay which is one of the forerunner in digital controlled routing...


Ask at Flock Audio about specs. They are friendly and the specs looks fine...
EDIT-End

That specs. looks very good in my world.
Maybe someone could make their own measurements with the RMAA freeware (PC).

But there are some things that keeps me away from a purchase at this time:
- it needs to be online
- no stereo handling (comes in the future is written in the manual)
- no bypassing with a singe mouse-click which is the most important point when it comes to a mastering setup (or have I understood it wrong in the manual?)
Good to hear you did not jump head down out of the window. Listen man, I am really sorry if I hurt your feelings. I know online hurts as much as anywhere. I thought it was for the best cause nice would not have gotten to you and others, maybe I was wrong, we will never know cause I cannot turn it around anymore. I took it to the extreme cause that's how I roll. Same goes for product quality and customer satisfaction. So at least you have an indication how far I will go for that too.

Please realize that it can be damaging for one for the short term to have apparently much better specs and for the other in the long term if it will be measured by a proper Audio Precision device eventually and it turns out be a total different story. And it will be measured I guarantee you that. Especially sad if it is done by someone else. Darren has the chance to do it himself on time by simply hiring a specialist for a few hours and it is done. His choice.

The thing is that, as an analogy, a healthy body weight cannot be judged by just reading what's on the display of the weighing scale, you need to take the person's height into account otherwise it really means nothing. I think you already got that since you removed it but anyway.

PM me your address and I will send you a piece for $0 before the year ends. Or if I make it to the NAMM 2020 you can punch me in the face (once), you can't have both of course.
It is the least and only thing I can do to make up for it, I hope you accept it. I guarantee it will never happen again. Who is not awake by now will never be.

Sincerely,
mrcross
Old 19th April 2019
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Kinda makes me glad I bought the Flock...
Kind of expected these kind of reflexes but c'mon, if you want to stick to a certain "vendor must be ethical" standard then you might as well walk around naked, cancel all your bank accounts and get off the grid completely. Or is it strictly gear related that the people behind it need to fit in your "how it should be frame"?

You'r mainly happy you bought your Flock simply cause you did, that's called choice-supportive bias. And now my inappropriate behavior validates that. Your welcome.

Last edited by mrcross; 19th April 2019 at 02:22 AM.. Reason: spelling mistake
Old 19th April 2019
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You'r mainly happy you bought your Flock simply cause you did, that's called choice-supportive bias. And now my inappropriate behavior validates that. Your welcome.
You're obviously a smart guy and have added a lot to the conversation here. That's still a pretty weak justification. I'm just going to assume you had a bad day and move on.
Old 19th April 2019
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You're obviously a smart guy and have added a lot to the conversation here. That's still a pretty weak justification. I'm just going to assume you had a bad day and move on.
Thanks and I am not justifying anything there. I am pointing out the selective outcry.
Old 19th April 2019
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Kind of expected these kind of reflexes but c'mon, if you want to stick to a certain "vendor must be ethical" standard then you might as well walk around naked, cancel all your bank accounts and get off the grid completely. Or is it strictly gear related that the people behind it need to fit in your "how it should be frame"?

You'r mainly happy you bought your Flock simply cause you did, that's called choice-supportive bias. And now my inappropriate behavior validates that. Your welcome.

Not really any bias. These are just tools, I don’t get that worked up about tools. I just don’t like to deal with people that act like jackasses, online or off.

I do like that Flock are in Canada, and the software appears to be far more sophisticated and developed. Maybe that’s “choice-supportive bias”. If so, I guess it’s my choice to support Flock
Old 19th April 2019
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Choice supportive bias is just another term for "I don't like the fact that you bought something else and liked it". Plenty of people around here buy something and complain about it as well...
Old 19th April 2019
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Not really any bias. These are just tools, I don’t get that worked up about tools. I just don’t like to deal with people that act like jackasses, online or off.

I do like that Flock are in Canada, and the software appears to be far more sophisticated and developed. Maybe that’s “choice-supportive bias”. If so, I guess it’s my choice to support Flock
Well we did not agree about anything from the get go anyway, I already lost you before we met. I have much more sophisticated hardware, difference is that the hardware cannot change anymore once it is in your hands while the soft can at anytime at any pace at no cost but time. Not sure if you are familiar with the phrase "if you are proud of you're alpha then you are too late", well I am not proud of my alpha.

Maybe not as it seems, but I have been very mild because I have close to endless respect for anyone who can get a product out and build a business around it. I am actually handing out between the lines what needs to be done to get it to the next level. That you don't see that is ok, no judgement call whatsoever. I also said that I wish it works out well for you and that still stands. I am not sure who you are really helping out by keep on going.
Old 19th April 2019
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Choice supportive bias is just another term for "I don't like the fact that you bought something else and liked it". Plenty of people around here buy something and complain about it as well...
now you are over complicating things, that's just called "not being satisfied", it is getting a bit of track now, so long. Don't forget to make music
Old 19th April 2019
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Well we did not agree about anything from the get go anyway, I already lost you before we met. I have much more sophisticated hardware, difference is that the hardware cannot change anymore once it is in your hands while the soft can at anytime at any pace at no cost but time. Not sure if you are familiar with the phrase "if you are proud of you're alpha then you are too late", well I am not proud of my alpha.

Maybe not as it seems, but I have been very mild because I have close to endless respect for anyone who can get a product out and build a business around it. I am actually handing out between the lines what needs to be done to get it to the next level. That you don't see that is ok, no judgement call whatsoever. I also said that I wish it works out well for you and that still stands. I am not sure who you are really helping out by keep on going.

What on earth are you going on about? Seriously?

Keeping what going? You’re the one that told a potential customer to “Fvck off” and “go play with himself”, and you can’t seem to get the fact that that’s not a good look for any company trying to launch a new product, and others might be put off by that. Especially when you do it on a thread discussing a competing product!

If that’s what you consider “mild”, and that’s a representation of what it would be like to interact with you as a customer, I might be disinclined to do so. The only one “keeping it going” here is you.

It’s not politics. I’m not a brand loyalist. I was very interested in your product also. I already had the Flock on order. I would have easily also purchased your product as well down the road. As it stands, im going to be using my X-Patch cascaded with the Flock. I still need more channels!

Maybe best to stop this discussion, and just focus on your own product launch. Then again, maybe this is part of a brilliant marketing strategy on your part to move the discussion away from the Flock. If so, well played...
Old 19th April 2019
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PM me your address and I will send you a piece for $0 before the year ends.
Again, nobody needs your communication here.
Go away and try your luck elsewhere.

Btw if such a funny guy will not respect RMAA measurements made by users, (not manufacturer) with dedicated converters (Forssell DA, Prism AD) then it is waste of time to speak or write with him.
Especially if he wants to tell me something about standard measurement parameters.

Please do not answer to this text, everything is already written....close
Old 20th April 2019
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I'm partway through the reconfiguration process here with the Flock. So far so good, but this having to be online issue when you launch the software, is a problem that they need to resolve yesterday. File this under "what were they thinking?".

My studio computer is not online when I'm working, as I've got ethernet connected to a closed network communicating with a SSL Sigma, X-Patch and Nucleus. I have an internal WiFi card that is connected to a UA OX, which has its own wifi network broadcasting that you have to be connected to to run that software.

So far, a very big PITA. Software looks great though. Hopefully they'll have an update very soon.
Old 20th April 2019
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I'm partway through the reconfiguration process here with the Flock. So far so good, but this having to be online issue when you launch the software, is a problem that they need to resolve yesterday. File this under "what were they thinking?".

My studio computer is not online when I'm working, as I've got ethernet connected to a closed network communicating with a SSL Sigma, X-Patch and Nucleus. I have an internal WiFi card that is connected to a UA OX, which has its own wifi network broadcasting that you have to be connected to to run that software.

So far, a very big PITA. Software looks great though. Hopefully they'll have an update very soon.
In your user area, you can download the version that will work off line.
Old 20th April 2019
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In your user area, you can download the version that will work off line.
Ah, my bad. I see that now, version 1.0. I thought I had downloaded the offline version and it wasn't working, but obviously I didn't, as this is 1.1.

I do have separate network location settings in OSX, so I can go online, launch the Patch app, then go offline again for the SSL applications to work, it's just more of a hassle.

I'm also noticing that the software (when online) is crashing a lot on launch. Hopefully they get the bugs ironed out.

Thanks
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Old 20th April 2019
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Ah, my bad. I see that now, version 1.0. I thought I had downloaded the offline version and it wasn't working, but obviously I didn't, as this is 1.1.

I do have separate network location settings in OSX, so I can go online, launch the Patch app, then go offline again for the SSL applications to work, it's just more of a hassle.

I'm also noticing that the software (when online) is crashing a lot on launch. Hopefully they get the bugs ironed out.

Thanks

You might be running into the same thing as me. I've sent them an extensive report and can repeat the bug 100%.

Start the app with the Rack turned off. Then when the app is running, turn it on. Mine connects immediately.

Next time it crashes, click report and tell me if it's a

"Crashed Thread: 18 QThread
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)"

I'm on a Mac Pro 6,1/trashcan on Sierra/Patch 1.1

They said I was the only one running into this, so maybe now it's both of us?
Old 20th April 2019
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You might be running into the same thing as me. I've sent them an extensive report and can repeat the bug 100%.

Start the app with the Rack turned off. Then when the app is running, turn it on. Mine connects immediately.

Next time it crashes, click report and tell me if it's a

"Crashed Thread: 18 QThread
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)"

I'm on a Mac Pro 6,1/trashcan on Sierra.

They said I was the only one running into this, so maybe now it's both of us?
I haven had any issues on Sierra, trash can. I always start the rack, or patch unit first. Then click on the app, then open my editing/recording software. I'm off line in the app though. Is this for online only?
Old 20th April 2019
  #112
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Ah, my bad. I see that now, version 1.0. I thought I had downloaded the offline version and it wasn't working, but obviously I didn't, as this is 1.1.

I do have separate network location settings in OSX, so I can go online, launch the Patch app, then go offline again for the SSL applications to work, it's just more of a hassle.

I'm also noticing that the software (when online) is crashing a lot on launch. Hopefully they get the bugs ironed out.

Thanks


Mine crashed a few times on startup today.. I had the patch on, then tried turning on the app.. version 1.1
Old 20th April 2019
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Originally Posted by Neil Parfitt View Post
You might be running into the same thing as me. I've sent them an extensive report and can repeat the bug 100%.

Start the app with the Rack turned off. Then when the app is running, turn it on. Mine connects immediately.

Next time it crashes, click report and tell me if it's a

"Crashed Thread: 18 QThread
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)"

I'm on a Mac Pro 6,1/trashcan on Sierra/Patch 1.1

They said I was the only one running into this, so maybe now it's both of us?
Here's mine:

Crashed Thread: 8 QThread

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x0000000000000038
Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Termination Signal: Segmentation fault: 11
Termination Reason: Namespace SIGNAL, Code 0xb
Terminating Process: exc handler [0]

VM Regions Near 0x38:
-->
__TEXT 000000010e81b000-000000010ea4f000 [ 2256K] r-x/rwx SM=COW /Applications/PATCH APP.app/Contents/MacOS/PATCH APP


I'm on High Sierra 10.13.6 (Silver MP tower)

Model: MacPro5,1, BootROM MP51.0089.B00, 12 processors, 6-Core Intel Xeon, 3.33 GHz, 64 GB, SMC 1.39f11
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5770, ATI Radeon HD 5770, PCIe
Old 29th April 2019
  #114
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...get back with something proper. This is the high end section not a kindergarten, **** off with your RMAA suggestion and go play with yourself instead of with others hard earned cash. It's idiots like you that make vendor's hold back their specs. Thank me later when you realize I do this in your best interest.
I was curious about purchasing your other product mrCross (xbay), after I read your other thread on it. Until I then read this comment you made here on this Flock thread.

I will not be buying anything from your company Anatal now or in the future.

Last edited by billbob; 30th April 2019 at 01:25 AM.. Reason: clarification
Old 30th April 2019
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Ah, my bad. I see that now, version 1.0. I thought I had downloaded the offline version and it wasn't working, but obviously I didn't, as this is 1.1.

I do have separate network location settings in OSX, so I can go online, launch the Patch app, then go offline again for the SSL applications to work, it's just more of a hassle.

I'm also noticing that the software (when online) is crashing a lot on launch. Hopefully they get the bugs ironed out.

Thanks
The same here after update to v1.1, everything is ok back to v1.1 beta. Suggestion to Flock:
Should be abandon authentication via net connection
and serial number to run it(Meaningless for you must have hardware to use it just like TC-DT series)
Old 30th April 2019
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Hi All,

Some members have privately messaged me and expressed some confusion towards this thread, and I thought it was important to quickly revisit to address it. Unfortunately what originally started out as a constructive thread focusing on discussions around the Flock Audio PATCH System from customers has taken a confusing turn.

There is a GearSlutz member here named “mrcross” who has posted some troubling comments towards some members of this thread discussing the PATCH System. We want everyone to know that “mrcross” is in no way affiliated or represents Flock Audio or our products.

We appreciate and welcome all customer constructive feedback and know that you can always contact us via our www.flockaudio.com/support for direct support, recommendations or questions etc.

As for some of the suggestions/requests here on this customers thread, please know we have taken all these concerns into account and look forward to releasing V1.2 of the PATCH APP in the coming weeks which will address your concerns plus more.

P.s. For those of you with really high I/O counts... PATCH is only the beginning.

Cheers & Happy PATCHing!

Darren Nakonechny
CEO | Flock Audio Inc.

Last edited by FlockAudio; 30th April 2019 at 01:09 AM.. Reason: Rev.1.0
Old 30th April 2019
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Boy that escalated quickly...

I’m still into the Anatal solution over the Flock and will be as long as the Flock is limited to 32 squared...Mr Cross appears to have ‘crossed’ the high channel count threshold quite effectively, if not slightly over-excitedly

Edit - out of respect for Darren and the Flock team I’ve moved my question to the Anatal thread so as not to confuse even further...
Old 30th April 2019
  #118
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Ooh awesome re: v1.2. Did you guys tweak the app for stereo patching?
Old 30th April 2019
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Hi All,

Some members have privately messaged me and expressed some confusion towards this thread, and I thought it was important to quickly revisit to address it. Unfortunately what originally started out as a constructive thread focusing on discussions around the Flock Audio PATCH System from customers has taken a confusing turn.

There is a GearSlutz member here named “mrcross” who has posted some troubling comments towards some members of this thread discussing the PATCH System. We want everyone to know that “mrcross” is in no way affiliated or represents Flock Audio or our products.

We appreciate and welcome all customer constructive feedback and know that you can always contact us via our www.flockaudio.com/support for direct support, recommendations or questions etc.

As for some of the suggestions/requests here on this customers thread, please know we have taken all these concerns into account and look forward to releasing V1.2 of the PATCH APP in the coming weeks which will address your concerns plus more.

P.s. For those of you with really high I/O counts... PATCH is only the beginning.

Cheers & Happy PATCHing!

Darren Nakonechny
CEO | Flock Audio Inc.
Mrcross never said anything to imply he was associated with Flock. Anyone who actually had that impression would need a neurological exam. Every word he wrote made clear he developed a similar competing product with his company. He was also pretty nice about what he said about the Flock product. Clearly both Mrcross and Flock are developing really interesting products. All publicity is good publicity. The more people are talking about this concept, the better it is for both companies.
Old 30th April 2019
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Mrcross never said anything to imply he was associated with Flock. Anyone who actually had that impression would need a neurological exam. Every word he wrote made clear he developed a similar competing product with his company. He was also pretty nice about what he said about the Flock product. Clearly both Mrcross and Flock are developing really interesting products. All publicity is good publicity. The more people are talking about this concept, the better it is for both companies.
Unfortunately this thread is not about a concept. I started this thread to talk about a product that I watched developed over several years, and that I was very interested in, and found it functional. The product is the Flock Audio Patch. Not anything else.

I understand how other competitors will find an alley to try to advertise their product. This individual who has a competitive product perhaps could of started his own thread. He has unveiled his immaturity in his conversation with others, as well as his arrogance. Not really a great marketing ploy. It was found self evident by others involved in this thread already.

Flock Audio wants to make sure they separate themselves from this type of individual and company. Which I see as entirely fit for this conversation.
If people think this other product is great, wonderful, go over there and talk about it.

For those of you who have invested in the Patch already and work with it on a day to day basis please keep the information coming so it can help others. All the best.
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