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BAE 1073 vs Avalon VT-737SP vs Warm Audio tb12
Old 13th November 2018
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BAE 1073 vs Avalon VT-737SP vs Warm Audio tb12

Hello guys,
i learnt that when it is about music gear, there is not " the best", but different sound, but i think maybe something could be the best for me, or for you.

My question is, what mic pre for vocal could be a good first pick :

BAE1073
AVALON VT 737SP
WARM AUDIO TB12
others ?

( my mic are sm7b and aston origin )
Old 13th November 2018
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All three !
Old 13th November 2018
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Haha good idea ! What could you say about them ?
Old 13th November 2018
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No one ?
Old 13th November 2018
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Avalon since it’s a channel strip that includes a compressor IMO. Then Get a 1073 and run it into the avalon for the compressor and eq. Then get api type pres
Old 13th November 2018
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Thank you, it is a really nice idea, oh and i just noticed there is a 1073 type from warm audio, damn ! I need to look for it !
Old 14th November 2018
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The 1073 from Stam audio is MUCH MUCH MUCH Better!
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Thank you, it is a really nice idea, oh and i just noticed there is a 1073 type from warm audio, damn ! I need to look for it !
Old 14th November 2018
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Personally I'd start with the BAE 1073, they are beautifully built and you'll of started your recordings with a really professional boutique handmade pre amp.

Worth every penny if you afford it.

Look at the BAE 1073D the EQ on that unit is utterly fantastic.
Old 14th November 2018
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The 1073 from Stam audio is MUCH MUCH MUCH Better!
Oh yeah ? What could you tell me about it ? Any link or audio file ?
Old 14th November 2018
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Personally I'd start with the BAE 1073, they are beautifully built and you'll of started your recordings with a really professional boutique handmade pre amp.

Worth every penny if you afford it.

Look at the BAE 1073D the EQ on that unit is utterly fantastic.

Yeah it's a nice idea ! Also i heard that the BAE 1073 sounds nice almost on evrything, could be a nice start

What could you tell me about the BAE 1073 sound ? What should i expect ?
Old 15th November 2018
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Yeah it's a nice idea ! Also i heard that the BAE 1073 sounds nice almost on evrything, could be a nice start

What could you tell me about the BAE 1073 sound ? What should i expect ?
the BAE (like the Avedis Audio MA5 or the Aurora Audio GT500 or GTP1) will make your SM7 sing. it's a great combo.

these are quality preamps that you'll keep for a long time and that will have a good resale value. no corners cut.



Cheu

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Old 15th November 2018
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Originally Posted by DoubleJo View Post
Hello guys,
i learnt that when it is about music gear, there is not " the best", but different sound, but i think maybe something could be the best for me, or for you.

My question is, what mic pre for vocal could be a good first pick :

BAE1073
AVALON VT 737SP
WARM AUDIO TB12
others ?

( my mic are sm7b and aston origin )
From your list, I'd go BAE first.
I've worked with the TB12 on hip-hop vocals and while is a very good sounding pre, I'd rather have a Neve type preamp for vocals, at least for that in-your-face sound we all love.

The 737 on the other hand is a more "transparent" type of pre, from what I've read used a lot by Pharrell Williams on pretty much all of his vocals, and used to be the "standard" along with a U87 for quite a long time in hip-hop circles.

Still, I'd rather have a Neve-style pre for my main vocals and if needed a 737 for backing vocals, acoustic guitar where it shines etc.

I'd also get a nice tube mic for your vocals, to go along your SM7B.
Old 16th November 2018
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Originally Posted by cheu78 View Post
the BAE (like the Avedis Audio MA5 or the Aurora Audio GT500 or GTP1) will make your SM7 sing. it's a great combo.

these are quality preamps that you'll keep for a long time and that will have a good resale value. no corners cut.



Cheu
Thank you very much for this answer, i am really conviced now !
Old 16th November 2018
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From your list, I'd go BAE first.
I've worked with the TB12 on hip-hop vocals and while is a very good sounding pre, I'd rather have a Neve type preamp for vocals, at least for that in-your-face sound we all love.

The 737 on the other hand is a more "transparent" type of pre, from what I've read used a lot by Pharrell Williams on pretty much all of his vocals, and used to be the "standard" along with a U87 for quite a long time in hip-hop circles.

Still, I'd rather have a Neve-style pre for my main vocals and if needed a 737 for backing vocals, acoustic guitar where it shines etc.

I'd also get a nice tube mic for your vocals, to go along your SM7B.
Really nice information here, i did not know about the Pharrell Williams story, i will try to find it , U87 + clean signal is almost good evrywhere as i heard

For the last thing, i am about to buy a CU-29 Copperhead pretty soon, i heard a lot of good thing about it, and i heard his sound also , so it could be a great duo
Old 16th November 2018
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If you like boring, then you'll love the Avalon. If you want a very flexible pre and EQ that sound like a lot of the records you know and love, then get the 1073.
Old 16th November 2018
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Amplification is over rated to be honest.
I own all three of what the OP was asking about and yeah maybe subtle differences, but it’s not like you plug your mic into a preamp and your blown away.
Old 16th November 2018
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Amplification is over rated to be honest.
I own all three of what the OP was asking about and yeah maybe subtle differences, but it’s not like you plug your mic into a preamp and your blown away.
Not trying to say that you are saying something wrong, but i heard that anything in the chain is important, and if you have a cheap thing you will hear the cheap song, for example a great mic in a cheap preamp, do you think it will not be a big difference compared to a great one ? Then my question is why are you buying expensive thing like a preamp 1k if there is not that big difference ?

I have seen this video of a guy making a very cheap mic sound way better in a avalon


with preamp 4:56 - just the mic sound. 11:37

Also i heard that you need a lot of time, a lot of work to see how the preamp is important, it's subtle at the early part, but when you are starting to use a lot of track, and making for example a whole album with it, you will see the difference better. If i am wrong, just tell me :D
Old 16th November 2018
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Sorry but this is def NOT true.... a ref c (for example) through a 737 and a 1073 is a night and day difference tone wise! And it’s NOT OVER RATED! Geeezzz the stuff I hear in this forum sometimes....
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Amplification is over rated to be honest.
I own all three of what the OP was asking about and yeah maybe subtle differences, but it’s not like you plug your mic into a preamp and your blown away.
Old 16th November 2018
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while there's clearly an audible difference between preamps, chosing the right mic and positioning it correctly plus the acoustics of the room, plays a bigger role in the grand scheme of schemes or the end results.

that said a 1073 and a Forssell sound definitely different.. both great imho.



Cheu
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