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Which monitors are best known to be really detailed in the mids? Studio Monitors
Old 16th September 2018
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Which monitors are best known to be really detailed in the mids?

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Old 16th September 2018
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Focal Twins are very mid forward.
Old 16th September 2018
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ATC
Old 16th September 2018
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I tested a whole bunch of the current crop back to back and went with the PSI A17 which I found to be very mid-forward. YMMV of course. (FWIW my mains are ATC SCM 110 and they pair well together each giving me a very different presentation of material)
Old 16th September 2018
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ATC
Old 16th September 2018
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horn loaded systems imo - and/or use external dsp for adjusting the behaviour of any system...
Old 17th September 2018
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ATC is what you're looking.
Old 17th September 2018
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Proac come to mind
Old 17th September 2018
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PSI a17
Old 17th September 2018
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Check out Kii 3s
Old 17th September 2018
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Barefoot MM27. Maybe 'detailed' is not the right word but they certainly have revealing quality and very clear image of whole freq spectrum.
Old 17th September 2018
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The ProAc Studio 100s are very good for judging the mid frequencies.
Old 18th September 2018
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ATC
Old 18th September 2018
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Nothing that I’ve heard touched any atc’s in the mids. Even the smaller ones but particularly the three way atcs. It’s unbelievable.
Old 19th September 2018
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PSI a17
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Old 19th September 2018
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Generally speaking, a 3 way system with the critical mids directed from one driver is clearest. The two way designs with the crossovers set in the mids (like 2500 hz) will affect the mids far more. The reasons are the mids are being cut and re-assembled by the crossovers and the mids are also being modulated by the low frequencies in the woofer. That is like playing guitar out of the bass player's amp. Every time he hits a low note the guitar gets broken up.
Old 19th September 2018
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Jim beat me to it, and he's a greater authority anyways. Go for three-ways if possible, and then you won't have as much need for something like auratones/avantones to hear unmolested midrange. I like sealed cabinets, too, but that's more about bass tightness than midrange precision.
Old 20th September 2018
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I can vouch for PSI A17M, they have no competition in their price range. If you have a higher budget, then obviously ATC and PMC comes into play.
Old 20th September 2018
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Generally speaking, a 3 way system with the critical mids directed from one driver is clearest. The two way designs with the crossovers set in the mids (like 2500 hz) will affect the mids far more. The reasons are the mids are being cut and re-assembled by the crossovers and the mids are also being modulated by the low frequencies in the woofer. That is like playing guitar out of the bass player's amp. Every time he hits a low note the guitar gets broken up.
Thanks for your input, i am also curious to know your opinion on the MTM configuration.
Old 20th September 2018
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ATC are hard to beat, Amphion are very detailed in the mids as well.
Old 20th September 2018
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I’ve been listening to Lipinski L-70s for about a year now alongside Neumanns and Genelecs. The quality and ”realism” of the midrange of the Lipinskis is quite remarkable.

Last edited by jannev; 20th September 2018 at 07:35 PM.. Reason: Typo
Old 20th September 2018
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Generally speaking, a 3 way system with the critical mids directed from one driver is clearest. The two way designs with the crossovers set in the mids (like 2500 hz) will affect the mids far more. The reasons are the mids are being cut and re-assembled by the crossovers and the mids are also being modulated by the low frequencies in the woofer. That is like playing guitar out of the bass player's amp. Every time he hits a low note the guitar gets broken up.
mostly agree with this. however, habit is quite powerful - and dsp too:

i'm so much used to my old tad 2-way horn-loaded system that i'm not missing anything even when comparing to 3-way systems.

and with some smart use of external dsp and the addition of allpass filters, i'm getting the phase of most any speaker throughout the whole spectrum to behave as smoothly as i want.
Old 20th September 2018
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When you listen on a small speaker with a single driver and no crossover you'll hear the midrange more clearly as compared with a two or three driver speaker. Try referencing a single mono Auratone or mix cube of your choice. It will be a revelation!
Old 21st September 2018
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Except you forgot about the bass modulation of the mids. A 50 hz F# on an electric bass will rip apart the mid frequencies every time a note is played. Same with every kick drum hit.

Waterfall plots show this effect and it's not pretty. Add a sub and that problem is reduced.
Old 21st September 2018
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Add a sub and that problem is reduced.
Don't you mean Low-pass to a sub? ... so the 2 way system is effectively band limited, and HPF'ed?

Or are you saying there's a way of running a 2-way full freq, and adding a separate LPassed sub increases mid resolution?
Old 22nd September 2018
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High pass the mains. That way the low frequency modulation is reduced. I do that here with my JBL 4408A's. The mids are much clearer that way.
Old 23rd September 2018
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I’ve heard most of the Barefoot, ATC (25, 45, 110), Focal (Twin, SM9) and smaller PMC’s and I must say that I have yet to hear anything that comes close to Quested V3110 in what I would describe as “detailed mids”. That doesn’t make them the end-all for everything. I switched to Barefoot for mixing and producing pop-music, which gave me better results even though they feel less “detailed in the mids”
Old 24th September 2018
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ATC.
Old 24th September 2018
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Love the mids on the Amphion one15. Also, the mids on the KH-310 stand out as "spectacular" for the way I hear things.
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