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Old 18th July 2018
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The initial costs have been: Moving it = $1,500. Cooling it = $1,200. Unlke my old Mackie, it runs hot and I don't want to fry it so it's time to install the split AC system I've been wanting. Gotta get an electrician to run a dirty circuit also. Isolated ground = $100. Been meaning to do that anyway, also. Cable = $500 so far, just to wire it as a simple 8 track setup. I'm about 1/4 of the way to a fully wired 24 track studio. fTech guy = $1,000 so far. My analog console has digital switching and automation, which means eprom chips. I didn't want to see my console turn into a brick if they fried so I cloned them. I also picked up dynamics cards and parts for another $1,000. Still have to hire the tech guy to test and calibrate before I can call it commissioned. High end is expensive.
Not off topic at all, this is exactly the question being asked.

The costs can be shocking, especially if you need to pay techs.

To give the other perspective of console ownership, my costs so far have been;

Diesel to collect - £100 ish
Cooling it - £0 I live in Yorkshire natural weather based cooling here.
Mains wiring - £0 I would have done the same work on that whatever console/system I was using.
Cable and connectors around £500 but this is the whole studio (recycled multicore) and would have needed that for any recording setup
Tech guy - £0 that's me so a fair few hours.
Parts - probably around £50 (some caps and other components)
I did have to spend a small amount on getting the power supplies to spec by the guy who really knows those supplies, but he lives near so I could just drop them off to him saves a bunch on call out. Can't remember but around £180.

So it can be reasonable after the initial wedge for the desk but learning to maintain it yourself is the key to sensible console ownership.

I have never regretted buying my LFAC and it's certainly brought me more work than it cost.
Old 18th July 2018
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SSL 9k in the San Francisco/Bay Area averaged around $1200/month.
Old 18th July 2018
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Knowing the power draw per console and per channel would be rather useful. Then you could make an estimate of the running costs.

Great thread in general though. I would like a console down the road, having some real world numbers of the true cost of using it is very beneficial.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Originally Posted by Shadow Puppets View Post
Fairly self explanatory question, but I’m interested in people’s thoughts on SSL and Neve’s high end offerings (Duality, 88RS etc), particularly when it comes to things like running costs / boot up times / power consumption / the need for a machine room with AC cooling... etc.

Involved in the building of a high end studio, and currently just evaluating console options.
A 48 Channel Duality uses about 13 amps at a nominal US mains voltage of 117v. They don't use as much power or generate anywhere near as much heat as the older generation of large format consoles. You can plug them into a regular wall socket whereas on an SSL 9000 you need 3 x dedicated 30 amp circuits and a machine room. I cant find power specs on an 88r but it was designed a little earlier than the XL9000K and uses external PSUs too

Heat is one of the major things that causes switches to age and PSUs to fail in older consoles so that's less of an issue on the new SSL stuff

There's a studio I know of that powers their Duality entirely by solar panels
Old 3 weeks ago
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Have never owned an ssl but was pretty serious about buying one a couple of years ago. One of my friends who is one of the top ssl tech guys in Sweden informed me about the costs of owning an ssl and also what it would cost to buy one that isn't up to spec which for me growing up in the digital age wasn't aware off. The recap bill can be huge, especially on the older desks. He recapped a neve v3 (!?)for a customer and brining it up to spec cost allot more then the console itself.

So the powerbill alone isn't the main cost, and even if the seller say it has been properly maintained over the years very few are as in good condition as the seller claim it to be. "my" tech guy strongly adviced against getting anything other then a late 90s G+, ofc he was mainly looking at it from maintance perspective. He also said that he had fixed a desk that a atomic power supply had fried. From what I know there atomic brand is no longer in production right? Maybe that's one of the reasons? I don't want to slam anyone so please correct me if I'm wrong.
Atomic Instrument never stopped making power supplies and never has a desk been damaged by an Atomic PSU Bruce (The Desk Doctor) and SSL
recommend them.

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Old 3 weeks ago
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Knowing the power draw per console and per channel would be rather useful. Then you could make an estimate of the running costs.

Great thread in general though. I would like a console down the road, having some real world numbers of the true cost of using it is very beneficial.
A SSL 4048G+ draws about 3000 watts, about half that with Atomic.
Old 3 weeks ago
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Very true. Have had no unexpected issues on our G+ in the decade we've owned it.


Atomic is still making supplies (I just bought a 2nd unit last month). Can you find out more details about the atomic causing damage (and PM me?), I'm interested in what may have been wrong in that situation.
Yes contact me as well, my guess is the blame game from a inexperienced
tech, Atomic has never been contacted about any damage to any desk
after hundreds have been installed all over the world.

Also We make several near silent PSUs that can live in the control room.
Old 3 weeks ago
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The atomic supply on our VR has been flawless. It would be nice if it were quieter but that’s more the fault of the machine room isolation!
Old 3 weeks ago
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The SSl Duality and AWS don't have all the transformers inside which created more heat/wear and higher eletric bills.
Old 3 weeks ago
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The SSl Duality and AWS don't have all the transformers inside which created more heat/wear and higher eletric bills.
A Neve VR or an SSL G/J/K aren’t exactly packed with transformers either in the way an 80-series Neve is...it’s not a lack of transformers, just 20 years of electronic progress.
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