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Phil Ramone - 1970s Vocal Production Techniques Condenser Microphones
Old 9th June 2018
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Today's producers and artists have a tendency to overarrange. This has been going on for twenty years, arguably...since the proliferation of digital recording and increased track counts. In such scenarios, a lot of folks feel compelled to "squish" vocals into a huge instrumental track, rather than dialing back the instrumental track and giving the vocals the limelight.
I think you're right about everything except for the first sentence of your post:

It would be more acurate to say that today's producers and artists have a tendencey to UNDERarrange BEFORE recording...

...Then they try to make up for their stupidity by adding a bunch more tracks...

...Then they go nuts later trying to POSTarrange it afterwords!
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Old 9th June 2018
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Old 9th June 2018
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Old 9th June 2018
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...But to paraphrase Mr. Pink (of Floyd fame):

Which one's Phil?
Why don't we switch to 432Hz tuning?-ramones.jpg
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Old 9th June 2018
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Ha! Didn’t even realize I did a pun there.
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Cleaning faders had a residual benefit in the day.
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I think I read it was 3M digital maybe wiki. Can you really trust a 22 year drummers memory? I can't trust a drummer to remember the bridge...
I dunno, sounds like tape to me.

It would have been one of the first projects as they had just come out about that time.

Wow!
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The first digital multitrack recorder, 3M's 32-track recorder was priced at $115,000.
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$115,000 in 1979 → $387,746.42 in 2017
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Old 10th June 2018
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"Omartian reminds us that it was 1979 and his memory is hazy, but he recalls the console was a Harrison 48-channel board, and there were two Ampex 1200 24-track machines. “When you had those tracks available, you tended to use them,” Omartian says. “It was ’79, so the automation would have been pretty rudimentary.”

Sounds like tape to me as well..

Vocal mic was an AKG 414

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Vocal mic was an AKG 414
How lucky I was that my first real pro mic was a c414eb, that I got about 1981 for $500.

I've tried and/or owned a lot of high end mics since, but nothing has ever been any better for my voice.
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"Omartian reminds us that it was 1979 and his memory is hazy, but he recalls the console was a Harrison 48-channel board, and there were two Ampex 1200 24-track machines.
Omartian remembers it as an Ampex 1200, and Taylor a 3M M79.

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Was that screwed capsule or teflon ring?
Ya, well (not so) funny story about that. The microphone was nearly new when I bought it, and it had the original brass capsule.

Sometime in the mid 80's the mic started having issues, so I sent it to AKG for repair.

You can guess the rest.
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Were you ever able to compare the AKG C12 on your voice?

Thanks, Chris
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Were you ever able to compare the AKG C12 on your voice?

Thanks, Chris
Hi Chris, not directly. I didn't have any experience with other (high end) mics while I owned it. In the years since I have owned and tried a lot of mics including a C12 (never owned one).

So of course my memories are biased.

But about 2 years ago I did a recording in a studio where they had an original c414eb, and a C12A along with other really nice mics, and I ending up choosing the eb.

There is a reason that the c414eb were so common in many studios in those days, they just sound real good, and balanced.

Johnny Carson had one sitting on his desk for years.
Old 11th June 2018
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Never had the opportunity to try out a brass ring 414. But really loved the sound of both of the Flea 12 and the Telefunken C12.

Thanks again, Chris
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I think you're right about everything except for the first sentence of your post:

It would be more acurate to say that today's producers and artists have a tendencey to UNDERarrange BEFORE recording...

...Then they try to make up for their stupidity by adding a bunch more tracks...

...Then they go nuts later trying to POSTarrange it afterwords!
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