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Neumann U67 reissue vs vintage video Condenser Microphones
Old 11th July 2018
  #91
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i also am interested in this in terms of stock verses another tube. Also did you snip the wire that disables the HPF?
Tried a few nos tubes
Still prefer stock
I lifted the s2 jumper
Sounds great
Old 11th July 2018
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Tried a few nos tubes
Still prefer stock
I lifted the s2 jumper
Sounds great

Thanks
Old 11th July 2018
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Thanks
Tried amperex -very gooey round
Tele ef86 Grey plate - rounded more vintage esque
The stock tube,the mic sounds the most open,maybe ever so slightly more “modern” which is working really well.
Much prefer this mic to my last vintage one I sold last year.
Old 11th July 2018
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Unfortunately for wallets, the vintage 67 seemed to have a more realistic quality to the reproduction, however this could also be due to the fact that all the performances through the vintage mic were nearly perfect in both instrument/vocal technique as well as recording technique (performer positioning themselves for optimal pickup) and those through the reissue were lesser in comparison, and in some cases completely showcased different ranges of the instrument or an entirely different instrument (guitar acoustic then electric for the reissue?!)

BUT, and it's a BIG BUT and I cannot lie haha, I think the most illuminating was the male vocalist who was consistent in timbre and intensity as well as his positioning for both mics, and so his was the sole performance that was impossible to distinguish as coming through the vintage vs reissue. And with that I'm going to assume that they sound virtually identical after a little break in period of the reissue.

PS - And for those people saying the u87ai is any less transparent and audibly "flat" than earlier and vintage models, probably hasn't had much experience with real world material outside shootout videos, because I've noticed the same trend in shootout videos but not in real world projects.

PPS - I still think Bock makes the best and most consistent modern microphones.
Old 11th July 2018
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Tried amperex -very gooey round
Tele ef86 Grey plate - rounded more vintage esque
The stock tube,the mic sounds the most open,maybe ever so slightly more “modern” which is working really well.
Much prefer this mic to my last vintage one I sold last year.
Great info. Thanks much. Looks like I should just budget for the mic and worry about tubes later.
Old 11th July 2018
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I went through a half dozen different NOS tube types and was amazed by the response differences. The personality of the tube type is more greatly magnified than in most circuits since the compensation feedback interacts directly with the capsule itself. I've never heard a tube change make so much sonic difference in any other type of circuit.
Old 11th July 2018
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Great info. Thanks much. Looks like I should just budget for the mic and worry about tubes later.
Yes.
I could keep blowing money trying nos tubes or just get on with making records.
I’ll take option 2.
Old 11th July 2018
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Also, the filament current is adjusted to suit the new tubes, which require more draw...at least according to Neumann.
Old 12th July 2018
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Great info. Thanks much. Looks like I should just budget for the mic and worry about tubes later.
I have tried several NOS Telefunken EF86s in my reissue. I could not hear much, if any difference, so I put the stock EF86 back into the mic.
Old 12th July 2018
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I have tried several NOS Telefunken EF86s in my reissue. I could not hear much, if any difference, so I put the stock EF86 back into the mic.
That's really cool. Thanks for sharing! Having tried this mic out, with its Stock configuration. I simply cannot [and could not] imagine doing anything with it but pointing at it someone playing good music. I don't even think I would open it up even if I was bored. Its a really great sounding mic.
Old 12th July 2018
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On of these days, somebody is going to do a test where the heads of the new and vintage are swapped, so we can hear the difference between capsules. Just saying.
Old 12th July 2018
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Are you a mindreader?
I will have my analysis ready in a week or so. It includes substituting all U67 reissue components (capsule head, mic amp, tube, cable, power supply...) with mint originals, one at a time, to see what does what, and, if there is a bottleneck, where exactly it may be....
KH
Old 13th July 2018
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Are you a mindreader?
I will have my analysis ready in a week or so. It includes substituting all U67 reissue components (capsule head, mic amp, tube, cable, power supply...) with mint originals, one at a time, to see what does what, and, if there is a bottleneck, where exactly it may be....
KH

Klaus,

We can’t wait to read your analysis.
Old 13th July 2018
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Are you a mindreader?
I will have my analysis ready in a week or so. It includes substituting all U67 reissue components (capsule head, mic amp, tube, cable, power supply...) with mint originals, one at a time, to see what does what, and, if there is a bottleneck, where exactly it may be....
KH
This is exactly how I always test two mics, when I hear differences.
Old 13th July 2018
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Are you a mindreader?
I will have my analysis ready in a week or so. It includes substituting all U67 reissue components (capsule head, mic amp, tube, cable, power supply...) with mint originals, one at a time, to see what does what, and, if there is a bottleneck, where exactly it may be....
KH
Looking forward to that
Old 13th July 2018
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I have already swapped out capsules, supply’s with 5 different U67’s. Tested with s2 lifted, went through 15 different tubes, even different cables. Enough sources to drive you crazy.
The new capsule is slightly brighter. Tubes made a variety of sonic differences. Here’s the deal; left the reissue stock after all this, purchased two more reissue U67’s. Leaving them stock as well. You guys should keep talking about it and listen to internet samples. Meanwhile I’ll use my mic’s.
Old 13th July 2018
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I have already swapped out capsules, supply’s with 5 different U67’s. Tested with s2 lifted, went through 15 different tubes, even different cables. Enough sources to drive you crazy.
The new capsule is slightly brighter. Tubes made a variety of sonic differences. Here’s the deal; left the reissue stock after all this, purchased two more reissue U67’s. Leaving them stock as well. You guys should keep talking about it and listen to internet samples. Meanwhile I’ll use my mic’s.
Did you end up lifting s2? Unfortunately we all need to keep talking about it because most of us aren't as lucky as you to be able to experiment like that. I'm jealous! Also annoyed now that you have pushed me one step closer to loosing $12,000 AUD and purchasing the reissue....
Old 13th July 2018
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I have already swapped out capsules, supply’s with 5 different U67’s. Tested with s2 lifted, went through 15 different tubes, even different cables. Enough sources to drive you crazy.
The new capsule is slightly brighter. Tubes made a variety of sonic differences. Here’s the deal; left the reissue stock after all this, purchased two more reissue U67’s. Leaving them stock as well. You guys should keep talking about it and listen to internet samples. Meanwhile I’ll use my mic’s.
What did you hear in the low end with new v. old capsule?
Old 14th July 2018
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Mine just landed. I had to run out to play a gig so didnt get a chance to plug in until late last night. Just amazed how beautiful and detailed it sounds with a quick plug and play while singing and strumming an acoustic. There is what I can only describe as a roundness/fullness that I have heard before on recordings that I always wanted to capture and now I have it. Looking forward to recording this weekend. I feel like a little school girl....
Old 15th July 2018
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There is what I can only describe as a roundness/fullness that I have heard before on recordings that I always wanted to capture and now I have it. Looking forward to recording this weekend. I feel like a little school girl....
Fantastic, man. Awesome. Enjoy.
Old 17th July 2018
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Just change the tube and done. It will sound like that old one
Old 9th August 2018
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On of these days, somebody is going to do a test where the heads of the new and vintage are swapped, so we can hear the difference between capsules. Just saying.
And somebody did it! In fact, all the components were swapped.

The master weighs in:

Neumann U67 Reissue
Old 9th August 2018
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And somebody did it! In fact, all the components were swapped.

The master weighs in:

Neumann U67 Reissue
Aaand...
He hates it!
Lol
Old 9th August 2018
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And somebody did it! In fact, all the components were swapped.

The master weighs in:

Neumann U67 Reissue
Wow! Anyone thinking about dropping another 2k into their reissue after reading this? It is a bit intriguing.
Old 9th August 2018
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Aaand...
He hates it!
Lol
Would it be rude to say that it was an incredibly carefully written piece and your summary of it missed a couple of the nuances?
Old 9th August 2018
  #116
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Ouch. That review is pretty disheartening. While some of what contributes to this being a bust is out of Neumann’s control, namely lack of component availability and quality as it relates to tubes and even cables, by far the largest contributing factor is the capsule. And presumably Neumann could fix that (quality assurance problem). If they did they’d fix 70% of the problem, which isn’t exactly insignificant, according to the review. It’s more than a little annoying that the bulk of this problem comes down to quality assurance.
Old 9th August 2018
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It’s an interesting conclusion.

The diaphragms on m7s, for example, are much stiffer than k47 diaphragms...no one complains on that case about the stiffness effecting sound in those kind of ways.

A floppy diaphragm results in it being overly sensitive to plosives, to eventually failing breath test type scenarios.

Anyway, not discounting Klaus here, just initial thoughts.

I mean, personally, I think that the people most likely to fix capsules at consistent tension, are Neumann, in their lab, with the ability to test it and use their own equipment. Make frequency charts, test in anechoic chamber, etc etc.

Not someone listening with a set of headphones and none of that equipment. And I’m quite happy with work Klaus has done on vintage capsules, should state that.
Old 9th August 2018
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Wow that’s a negative review alright and also extremely interesting. Certainly thrown some cold water on my fantasies for now, despite high praise from others.
Old 9th August 2018
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I said it in the start of the thread that the mic is U67 AI from many reasons. Owners of the new 67s , said something different. Of course

Last edited by carloff; 9th August 2018 at 02:04 PM..
Old 9th August 2018
  #120
Sounds like Neumann did a great job.
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