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12,000 $ monitors suggestion ? Studio Monitors
Old 11th February 2018
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Personally I'm not sure I'd say there are 'no bad choices' - although there are plenty of good options, I've also used plenty of really quite poor monitors around this price (including some very well known and popular names). Just because you see monitor X or Y in a lot of places on console meter bridges or soffits does not mean it's a particularly good speaker - a lot of the time it's to do with who ran a deal with who at the right time.

Most engineers I know still take their own monitors to studios here in London, hence I don't think most studio owners are that fussed about the monitoring as long as it looks good on the website/looks flashy for clients.

Use your ears and for ABSOLUTELY make sure you do some direct comparisons in your own room - this will sort the chalk from the cheese, and tell you precisely which kind of cheese you actually want to eat...
Old 12th February 2018
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[QUOTE=AlexK;13134910]Personally I'm not sure I'd say there are 'no bad choices' - although there are plenty of good options, I've also used plenty of really quite poor monitors around this price (including some very well known and popular names).[/sQUOTE]

The OP listed four manufacturers and included five models total. If you think any of them are “really quite poor” monitors, please identify them. That would be of some value.
I have not used “plenty of monitors around this price”. I was not aware that there ARE plenty of studio monitors above $10,000. Maybe “plenty” could denote a far smaller number for you than most of us would expect.
Old 12th February 2018
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If you've got a large budget like 12K to spend on monitors then I can only think of three letters where my money would go.

ATC.

Probably the 25's unless your room can take the 45's - both are utterly fantastic.
Old 12th February 2018
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Dutch & Dutch 8C......

I much prefer to ATC or anything else I have used over the last 25 Years.
I your price range I would Definitely audition.
The Translation is remarkable and I am working quicker.
Old 12th February 2018
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I've said it before and ill say it again...

ATC SCM45A Pro..

Best money ive spent..
Old 12th February 2018
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I have to chime in at this point.
And I am positively surprised that people suggest the right speakers and not all the KRK, Adam, HEDD bullsh***.
Even Barefoot, in my humble opinion, is hugely overrated.

So yes, with 12k$ you should look and hear into these: ATC, PMC, D&D, Kii
Forget everything else.
With all the mentioned above you can't go wrong.. and in the end it comes down to personal taste and preferences.

my 0.25 cents

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Old 13th February 2018
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... So yes, with 12k$ you should look and hear into these: ATC, PMC, D&D, Kii
Forget everything else ...
Agree but do they have to rhyme (atC, pmC, d&D, kiI) or can we add Amphion, Focal & Genelec?
Old 13th February 2018
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And I am positively surprised that people suggest the right speakers and not all the KRK, Adam, HEDD ****



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do they have to rhyme
Yes.

Old 13th February 2018
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[QUOTE=Bushman;13134984]
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Personally I'm not sure I'd say there are 'no bad choices' - although there are plenty of good options, I've also used plenty of really quite poor monitors around this price (including some very well known and popular names).[/sQUOTE]

The OP listed four manufacturers and included five models total. If you think any of them are “really quite poor” monitors, please identify them. That would be of some value.
I have not used “plenty of monitors around this price”. I was not aware that there ARE plenty of studio monitors above $10,000. Maybe “plenty” could denote a far smaller number for you than most of us would expect.
I'm sorry my post was not of any value to you, but unfortunately I don't wish to elaborate any more than in my previous post.
Old 13th February 2018
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[QUOTE=AlexK;13138779]
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I'm sorry my post was not of any value to you, but unfortunately I don't wish to elaborate any more than in my previous post.
I will try to deal with my resulting sharp sense of loss. Thanks for replying, however enigmatically.
Old 14th February 2018
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Strauss .....? there is no problem ....just do that !
Old 14th February 2018
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Strauss .....? there is no problem ....just do that !
Pics or didnt happen ..
Old 14th February 2018
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i'll add ++ that the room needs to be right. after i had my room re-designed by a professional and the Euro fell against the USD, i could afford a pair of Geithain RL901k which i had wanted for so long having worked on them before.. so that's what i went for and they've been wonderful.
Old 14th February 2018
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Old 14th February 2018
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There's different ways to tackle this.

All assuming your room is already quite good:

Speakers for you max amount of money
Speakers + optimizer box for your max amount of money.

All the usual suspects have already been named. I'm a personal fan of PMCs, especially the IB2 and MB2XBD (out of your budget). I own B&W N802 myself, also a valid speaker.

I'm also a big fan of the Trinnov optimizer boxes. Even with high-end monitors in professionally designed rooms.
At work we have several studios with 5.1/7.1/stereo sets of different Neumann monitors all going trough the Trinnovs. The difference is just astonishing!

Give them a try!
Old 19th February 2018
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Thank you all for the replies ! I appreciate it !

I went with the Kii Three's , next week i'll place an order for them !!!

Thank you once again !
Old 20th February 2018
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Thank you all for the replies ! I appreciate it !

I went with the Kii Three's , next week i'll place an order for them !!!

Thank you once again !

before putting down your final order, at least listen to D&D 8C !
Old 20th February 2018
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before putting down your final order, at least listen to D&D 8C !
i can't do that, i dont have a place were to listent !
Old 20th February 2018
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i can't do that, i dont have a place were to listent !
How about your own place? Normally you don't buy high end monitors without listening to them in your own room.
Old 20th February 2018
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How about your own place? Normally you don't buy high end monitors without listening to them in your own room.
Yeah , normally ....

my situation was : choose from the 4 options above !! that's it !
Old 20th February 2018
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Yeah , normally ....

my situation was : choose from the 4 options above !! that's it !
I believe the point raised by earcatcher is that you choose to get these monitors without even listen to the monitors on the list, and when you're doing that kind of investement I'd usually at least go in other rooms/studio and listen to them (would be better to mix but at least listen).

Like this is really a shot in the dark..
Although every monitor on the list is for sure good enough to provide professional results, you still don't know what is YOUR preferred monitor between them, and reading my or other comments/opinion on a forum will not change that.



Cheu
Old 8th June 2018
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i use my CK cubes with bryston 4b no subs
Old 8th June 2018
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Does he do his mixes with nothing but MixCubes and a sub? Or does he check his mixes on MCs?

I use CK cubes (modeled from the Auratone 5c) with a Bryston 4b power amp no subs
Old 8th June 2018
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Agree 110% !! But we know that will not happen because there is no money in telling the truth, but LOTS of money in selling gear, plugins, and retreats with the "Masters".

The real truth is that the single biggest advantage any "pro" engineer has over a novice is the FACT that they are producing/mixing music in a custom designed, VERY accurate room where they actually can hear what they are doing -- IOW the TRUTH, the whole TRUTH, and nothing but the TRUTH for each and every processing decision they make ! The OP seems to have placed his priorities in reverse: he wants to invest $12K in some fancy monitors and then slap up $500 worth of DIY treatment as an afterthought. And that's most likely because he's heard over and over on internet forums that the "pros" could mix anywhere, that a DIY bedroom studio with a +- 7 to 10db swing from 20-20,000 Hz is "good enough".
I don't think this is true. 95% of the mix engineers I know do NOT work in a great room in LA or Nashville. All the rooms are flawed, some far worse than others. Maybe more of the mastering guys I know work in good rooms, but almost none of the mix engineers. Besides, the ones in demand are moving around constantly, this room in LA, then that one in Nashville, or Atlanta, taking their near fields along but never one place long enough to treat it.

And I don't know what you re talking about with the "lots of money" bit. None of the makers of the high end stuff are rich that I know. Far more of the makers of the cheap stuff are: it sells in much much greater quantity. The real business of helping the top level mixers/studio owners/mastering guys is ALWAYS telling the truth. Its a relationship you seek, to be trusted and never treat customers like they are source of revenue. Those greedy folks never make it, they are ignored almost immediately by folks that mix for a living.

Brad
Old 11th June 2018
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“Make the room deserve the speakers.” That’s worth repeating.
It most certainly is worth repeating, again, for emphasis.
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It most certainly is worth repeating, again, for emphasis.
Thank you for the mention. That was a fortunate random thought. I wish I had ten other things to say that we’re half as solid.
Old 11th June 2018
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Go Barefoot MM27! Best thing I've ever done. I'd sell my car before I get rid of them.
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Originally Posted by Bushman
“Make the room deserve the speakers.” That’s worth repeating.

QUOTE=JRT_in_WMass;13363350]It most certainly is worth repeating, again, for emphasis.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, because any listen to any set of speakers is never the speakers alone.

Too many times we run into "I don't like this speaker and I hated that speaker" which really means the sound of that speaker in THAT room. Its surprising how few have ever heard their own speakers in a more neutral space- like outside away from all walls- to realize just how significant the room sound influences the total sound they are working with. So the way things worked in the past was too many people unconsciously bought the opposite flaw to the room. Move to a new room and "oh no!".

Brad
Old 12th June 2018
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Before spending $12k on anything go out and listen to some monitors, to quote the Stones you can’t get what you want, till you know what you want! What kind of tweeter do you like? Dome? EMT? Compression driver? How much lowend do I need? Can I live with near field or do I want mid field? What kind of SPL do I need?
I know what I like, I know what I would spend that kind of money on but that’s me not you, like mics speakers are about personal taste and the original reasoning behind the near field was something an engineer could take from place to place and be comfortable as much as a reference for what the common man had.
I would look at ATC, Quested, PMC , B&W 800 series but that’s me.
Old 13th June 2018
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Kii. Simple and fast answer.
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