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The Dutch & Dutch 8Cs are remarkable speakers..
Old 4 weeks ago
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I'm sorry, Matthijs, that you have taken offence from me calling you what you had called yourself. I hope that you won't do it again.
I’m sorry you feel the need to post such a gracious comment, trying to make point even after the self-depreciation nature has been explained. Your posts in this topic are quite negative, but perhaps I’m more of a glass-half-full kinda guy (ie appreciating the participation of several D&D members online). Cheers
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I’m sorry you feel the need to post such a gracious comment, trying to make point even after the self-depreciation nature has been explained. Your posts in this topic are quite negative, but perhaps I’m more of a glass-half-full kinda guy (ie appreciating the participation of several D&D members online). Cheers
I apologise. I was trying to be playful, but in retrospect I can see that I didn't do too well.

If I have caused offence, I apologise again - to all concerned.

Best wishes,
Pete
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I apologise. I was trying to be playful, but in retrospect I can see that I didn't do too well.

If I have caused offence, I apologise again - to all concerned.

Best wishes,
Pete
Great to hear
Old 4 weeks ago
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Then just jump back to the topic and again appreciate the time of the D&D folks discussing with us
Old 4 weeks ago
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BTW: Who is using Allo Bridge to use Roon over the D&D?
Old 4 weeks ago
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BTW: Who is using Allo Bridge to use Roon over the D&D?
How would the Allo bridge be connected, I thought digital AES in (or -when available- LAN in) is preferable? (minimum conversions)
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How would the Allo bridge be connected, I thought digital AES in (or -when available- LAN in) is preferable? (minimum conversions)
Via SPDIF to AES Converter.
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Ah thanks, you mean the Allo DigiOne (the ‘bridge’ has an USB out). I haven’t got experience with Allo I’m afraid. Personally I’m most interested to listen at AES digital-in vs LAN-in.
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Ah thanks, you mean the Allo DigiOne (the ‘bridge’ has an USB out). I haven’t got experience with Allo I’m afraid. Personally I’m most interested to listen at AES digital-in vs LAN-in.
Yes the Digi One! You can use a converter to AES.
I hope D&D will implement Roon as best as possible and will make solutions like Allo obsolete...
Old 4 weeks ago
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Anyone using the AES input on the Dutch with an Uaudio Apollo (which has SPDIF), if so how are you converting to AES?
Old 4 weeks ago
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Anyone using the AES input on the Dutch with an Uaudio Apollo (which has SPDIF), if so how are you converting to AES?
I don’t know if this would help:

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...2--hosa-odl312
Old 4 weeks ago
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The SPDIF is RCA outs, not the optical.

I just ordered the apollo, hoping I can find a solution, hahaha
Old 4 weeks ago
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The SPDIF is RCA outs, not the optical.

I just ordered the apollo, hoping I can find a solution, hahaha
There is an equivalent box by Hosa with RCA SPIDF. There are also smaller and less expensive adapters by Canare and Nuetrik.
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There is an equivalent box by Hosa with RCA SPIDF. There are also smaller and less expensive adapters by Canare and Nuetrik.
Canare should be good to convert spdif to aes.
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Canare should be good to convert spdif to aes.
I wonder if the converters also convert the protocol properly, I was reading on rane.com that you can convert the electrical interface, but the protocol used in AES3 and SPDIF is not exactly the same....

"The basic data formats are identical, but there is a bit in the channel status frame that tells which is which, and assigns certain bits different meanings."

I guess i'll just buy the converter and see if it works.
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I wonder if the converters also convert the protocol properly, I was reading on rane.com that you can convert the electrical interface, but the protocol used in AES3 and SPDIF is not exactly the same....

"The basic data formats are identical, but there is a bit in the channel status frame that tells which is which, and assigns certain bits different meanings."

I guess i'll just buy the converter and see if it works.
https://www.rane.com/note149.html

It should if the converter is well made. Canare?
Maybe the D&D guys could give us an answer?
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https://www.rane.com/note149.html

It should if the converter is well made. Canare?
Maybe the D&D guys could give us an answer?
There are often settings on sound cards and interfaces (RME, for example) that allow sending either AES or SPIDF data out through a SPIDF output. So definitely check your interface settings.
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"The basic data formats are identical, but there is a bit in the channel status frame that tells which is which, and assigns certain bits different meanings."

I guess i'll just buy the converter and see if it works.
Many devices ignore the channel status bits for AES or have a menu option to do so (I was looking at SSL stuff the other day and it had that settings option.) In many ways it's depreciated.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I like this solution for the Dutch & Dutch
https://www.liedtke-metalldesign.eu/...0%28DIVA%29%22
Old 4 weeks ago
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I wonder if the converters also convert the protocol properly, I was reading on rane.com that you can convert the electrical interface, but the protocol used in AES3 and SPDIF is not exactly the same....
The difference is only in the metadata sent along the audio, there's no need to worry about it.

A passive converter (75Ω to 110Ω impedance transformer) should also suffice, and in our testing it does, although not everyone seems to have success with it. The signal level of S/PDIF is quite low (0.5Vpp), although it gets bumped a bit by the transformer (to 0.6V minus insertion loss) and our receivers only require 0.2Vpp. At the very least it will reduce the margins available for coping with any signal imperfections. A transformer may itself also degrade the signal.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I quite like the John Darko video reviews, for those who find it interesting, now he has an ETa for his 8c review:

“the Dutch & Dutch 8c review, having endured two false starts and a long delay in between, should see the light of day before the end of June.”

Looking forward watching it and see what thinks of them. I’ll have my first listen at the 8c’s next week, very curious :-)
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Does he explain the reasons for the false starts?
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I quite like the John Darko video reviews, for those who find it interesting, now he has an ETa for his 8c review:

“the Dutch & Dutch 8c review, having endured two false starts and a long delay in between, should see the light of day before the end of June.”

Looking forward watching it and see what thinks of them. I’ll have my first listen at the 8c’s next week, very curious :-)
Where did you get that quote?
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Does he explain the reasons for the false starts?
From what I know the 8c were damaged while shipping. But I didn’t know that this was two times...
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Where did you get that quote?
Here you go: https://darko.audio/2019/05/into-tomorrow/
Old 3 weeks ago
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As an owner of the 8Cs now for almost six months, I have to say these are very good speakers. A family member (and fellow music aficionado) was blown away after a recent visit. I'd like to share some photos/REW measurements soon.

On a side note, have any other 8C owners noticed intermittent creaks/pops from the speakers? I get the impression that it's related to the room's slight ambient temp fluctuations, when the AC kicks in and stuff. Is this normal?
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As an owner of the 8Cs now for almost six months, I have to say these are very good speakers. A family member (and fellow music aficionado) was blown away after a recent visit. I'd like to share some photos/REW measurements soon.

On a side note, have any other 8C owners noticed intermittent creaks/pops from the speakers? I get the impression that it's related to the room's slight ambient temp fluctuations, when the AC kicks in and stuff. Is this normal?
Cool Feedback!

Does it appear when the compressor of the AC kicks in? Maybe it creates a lot of noise in the power network in your house? Are they connected to the same line?
Old 3 weeks ago
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As an owner of the 8Cs now for almost six months, I have to say these are very good speakers. A family member (and fellow music aficionado) was blown away after a recent visit. I'd like to share some photos/REW measurements soon.

On a side note, have any other 8C owners noticed intermittent creaks/pops from the speakers? I get the impression that it's related to the room's slight ambient temp fluctuations, when the AC kicks in and stuff. Is this normal?
I get small little ticks when changing sample rate with the AES inputs. Are you using AES or analog inputs?
Old 3 weeks ago
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On a side note, have any other 8C owners noticed intermittent creaks/pops from the speakers? I get the impression that it's related to the room's slight ambient temp fluctuations, when the AC kicks in and stuff. Is this normal?
I have this problem too. It goes away and then it comes back. It's annoying. It doesn't seem connected to any fluctuations. I'm using AES but I don't think the sample rate is changing when it happens.
Old 3 weeks ago
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I have this problem too. It goes away and then it comes back. It's annoying. It doesn't seem connected to any fluctuations. I'm using AES but I don't think the sample rate is changing when it happens.
The guys of D&D should investigate in that. Does it happen when you start a track and a Moment before starting the playback or does it happen during I would think this is something about the software and muting the amp/dac.
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