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Microphones with a "focused" sound
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Microphones with a "focused" sound

Hi everyone, I understand this might be a bit of a strange question, but here it is...
What makes some microphones sound more "focused" than others? What I mean is with some mics for ex. u87s and c414s in my experience, I find the recordings to have a more "focused" sound, is strange but is like as if they sounded more 3d and mono.. as if the sound is more focused in the middle.. but how can that be? Shouldn't any mono source sound in the center anyways? Is like with lesser expensive mics I hear a more "flat and wide" sound...
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Could be a slightly tighter pickup pattern in cardioid, maybe those mics are a bit more mid focused, as well.
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Could be a slightly tighter pickup pattern in cardioid, maybe those mics are a bit more mid focused, as well.
I see what you mean, but I don't think that's the case, the same could be said if they are used in omni mode..
What I don't understand is how can a mono signal sound more mono then another one ?
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It's possible what you're perceiving is the result of listening to these differences in stereo rather than a single monitor. As you know, stereo playback creates a phantom center, and this alone can create a modified perception of the center image due to numerous factors/inconsistencies from the playback system and the room itself. Differences in this type of effect can be more noticeable simply due to the variant responses between mics.

The good news is, if this is indeed what you're hearing, it means you have good ears



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It's possible what you're perceiving is the result of listening to these differences in stereo rather than a single monitor. As you know, stereo playback creates a phantom center, and this alone can create a modified perception of the center image due to numerous factors/inconsistencies from the playback system and the room itself. Differences in this type of effect can be more noticeable simply due to the variant responses between mics.

The good news is, if this is indeed what you're hearing, it means you have good ears



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mh, that would explain why the effect is less noticeable if you hipass the signal, cutting a lot of room mode problems out of the equation..
But could it also have to do with different dynamic responses of the mics? As in, maybe a microphone can better capture transients than another one, and since transients are full of high frequencies these mics can result in a better focused center image?


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mh, that would explain why the effect is less noticeable if you hipass the signal, cutting a lot of room mode problems out of the equation..
But could it also have to do with different dynamic responses of the mics? As in, maybe a microphone can better capture transients than another one, and since transients are full of high frequencies these mics can result in a better focused center image?


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Yes, and if by chance you're recording with mics in the same control room in which your monitoring, it could further exaggerate the effects of what you're hearing. But I'm sure you understand everyone's listening environment is different, so there's no need to be overly concerned about this phenomena since what your hearing would change on another listener's system. The best thing you can do is make sure your room is treated well, and you have a nicely calibrated monitoring set up. Beyond that, you could check in true mono with a single speaker when you review your recordings.

It's good to learn these types of principles and how sound is affected , but it would be rather pointless to select microphones with a primary concern of how their mono capture translates to a phantom center image. It's kind of like a dog chasing its tail, since these effects are not repeatably consistent across other systems.

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Yes, and if by chance you're recording with mics in the same control room in which your monitoring, it could further exaggerate the effects of what you're hearing. But I'm sure you understand everyone's listening environment is different, so there's no need to be overly concerned about this phenomena since what your hearing would change on another listener's system. The best thing you can do is make sure your room is treated well, and you have a nicely calibrated monitoring set up. Beyond that, you could check in true mono with a single speaker when you review your recordings.

It's good to learn these types of principles and how sound is affected , but it would be rather pointless to select microphones with a primary concern of how their mono capture translates to a phantom center image. It's kind of like a dog chasing its tail, since these effects are not repeatably consistent across other systems.

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Yeah, I see what you're saying.. I'd have to listen to these shootouts in some other studios to see the difference... either way there's something I really like about u87s and c414s, especially 414s for some weird reason.. the top end sounds less "airy" then an 87 also I think maybe a bit less bottom too but there's some quality to the top end of a 414 I particularly like, very distinctive, sort of soft and clear..
But we're getting into sommelier territory here
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