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The mysterious C451E/EB 10dB pad.. Needed on snare? Condenser Microphones
Old 27th September 2016
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The mysterious C451E/EB 10dB pad.. Needed on snare?

Looking to pick up a vintage 451 for snare duty (blending it in with a 57), but I can't seem to find any with the screw-on 10dB pad included. Anyone know if they were sold separately or where to find them now? Perhaps some DIY is in order?

Also, anyone had any luck on snare without the 10dB pad? I'm only concerned that the mic body electronics would be overloaded as i can easily pad the preamp.

Gracias for your help, amigos.
Old 27th September 2016
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I got a vintage 451 and if it's not a soft drummer, it will clip anywhere near the snare. The pads can be found regularly on german/austrian ebay. Last time I saw one it cost something like a bit under 100 euros. There are -10 and (rare) even 1-20dB pads. IF it clips it still sounds okay, but you won't have much of a transient left.
Old 27th September 2016
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My experience with the 451eb agrees with frans. A snare, not even hit hard, is too loud for the mic without the pad.

I imagine a DIY pad from a circuit point of view would be reasonably straightforward, but how you'd reliably connect that circuit between capsule and pre would be the hard part.
Old 27th September 2016
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Somebody like Stewart Taverner from xaudia.com can make interconnections and stuff for vintage mics*, so if you know how to machine a piece of metal, get the tools, etc.etc...(days, weeks and months and a considerable sum of money later)... you could also take the short and cheap route and buy them used.
*but he never did pads for a 451, as far as I know
Old 27th September 2016
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Ebay Austria FTW! Found both the 10 and 20 dB'ers in a matter of seconds. You guys rock.

Assuming I can get one of these bad boys shipped to the states, would you guys go for the 10 dB or the 20? Typically track indie rock drummers but nobody is slamming TOO hard.
Old 27th September 2016
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Just buy 2x 10 dB pad's ! You can screw these together.
(Inside the pad is only one capacitor...)

In that case you have both options.
Old 27th September 2016
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Just buy 2x 10 dB pad's ! You can screw these together.
(Inside the pad is only one capacitor...)

In that case you have both options.
Ha! Genius.

Added bonus - I'll have two 10's for when I eventually end up with a pair of 451's anyway...
Old 27th September 2016
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If I had to choose, it'd be the 20dB pad. Assuming you've got a mic pre that will do plenty of gain without being too noisy you shouldn't find yourself in a situation where you can't acceptably mic up a snare.

Two 10 dB pads is a good suggestion.
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Ha! Genius.

Added bonus - I'll have two 10's for when I eventually end up with a pair of 451's anyway...
Clever thinking !!!
Old 27th September 2016
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In the rare case the seller doesn't want to ship to the US, I can help.
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Ebay Austria FTW! Found both the 10 and 20 dB'ers in a matter of seconds. You guys rock.
Probably it is 'Wavemeister'? Bought a CK5 capsule and a -10db pad there not too long ago. He also sells through the store at wavemeister.net. (If you're buying from non-EU countries without VAT) Great and fast service, highly recommended.
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