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elegentdrum 6th August 2018 12:38 AM

After reading this thread, now I have to get one. It will be hooked to a pair of TT cables, then I can tap the patch bay and check every signal.

Slutz........Dam you!

kirito 7th August 2018 11:59 AM

Trying the beast for few hours now... It's really good.

In comparaison I think the headphone output of my interface is not a disaster, the Audient iD22.

But yes, much more clarity, punch and depth. All of this even at low level, which is an important point for me :)

Big invest but i'm happy.

next step will be to buy Mogami TRS cables to connect it to my interface

Thomas Johansen 26th August 2018 09:54 PM

Hey there,
Has anyone compared the Monotor to the Grace M905's headphone o/p?

Thomas Ross Johansen

Sweepes 7th September 2018 07:44 PM

Monotor vs Lake People g103-p, who wins?

mustgroove 28th September 2018 08:25 PM

I'm using a Benchmark DAC2 HGC as my main converter and headphone amp at the moment, and I'm wondering how much of an improvement the Monotor will be. My main reason for buying the DAC2 was that it was both a serious converter and a serious headphone amp, as opposed to other serious converters where the headphone amp is less of a priority.

I'm drawn to the Monotor because of the extensive mono monitoring options - I'm really keen to have those options on a hardware knob rather than in software. But I'm just wondering how much of an improvement it would be as a headphone amp versus the DAC2.

kirito 28th September 2018 11:55 PM

I bought some mogami cables for this headphone amp. It's crazy how cables can change sound quality. Low end became more clear and kicks are more punchy

Pictus 29th September 2018 12:12 AM

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Paco1175 29th September 2018 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kirito (Post 13541890)
I bought some mogami cables for this headphone amp. It's crazy how cables can change sound quality. Low end became more clear and kicks are more clear

Hi Kirito, do you have a link to where to buy those cables? Would love to try those between my Apollo Twin mkII and the Monotor.

whippoorwill 30th September 2018 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Paco1175 (Post 13542231)
Hi Kirito, do you have a link to where to buy those cables? Would love to try those between my Apollo Twin mkII and the Monotor.

I'd recommend making some short Grimm TPR cables or buying Vovox Link Direct.
Mogami is good, but Grimm TPR is better and at interconnect length cost shouldn't be a factor, especially living in Europe close to Grimm.

I've tried Sommer Onyx, Carbokab, Grimm TPR, Van Damme, Vovox, Mogami, Digiflex, random unbranded cabling and homemade braided cotton tubing and occ copper wires.

Paco1175 3rd October 2018 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by whippoorwill (Post 13543485)
I'd recommend making some short Grimm TPR cables or buying Vovox Link Direct.
Mogami is good, but Grimm TPR is better and at interconnect length cost shouldn't be a factor, especially living in Europe close to Grimm.

I've tried Sommer Onyx, Carbokab, Grimm TPR, Van Damme, Vovox, Mogami, Digiflex, random unbranded cabling and homemade braided cotton tubing and occ copper wires.

Just ordered a couple of meters of Grimm TRP cable and some Neutrik xlr’s and jacks. Really curious if I will be able to hear a difference :) I am using Klotz cables with Neutrik xlr/jack’s right now.

whippoorwill 4th October 2018 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Paco1175 (Post 13549018)
Just ordered a couple of meters of Grimm TRP cable and some Neutrik xlr’s and jacks. Really curious if I will be able to hear a difference :) I am using Klotz cables with Neutrik xlr/jack’s right now.

What headphones are you using?

One interesting way to test is to play a mono signal, like some 50's Jazz (I used a high quality version of this song: YouTube )
Have Left input on the monotor being fed by one cable and the Right by the other, then use the monotor mono L & R switch to check between the two, better yet, get an assistant to do that bit while you don't look.
Then stereo signals.

You can also send one signal out of outputs 1&2 on a DAC to inputs 1&2 on the monotor, and 3&4 to the parallel inputs. Then use a DAW to flip back and forth.

You get a bit more performance out of the monotor by switching off the pot, be careful of the signal levels you send it though!

Paco1175 4th October 2018 04:18 PM

Audeze LCD-X and Sennheiser HD650 ;)

Now that’s a great idea to check the difference in cables with the Monotor! Thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by whippoorwill (Post 13551472)
What headphones are you using?

One interesting way to test is to play a mono signal, like some 50's Jazz (I used a high quality version of this song: YouTube )
Have Left input on the monotor being fed by one cable and the Right by the other, then use the monotor mono L & R switch to check between the two, better yet, get an assistant to do that bit while you don't look.
Then stereo signals.

You can also send one signal out of outputs 1&2 on a DAC to inputs 1&2 on the monotor, and 3&4 to the parallel inputs. Then use a DAW to flip back and forth.

You get a bit more performance out of the monotor by switching off the pot, be careful of the signal levels you send it though!


Paco1175 5th October 2018 10:20 AM

Ok, so I made myself a pair of those GRIMM cables and did the mono test with the Monotor like you said. I downloaded that Billie Holiday’s song in a FLAC version and then some Beatles Sgt.Peppers (original mono mix) I’m sure other people have better ears than mine but still I could really hear a difference, much to my surprise actually. The sound had more “air, presence” to it with the GRIMM cable. I could clearly hear that when the saxophone kicks in in that Billie Holiday song. Listening to The Beatles I could also hear a more refined, less muffled bass guitar/stand-up bass. Really happy I did this experiment. Cables DO make a difference :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by whippoorwill (Post 13551472)
What headphones are you using?

One interesting way to test is to play a mono signal, like some 50's Jazz (I used a high quality version of this song: YouTube )
Have Left input on the monotor being fed by one cable and the Right by the other, then use the monotor mono L & R switch to check between the two, better yet, get an assistant to do that bit while you don't look.
Then stereo signals.

You can also send one signal out of outputs 1&2 on a DAC to inputs 1&2 on the monotor, and 3&4 to the parallel inputs. Then use a DAW to flip back and forth.

You get a bit more performance out of the monotor by switching off the pot, be careful of the signal levels you send it though!


whippoorwill 5th October 2018 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paco1175 (Post 13552747)
Ok, so I made myself a pair of those GRIMM cables and did the mono test with the Monotor like you said. I downloaded that Billie Holiday’s song in a FLAC version and then some Beatles Sgt.Peppers (original mono mix) I’m sure other people have better ears than mine but still I could really hear a difference, much to my surprise actually. The sound had more “air, presence” to it with the GRIMM cable. I could clearly hear that when the saxophone kicks in in that Billie Holiday song. Listening to The Beatles I could also hear a more refined, less muffled bass guitar/stand-up bass. Really happy I did this experiment. Cables DO make a difference :)

Amazing! Congratulations.
Vovox is a little step up again. Grimm is an excellent cable and I am about to order more lengths of Grimm to use as microphone cables. It's great to have good cabling in your monitoring chain, where it makes the most difference and allows you to hear more minute differences. The end result is I make EQ and compression choices faster than ever, or judge microphone positioning a little bit more accurately and quickly so the results actually end up translating better down to crappy speakers.

I'd love to try the LCD-X someday.

Paco1175 6th October 2018 07:15 AM

That’s what I’m going to do as well. With the rest of the Grimm TRP cable I am going to make a pair of mic cables for overdubs/vocal/guitar tracking ;)

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Originally Posted by whippoorwill (Post 13553290)
Amazing! Congratulations.
Vovox is a little step up again. Grimm is an excellent cable and I am about to order more lengths of Grimm to use as microphone cables. It's great to have good cabling in your monitoring chain, where it makes the most difference and allows you to hear more minute differences. The end result is I make EQ and compression choices faster than ever, or judge microphone positioning a little bit more accurately and quickly so the results actually end up translating better down to crappy speakers.

I'd love to try the LCD-X someday.


kirito 8th October 2018 01:41 AM

Never heard about Grimm before, i will try too if i can.

I spend hours listening with the little monotor... I think it's so good, it reveals if you have a good interface or not :facepalm:

I can hear some kind of unpleasant light distorsion from my Audient iD22 with FLAC and other lossless files. And of course YouTube. Distorsion become really obvious too.

It's like the monotor asking me to buy a better interface.. xd a lyra 2 probably

adam_f 8th October 2018 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kirito (Post 13557560)
Never heard about Grimm before, i will try too if i can.

I spend hours listening with the little monotor... I think it's so good, it reveals if you have a good interface or not :facepalm:

I can hear some kind of unpleasant light distorsion from my Audient iD22 with FLAC and other lossless files. And of course YouTube. Distorsion become really obvious too.

It's like the monotor asking me to buy a better interface.. xd a lyra 2 probably

It really is an ear-opening piece of gear!

whippoorwill 13th October 2018 11:26 PM

has anyone noticed a slight improvement of sound in R/L vs L/R?
I set up a test rig to switch the stereo channels sent out at the same time.

Henrik Hjortnaes 16th January 2019 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirito (Post 13458017)
Trying the beast for few hours now... It's really good.

In comparaison I think the headphone output of my interface is not a disaster, the Audient iD22.

But yes, much more clarity, punch and depth. All of this even at low level, which is an important point for me :)

next step will be to buy Mogami TRS cables to connect it to my interface

Are you still using this setup? Where is the Monotor placed in your signal chain? Are you using the volume control on the iD22 for main speaker level? Is it in any way disruptive to the workflow compared to not having it in the chain? Any further comments on using this setup? :)

kirito 24th January 2019 10:12 PM

Still using this setup. Monotor is just placed on the outputs of the iD22. Yes i use volume main knob for speakers but i will buy a second hand Prism interface soon probably so setup will change.

I never tried other headphone amp its my first one but i can't live without now. Sometimes i just listen to music to relax after work and i can't stop, because i hear things i never heard before. So maybe there are better then monotor but i'm happy with it

Henrik Hjortnaes 25th January 2019 10:59 PM

@ kirito , thank you.

kirito 8th February 2019 06:35 PM

Are there people here who use the Monotor to connect speakers on the second outputs ?

adam_f 9th February 2019 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kirito (Post 13799293)
Are there people here who use the Monotor to connect speakers on the second outputs ?

Yes!

I use the TRS jacks on the rear to connect to my monitors using a JBL Nano Patch for volume and mute control, basically I leave the nano patch in mute when listening to headphones from the Monitor, when I want to listen to the main, I un-mute the Nano Patch.

kirito 9th February 2019 05:48 AM

Nice ! i want to do same setup with a palmer monicon volume controller.

Do you feel it changes the sound quality of the headphone output or not?

adam_f 9th February 2019 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by kirito (Post 13800409)
Nice ! i want to do same setup with a palmer monicon volume controller.

Do you feel it changes the sound quality of the headphone output or not?

No, the headphones still come out of the Monotor, while the Nano Patch sits between the Monotor and the mains and only feeds the mains. However, after talking with Jonathan Little, we figured the passive Nano Patch would work (impedance wise,) you should give him a call and can help you figure if the Palmer will be a good combo.

kirito 9th February 2019 07:45 AM

Okay thank you very much

12tone 9th February 2019 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kirito (Post 13799293)
Are there people here who use the Monotor to connect speakers on the second outputs ?

I do.

SSL Sigma -> Monotor, sends-> Barefoot FP01s.

I use the Sigma Remote Control app to control the volume.(or from the volume knob on the Sigma)

kirito 9th February 2019 01:18 PM

If you need to listen to headphone only , you can mute your speakers ?

12tone 9th February 2019 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kirito (Post 13800790)
If you need to listen to headphone only , you can mute your speakers ?

Power switch on speakers.

adam_f 9th February 2019 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirito (Post 13800790)
If you need to listen to headphone only , you can mute your speakers ?

This is why I have the Nano Patch, it has a mute switch; $59 and more importantly - compatible with Monotor.

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