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Adele Hello Vocal Chain Condenser Microphones
Old 30th March 2016
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Adele Hello Vocal Chain

From the co-songwriter article and Tom Elmhirst mixing article.

Tracking: U47>1073>LA2A>Protools

Mixing: Protools>Neve VR72 channel>insert Neve 1066>Urie Bluestripe 1176>Fairchild 660>insert return>Protools
Reverb prints from Capital Studios Chambers
AMS delay, Eventide preset “Canyon,” a plate, a spring.
ITB: Notching EQ, De-essing, automation

Looks like I'm going to need to save some more money.
Old 31st March 2016
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Great infos

Thank you very much !

R.
Old 31st March 2016
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Looks like I'm going to need to save some more money.
or you could just engineer some sort of contribution to your field. But yah it does require some money.
Old 31st March 2016
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Different strokes for different folks, but I don't like her vocal sound. I think she would sound much better through a vintage Neumann M49 with less reverb, delay and processing. Although cool on electric guitar, I am not a fan of the Eventide "Canyon" setting for vocals and I don't know why anyone would ever stack 4-5 different reverbs on top of each other for a female vocal on a pop or jazz record (I guess because they could!). I would also use an optical compressor (like an LA-2A or a Manley ELOP) on her as a Urei Blue Stripe, while absolutely incredible sounding on electric guitar, bass, kick drum, and hard rock vocals, is way too heavy handed (to my ears) to be used on something as delicate as a female vocal ballad or pop singer. But what do I know? She sells zillions of records and I don't.
Old 31st March 2016
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Different strokes for different folks, but I don't like her vocal sound. I think she would sound much better through a vintage Neumann M49 with less reverb, delay and processing. Although cool on electric guitar, I am not a fan of the Eventide "Canyon" setting for vocals and I don't know why anyone would ever stack 4-5 different reverbs on top of each other for a female vocal on a pop or jazz record (I guess because they could!). I would also use an optical compressor (like an LA-2A or a Manley ELOP) on her as a Urei Blue Stripe, while absolutely incredible sounding on electric guitar, bass, kick drum, and hard rock vocals, is way too heavy handed (to my ears) to be used on something as delicate as a female vocal ballad or pop singer. But what do I know? She sells zillions of records and I don't.
it's what all the cool kids are doing.

While all the independents were poorly using heavy reverb, compression and saturation, now these great engineers are just using their brute force to do it with spades. Real-cool peeps...

but it has nothing to do with Adele or how many records she sells.
Old 31st March 2016
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Originally Posted by Oldone View Post
From the co-songwriter article and Tom Elmhirst mixing article.

Tracking: U47>1073>LA2A>Protools

Mixing: Protools>Neve VR72 channel>insert Neve 1066>Urie Bluestripe 1176>Fairchild 660>insert return>Protools
Reverb prints from Capital Studios Chambers
AMS delay, Eventide preset “Canyon,” a plate, a spring.
ITB: Notching EQ, De-essing, automation

Looks like I'm going to need to save some more money.
No kidding! Just think how much it will cost to hire Adele to sing on your tracks

Adele>U47>1073>LA2A>Protools

The part in bold is the most important part of that chain, the rest isn't nearly as critical...
Old 31st March 2016
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Different strokes for different folks, but I don't like her vocal sound. I think she would sound much better through a vintage Neumann M49 with less reverb, delay and processing. Although cool on electric guitar, I am not a fan of the Eventide "Canyon" setting for vocals and I don't know why anyone would ever stack 4-5 different reverbs on top of each other for a female vocal on a pop or jazz record (I guess because they could!). I would also use an optical compressor (like an LA-2A or a Manley ELOP) on her as a Urei Blue Stripe, while absolutely incredible sounding on electric guitar, bass, kick drum, and hard rock vocals, is way too heavy handed (to my ears) to be used on something as delicate as a female vocal ballad or pop singer. But what do I know? She sells zillions of records and I don't.
First lets just start with the fact that Adele's vocal sound comes right out of Adele's mouth. And yes, different strokes for different folks, no rights or wrongs.

Second, I don't think Tom "stacked" any reverbs, he had them available on sends from the console and used and blended them to taste per song.


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Old 31st March 2016
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I don't think anyone is debating that Adele is fantastic. This is an engineering forum and gear forum. The key point is the tonality and sound of the vocal with that kind of treatment. She didn't sing the eq'd reverb and delays nor the upper slightly saturated midrange bump provided by the bluestripe or the expanded but controlled low volume information expanded by the Fairchild.

It's a chain, this is the sound you get with that chain, not the performance, the sound. I for one think it's engineering art outside the performance of the singer. The sonic paintbrushes used were interesting and educational, this was the point.
Old 31st March 2016
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I don't think anyone is debating that Adele is fantastic. This is an engineering forum and gear forum. The key point is the tonality and sound of the vocal with that kind of treatment. She didn't sing the eq'd reverb and delays nor the upper slightly saturated midrange bump provided by the bluestripe or the expanded but controlled low volume information expanded by the Fairchild.

It's a chain, this is the sound you get with that chain, not the performance, the sound. I for one think it's engineering art outside the performance of the singer. The sonic paintbrushes used were interesting and educational, this was the point.
Of course, and my comment was mostly in jest, no argument here. The point is that it will still sound like Adele regardless of which mic/pre/comp is used. All things interact, and her voice being the source instrument is 95% responsible for that sound. It would be pretty hard to mess up getting phenominal sounding vocals recorded with her in front of any half decent chain properly used.

Put Tiny Tim in front of that same chain, and no one would care what gear was used Put Adele in front of any chain, and people will naturally want to dissect it and try and recreate that magic. Perfectly understandable.

You can buy the exact same saxaphone that Bird played, but if it ain't Bird playing it, it won't ever sound the same.

Of course the engineering and mixing on Adele's records are top notch, no question. I guess my only point is that the source will still trump expensive gear, and sometimes we can run in (expensive) circles chasing down that sound.
Old 31st March 2016
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I get it, but listen to Adele on 19 then compare that to 25. Same voice, basic mixing and sound quality. The gear can't perform I agree, but it can enhance things creating a stronger emotional connection for a listener. There is a huge listening appeal difference between those two albums. Something which you can listen to over and over (25) versus one which sounds like a good singer but not nearly as compelling for repeated play (19).

Speaking of nice gear, no slouch there Squawk https://www.gearslutz.com/board/mystudio/38686-squawk/
Old 31st March 2016
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I get it, but listen to Adele on 19 then compare that to 25. Same voice, basic mixing and sound quality. The gear can't perform I agree, but it can enhance things creating a stronger emotional connection for a listener. There is a huge listening appeal difference between those two albums. Something which you can listen to over and over (25) versus one which sounds like a good singer but not nearly as compelling for repeated play (19).

Speaking of nice gear, no slouch there Squawk https://www.gearslutz.com/board/mystudio/38686-squawk/
I think that's just a matter of opinion. Nothing against the more recent stuff, but I actually liked the record 19.
Old 31st March 2016
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I think that's just a matter of opinion. Nothing against the more recent stuff, but I actually liked the record 19.
It is opinion but 19 is sonically not in the same league. I like 19 for it's raw vibe. A bit more ear candy on 25 though.
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I get it, but listen to Adele on 19 then compare that to 25. Same voice, basic mixing and sound quality. The gear can't perform I agree, but it can enhance things creating a stronger emotional connection for a listener. There is a huge listening appeal difference between those two albums. Something which you can listen to over and over (25) versus one which sounds like a good singer but not nearly as compelling for repeated play (19).

Speaking of nice gear, no slouch there Squawk https://www.gearslutz.com/board/mystudio/38686-squawk/
Ha, thank you. I totally understand what you are saying, and I am obviously fond of nice tools like you are. That's what I mean though. If I had Adele here, I could sell half the stuff in my studio, wouldn't need it
Old 31st March 2016
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Ha, thank you. I totally understand what you are saying, and I am obviously fond of nice tools like you are. That's what I mean though. If I had Adele here, I could sell half the stuff in my studio, wouldn't need it
Old 31st March 2016
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u47 / 1073 and u87 / 1073 seems to always be the starting point of my favorite sounding records
Old 31st March 2016
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...But what do I know? She sells zillions of records and I don't.
Do not be too hard on yourself. You do not have a film studio and world famous recording studio riding on your back. Gives people a little incentive to promote and buy the music

Oh, and I forgot a certain film franchise which has been running since the 50s/60s

Peace.

(c) 2016 Claud
Old 31st March 2016
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...Of course the engineering and mixing on Adele's records are top notch, no question. I guess my only point is that the source will still trump expensive gear...
<SNIP - see forum rules>

I know that the same care and processing did not go into the sound of my voice after a day in a world class studio, as did for Adele. How could it? I was paying for it, unlike the young lady. Why, because, yes, she has more skill than me, and training, but like Amy Winehouse I suspect, she had the CEO of a major record company routing for her, unlike me, who had just myself and partner

And Amy flopped first time round (well considering the backing she had)! Did Adele? Do we know. Hello is not really a song, it is a production. Or did no one else notice?

Peace.

(c) 2016 Claud

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Old 31st March 2016
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Hello is not really a song, it is a production. Or did no one else notice?
Actually, I thought that Hello was sung by Hillary Clinton.
Like some sort of illuminati mind-control production
Old 31st March 2016
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lionel richie should be suing her, I think it sounds remarkably similar to his pop masterpiece
Old 31st March 2016
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lionel richie should be suing her, I think it sounds remarkably similar to his pop masterpiece


That video still cracks me up
Old 31st March 2016
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I really dont like how her vocal sounds.
Old 31st March 2016
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u47 / 1073 and u87 / 1073 seems to always be the starting point of my favorite sounding records
Same here.
Old 31st March 2016
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lionel richie should be suing her, I think it sounds remarkably similar to his pop masterpiece
Well, it's the same chords as Joan Osborne's "One Of Us". Which is not really unethical or anything like that... just a four chord sequence.

But by casting it as a piano based piece, and with the different melody/no pre chorus, etc... it winds up having a much different end result. But, I do think that's why it has an air of familiarity about it.
Old 31st March 2016
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Do not be too hard on yourself. You do not have a film studio and world famous recording studio riding on your back. Gives people a little incentive to promote and buy the music

Oh, and I forgot a certain film franchise which has been running since the 50s/60s

Peace.

(c) 2016 Claud
I just copied your post! neener neener

sorry, couldn't help myself
Old 31st March 2016
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...Put Tiny Tim in front of that same chain, and no one would care what gear was used Put Adele in front of any chain, and people will naturally want to dissect it and try and recreate that magic...
We will never know if you are right, because no one has put Tiny Tim in a similar production budget since the early nineties Or maybe the 8os post punk?

Sadly, accountants and suits rule, rather than musicians these days. As musicians could recognise talent, even if it did not attend a conservatoire

Peace.

(c) 2016 Claud
Old 1st April 2016
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From the co-songwriter article and Tom Elmhirst mixing article.

Tracking: U47>1073>LA2A>Protools

Mixing: Protools>Neve VR72 channel>insert Neve 1066>Urie Bluestripe 1176>Fairchild 660>insert return>Protools
Reverb prints from Capital Studios Chambers
AMS delay, Eventide preset “Canyon,” a plate, a spring.
ITB: Notching EQ, De-essing, automation

Looks like I'm going to need to save some more money.
You miss CL1B, here is quote from Tom Elmhirst

''The chain in LA was the Neve 1066 (Mic pre/3-band EQ) to the Bluestripe UREI 1176 compressor into a Fairchild 660 limiter. I’m taking the multitrack return from Pro Tools to the line amp on the Neve 1066, then straight into the 1176 and 660 and back up the insert return.

The UREI is hitting and releasing quicker, while the Fairchild is doing a much slower attack and release. Here at Electric Lady I use a Neve 1081 into a Blackface 1176 and then into a Tube-Tech CL 1B compressor.''
Old 1st April 2016
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From the co-songwriter article and Tom Elmhirst mixing article.

Tracking: U47>1073>LA2A>Protools

Mixing: Protools>Neve VR72 channel>insert Neve 1066>Urie Bluestripe 1176>Fairchild 660>insert return>Protools
Reverb prints from Capital Studios Chambers
AMS delay, Eventide preset “Canyon,” a plate, a spring.
ITB: Notching EQ, De-essing, automation
you forgot the end of the chain: convert to mp3> apple earbuds or laptop speakers
Old 1st April 2016
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I don't think anyone is debating that Adele is fantastic. .
I am - I think she creates uninspired drivel for the masses . Give me the Velvet underground howling into a crappy mic any day.
Old 1st April 2016
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You miss CL1B, here is quote from Tom Elmhirst

Here at Electric Lady I use a Neve 1081 into a Blackface 1176 and then into a Tube-Tech CL 1B compressor.''
From the article I got the impression he mixed "Hello" in LA early in the process which was the Fairchild. The rest later in NY where yes, the CL 1B was used.
Old 1st April 2016
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Looks like I'm going to need to save some more money.
Is the vocal sound better than her earlier stuff? Man alive, considering the budget, that was one of the worst vocal sounds I've heard. They even tuned her! Stay away!
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