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Mic or Pre Upgrade for Guitars?
Old 4th February 2007
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Mic or Pre Upgrade for Guitars?

Listen I know this has been talked about, I recall reading a dozen "Mic or Pre?" posts so please forgive the redundancy, but I did do a search am not coming up with much.

I'm currently using the UA SOLO 110 (sold state) pre and a AT 4050. When I got the 110 it made my acoustic guitar sound like I had put new strings on it. This is one clear, fast pre, and it is good for a lot of things.

The big "BUT" is....I'm also recording a lot of loud guitars for rock and pop stuff, and the AT and UA combination is just coming out way too bright. It's not obnoxious, like using a Mackie or something, but it's got no real body or "heft" to the tone. So I'm wondering whether moving on to something like an API or a Germanium would be wise, or adding another, fatter sounding mic might be the key.

Also, I do have an SM57 but it sounds like a transitor radio compared to the AT when on the amp. It is either broken, or I just don't have a pre the 57 likes. I have given it to my 4 year old to play with at this point.

I also noticed my combination was way too thin sounding when 3 background vocalists came in to record an R&B type thing the other day...

Thanks for any advice. I am really looking for the best tools to record guitar.

Tom
Old 4th February 2007
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As far as mics go here are a few to help you out.

If your sound is coming off as bright you might want to try the sennheiser MD421, Sennheiser MD441, Electro-Voice RE-20 for guitars. The MD421 is a great choice. It is excellent for guitars, kick drum, percussion (congas,), Voice OVer/Boradcast, etc. It would be a great addition to expand your pallete of sonic colors. The RE-20 can also be used for the same instruments.

As far as pres you can try the API or the Chandler you mentioned. It's your choice.
Old 4th February 2007
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I also just read an interview with Jerry Finn where he mentions using two mics, a condenser and a ribbon, on each amp. Maybe getting a ribbon like the 121 to add to the AT might be an option too...

Tom
Old 4th February 2007
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If you can, check out the Chandler Germanium!
Old 5th February 2007
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Originally Posted by oceantracks View Post
I also just read an interview with Jerry Finn where he mentions using two mics, a condenser and a ribbon, on each amp. Maybe getting a ribbon like the 121 to add to the AT might be an option too...

Tom
Yeah the royer is awesome. Beyerdynamic also has an excellent ribbon mic but i hear there is something special about the royer R121. I guess it just depends on the sound you want.
Old 5th February 2007
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As far as condensers. I've had success with the U47FETi on guitar amps. I heard paul jackson jr uses a U47FETi, a Royer R121, and or a SM57. The U-67 also sounds great on guitar amps.
Old 5th February 2007
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Still saving for the Royer.

Typical setting for us on guitar cabs these days involves two mics (dynamic and condenser)—usually a 57 & Gefell UMT70S—blended to taste. Usually both mics relatively close to the grill, positioned in whatever fashion avoids phase issues. Sometimes we put the Gefell in Figure 8 or Omni and grab some room.

Pres are usually a Great River or API 512c.

Hope that helps.
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Dang, you US recording types with all your complicated guitar techniques. What's wrong with having a bit of raucous SM57 guitar tone and nothing else?! heh
Old 5th February 2007
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i have germaniums and the tg2 pre..both will give you body and heft but i prefer the tg2 for guitars. then if you want to take body and heft to a whole new level you grab a couple tone control's..then life is good
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