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Old 16th February 2007
  #211
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I respect you guys....

Just so you know (and no smoke blowing, truly), there's a lot of you guys (Tony, Walt, PickSail, Thrill, Greg, among many...) whom I respect greatly. I just want you to know that!

Without this being a "Hallmark" moment, I've learned and grown to repsect your insights, thoughts, time given and consideration, I want you to know that.

I value that.

In return, I try to provide meanigful and founded opinions, not just agenda baised posts... that I hope comes across as true respect. Substance.

While many of these threads may come across as bickering, I do believe there is real value here. I learn. I try to contribute.

I hope you see my sincere resepect.

-andrews

DIRTY HALO www.dirtyhalo.com
Old 16th February 2007
  #212
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Good God what a post........ I say track on a Neve, edit in Pro tools, mix on an SSL, Master with Bob and be done with it all ready.
Old 16th February 2007
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Originally Posted by Dirty Halo View Post
Just so you know (and no smoke blowing, truly), there's a lot of you guys (Tony, Walt, PickSail, Thrill, Greg, among many...) whom I respect greatly. I just want you to know that!

Without this being a "Hallmark" moment, I've learned and grown to repsect your insights, thoughts, time given and consideration, I want you to know that.

I value that.

In return, I try to provide meanigful and founded opinions, not just agenda baised posts... that I hope comes across as true respect. Substance.

While many of these threads may come across as bickering, I do believe there is real value here. I learn. I try to contribute.

I hope you see my sincere resepect.

-andrews

DIRTY HALO www.dirtyhalo.com
It's all good. The feeling is mutual.

I'm not offended that easily. I'm married-I'm used to the ridicule.

So when are all us LA cats getting together to 'hug it out'?

There's a lot of love in this room. heh heh heh
Old 16th February 2007
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I know Randy Staub does not mix in the box, I never new someone else was mixing Nickelback?

Reguardless the latest Nickelback CD sound Pro Toolish as hell. Ive nevere really dug the studdio sound but the latest CD takes the suck prize, not the songs , just the sound....Yikes
Old 16th February 2007
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And ladies and gentlemen, just when you though the fun was over.

It looks like Barbaro is getting up again!! Yes, yes!!!

And he's off!!!

A stunning spectacle to be considered nothing short of a miracle!!!!
Old 16th February 2007
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Originally Posted by Led View Post
The answer is no. Nobody is going to beat out AW, CLA, TLA in the box, out of the box, standing on a box or strokin a box. Those guys don't get beat, they retire. And go sailing, or horseriding on their million acres.....
Well said
Old 16th February 2007
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It's all good. The feeling is mutual.

I'm not offended that easily. I'm married-I'm used to the ridicule.

The best quote!!!
Old 17th February 2007
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i'm moving my setup out of my separate facility and back into my home, which i now share with a beautiful woman. so i'm stripping things down, figuring out what is the absolute minimum i can work with and be happy.

the console is (ulp) not coming home. then again, neither are the uad or poco. i will still have the nicerizer & the 2500, but no analog eq's or faders. i'm thinking i finally got the outboard i need to get the tones the way i want from the outset, and i finally got monitors that let me build most of the mix with faders and pan knobs alone.

i have no idea if my mixes will suffer or improve. i'm willing to sacrifice in exchange for being able to pick up a guitar and record it without walking a mile in the snow. uphill.

wish me luck .


gregoire
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Old 17th February 2007
  #219
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I`ve been using Steinberg Nuendo untill now, and I just bougt a Protools Digi002R
System because I was tierd of drum editing in Nuendo.Now with Protools 7.3 and the Music Production pack i have beat detective and I love it.
I remember someone saying the summing i nuendo was much better than PT because of it`s 34 bit floating point calculation.
I find this not to be true, I feel my mixes done in Pt sounds better than my old ones done in Nuendo. What I realy think is impotaint is how you record the soundsurce, mic,pre, room etc.. It also helps having some cool outboard units to help with the magic. I have TL Audio VP-1 mic pre/comp running sounds thru this unit makes a huge difference, also my Lexicon M200 reverb helps alot.
The realy cool thing about mixing in the box is the total and fast recall of all mix settings, I often find my self going back to work on mixes days even weeks after I did the first mix, being able to recall all setting in seconds is wery nice. Most of the time I find I`d like to just do small adjustments not start all over, or spending hours recalling settings. By the time you`re done recalling settings you might not remember what you were planning to do in the first place. lol
A combo of in the box and nice vintage gear is what makes me happy.
Old 17th February 2007
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wish me luck .
Good luck, bro, and congrats! Keep an EQ or two, tho!!
Old 17th February 2007
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Originally Posted by zaza View Post
Reguardless the latest Nickelback CD sound Pro Toolish as hell. Ive nevere really dug the studdio sound but the latest CD takes the suck prize, not the songs , just the sound....Yikes
I'm not going to take sides because I am caught in the middle myself between working in the two different ways. But i will say that I think Mike's PT mixes blow away Randy's SSL mixes. I was quite disappointed with Randy's mixes as I don't think they held up to his previous ones.

I personally think my console work is better than my ITB work, but I don't think it's because of ITB mixing, I think it's because of me. Someday I will get there, but until then, I just breathe nice and deep whern I patch in an API EQ or something instead of a plugin.
Old 17th February 2007
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Originally Posted by jonnyclueless View Post
I personally think my console work is better than my ITB work, but I don't think it's because of ITB mixing, I think it's because of me. Someday I will get there, but until then...

That's the attitude that I adore!!!

Wish more were like you.
Old 17th February 2007
  #223
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man, if you guys took one tenth the time to get better at mixng as the time you spend talking about it
you might be able to hold a candle to Shipley or Randy Staub
you know what ...
Mike and every other guy that works as much as they do
work as much as they do because they are good
plain and simple
it is really easy to **** up and ruin your reputation
it is a lot harder to continuosly pump out good quality work
every day

take a look in the mirror
if you think you can compete on that level
i suggest you quit your bickering and get to work
and really hone your ****
WHY?
because the competition is fierce

ok, bye for now and have a great day ...unless you have other plans

cheers
Ross Hogarth
Old 18th February 2007
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Originally Posted by BoogieMotel View Post
man, if you guys took one tenth the time to get better at mixng as the time you spend talking about it
you might be able to hold a candle to Shipley or Randy Staub
you know what ...
Mike and every other guy that works as much as they do
work as much as they do because they are good
plain and simple
it is really easy to **** up and ruin your reputation
it is a lot harder to continuosly pump out good quality work
every day

take a look in the mirror
if you think you can compete on that level
i suggest you quit your bickering and get to work
and really hone your ****
WHY?
because the competition is fierce

ok, bye for now and have a great day ...unless you have other plans

cheers
Ross Hogarth

thumbsup
Old 18th February 2007
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Nice post Ross. Thank you for that.
Old 18th February 2007
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Originally Posted by BoogieMotel View Post
man, if you guys took one tenth the time to get better at mixng as the time you spend talking about it
you might be able to hold a candle to Shipley or Randy Staub
you know what ...
Mike and every other guy that works as much as they do
work as much as they do because they are good
plain and simple
it is really easy to **** up and ruin your reputation
it is a lot harder to continuosly pump out good quality work
every day

take a look in the mirror
if you think you can compete on that level
i suggest you quit your bickering and get to work
and really hone your ****
WHY?
because the competition is fierce

ok, bye for now and have a great day ...unless you have other plans

cheers
Ross Hogarth
hey I could not agree with you more, these posts are about the fans of the great analog era, not wanting it to leave completely for the sake of better sounding records.... Eveyone on this post is very passionate about this whole music making process, Including myself. Digital sounds like digital and analog sounds like analog. We ALL know digital recordings are much less involving let alone enjoyable. But lets face it,... production flexibility will generally outweigh sonic integrity. would you tell a guitar player to NOT use his 1962 les paul and just use a 2004 model.. Does anyone get this! Our recording TOOLS are a extension of our tone makers. There for a pultec or SSL acts in part of adding musical tone desired by concerning listeners.. There is no debate...digital colour is not as desirable BUT offers much more production flexibility.............ITB mixing will work, But 1 thing many are forgeting is the collective process of making a great recording. Like a studio manager, great assisntence, great engineer, great producer, great monitoring envioment, great equipment well maintained, do I need to go on .. the problem I hear with guys doing everything in there house is there is less artistic input from other creative people+ your brain is now focused on too many other factors thereby lessining your FOCUS on the ART!
Old 18th February 2007
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. the problem I hear with guys doing everything in there house is there is less artistic input from other creative people+ your brain is now focused on too many other factors thereby lessining your FOCUS on the ART!
totqally agree! what makes a recod sound good..is not only a song, the artist, the recording, the mixing...is the interaction of many people where everybody give their talents, ideas and personality into the music..

by the way..is anybody there that can say that Mike Shipley sucks????? how than can be possible????
Old 18th February 2007
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I appreciate the sentiment Amiel, but to let this thread get on to whether other AE's think I suck or not is a whole different subject.!!!! I'm sure many do think so , thats totally possible!! and I have no problem with that at all.There are AE's that I'm not to keen on, I would never mention then in a public forum , 'cos It's my private opinion, It's more taking pot shots at my working methods without understanding them that gets me , thats all. I've been very lucky and mixed records that have sold over 140 million , I was lucky enough to have been around when sales where a lot better than the last few years , so my royalties have done me extraordinarily well off that many record sales... I could have retired years ago , but I do this because I love it , I couldn't live without going to the studio everyday....(or most days!!!)
I plain and simple love what I get to do every day , and love experimenting ,everyone is entitled to their opinion ... it just makes more sense if it's a well informed one , rather than people talkin out their ass.
It's kinda like everyone thinking SSL is the be all and end all of consoles , when I first came to this town... the very mention of SSL had every AE sighing and rolling their eyes because of how "crap" they were .. in England , we had been using them for years , in fact Mutt and I had the first E console , and the first of every new SSL console ever built after that cos we were happily their "guinea pigs" so to speak and helped develop many functions on the boards (The original hand built E's sounded amazing compared to the later boards ), so a lot of people have short memories about SSL because they really were passionately hated by so many AE's... funny how times change.
Shipshape
Old 18th February 2007
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And hence this is the biggest problem with this forum. As Jay Asher put it in another post, some of these guys are flys nipping at a Champion Stallion.
You have people who think because they have 1000s of post that they have some God given sonic authority. THEY DON'T.
Old 18th February 2007
  #230
Mike! What is really the most important thing is how much you contributed to a legacy of amazing music , giving to the rest of the word the joy to live with that great records where you put that special touch of magic!!!!

Mike I am sure there are so many that love what you do! and we wish we just could do a bit of what you already can do !! will
Old 18th February 2007
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As the esteemed Mr. Shipley has demonstrated (and reinforced with his post in this thread), the question of whether great rock mixes can be done without a large format analog console has been answered, and the answer is yes. End of story IMO.

Totally agree!! how somebody can say to Mike Shipley , the most legendary Rock Mixer that holds the bset sounding Rock records .. that to Mix Rock ITB is not possible if he is doing it now!!

If Mike is doing means is totally possible...as the same way maybe is not possible for others to be able to mix any kind of music even ITB , on an SSL, Neve o Mackie!!..I think is all about talent and experience.
Of course all preferences are respected.....but Mike Shpley just demonstrated is possible to Mix Rock ITB!
Old 18th February 2007
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Mike Shipley rules!!!!

Most here are morons that owns a MXL mic and a sounblaster and talk like are the ultimate audio experts!! fuuck

Stop the bull and let the true professionals talk and teach us without expressing your bull and frustrations...leave your bull**** and aggresion to your Football game !
Old 19th February 2007
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Ditto that!
Old 22nd February 2007
  #234
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Opinions / Observations

Mike

The master at his trade show!!
I have been following your old and new stuff and have to say you are working miracles!
Keep up the great work....

Your resume speaks for itself.

As for senor Witt please take the fairchilds off the mix buss and let things breathe again.

I only wish I could hear what was held back.....

"A wise man knows everything a shrewd one everybody".

Respectfully

The Opinionator
Old 22nd February 2007
  #235
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First things first, Mike rocks, second... to each their own.

Mike pointed out in a poingnant post regarding Mutt that he didn't listen much to other engineers and preferred to hold onto his own system...

Isn't THAT the lesson here?

I, for one, would like to take some time exploring a hybrid of an SSL and ITB, plugs and outboard... been a big fan of Mike and Mutt's work as of late and would like to mix and match ideas.

Personally, I like to mix and match, explore and make music a chemistry set until I get that sound in my head, by any means necessary. (And I've sold almost as many albums as Mike and Mutt, give or take a few million)

I digress.

Funnier still, I go away to actually work and I come back to see this thing is STILL going!

-a

DIRTY HALO www.dirtyhalo.com

P.S. I got a few notes that the DIRTY HALO site is down (guess there's always iTunes and stores ), we are making a new one to reflect the upcoming album... uh, now all we need is that albumheh
Old 25th May 2007
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Mr. Wittman , If you are judging my recent work off one Nickelback song( first mixed on an SSL then remixed on the Icon "cos it sounded and felt better,) I'm sure you have no idea of my current resume , or the records I have mixed ITB as oposed to the ones I have mixed analog in the last couple of years . I am currently mixing a high profile , very picky rock band that had a "shootout" with several of the highest profile "rock" mixers around who all mix on SSL . For some reason I got the gig , on the Icon.
Must have been a fluke, cos I keep forgeting all the experts here who say rock cant be mixed ITB.
And to compare what Mutt has done since Back in Black is plain stupid .... Yes that was an amazing record for a lot of reasons but you werent there so you dont really know too much about that record and the tricks used to get the sound. His productions are vastly different these days....( I mean in the last 30 years since that record was made.) So comparing that record to his later work and production style is also pretty silly IMHO. , I dont care for your opinion , tho I do care about my clients opinion a great deal , and they are all quite happy.
Shipshape
This has to be the lamest thread with so many closed minded people , so many "experts" with no willingness to figure how to make something new, work to their advantage.
Live and let live.
Well now we know where and how you stand.
Old 26th May 2007
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Mike Shipley rules!!!!

Most here are morons that owns a MXL mic and a sounblaster and talk like are the ultimate audio experts!! fuuck

Stop the bull and let the true professionals talk and teach us without expressing your bull and frustrations...leave your bull**** and aggresion to your Football game !
I agreeses most are morons that's duzent know nuthins. Thae shood shut up and lissen so mabee thae can get a brane!!!


JK
Old 26th May 2007
  #238
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wow..this thread is INTENSE!

*eats popcorn and chants "SHIPLEY, SHIPLEY, SHIPLEY"*
Old 26th May 2007
  #239
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Yeah really taking on a Wayne's Worldish "We are not worthy vibe."

TH
Old 26th May 2007
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Like who for example?

That's really the question on the table?

Who out there is rockin out like AW or the Alges ITB style?
I know he does not specialise in rock par say but Phil Tan has won a few grammys for his 'ITB' work, I believe!!

His work sounds fantastic to me, and millions of others!!....
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