God bless your youth and that you’re already developed to appreciate Kii. I usually hit 3 mixes a day, so I generally advise to mix as much as your time allows... and at your age, I think you’re well ahead of your peers already with Kiis on your side.

It’s going to work out.. you’ll get out in terms of result to how much effort you put in with this field.

Thank you man, sometimes I lack the strength to keep on moving on because I struggle thinking of ways to get myself out as a mixing service. Plus I don't have a place setup per se, so it just becomes this mental block of not wanting to show up to the world until things are ready to be showed.

Thanks for your support, sincerely.

God bless

Hey,

can we keep the audiophile discussion off this thread pls?

This is not really a high end discussion - someone has clarified with the makers of the speakers that things don't work as you feel they do, there's nothing more to be said really.

And we've been through the "but I just hear it!" discussion a million times. Let's not derail this thread further.

Thanks.

This audiophile discussion is pretty much over for a few days now. I’m not going to carry it further.

Kiis were marketed as audiophile speakers first, this is a fact and why the Audiophile subject came up.

Studio use is the secondary market for the Kii Three system.

I don't understand why you have to tell us what to talk about when our posts are full of information that could be useful to a lot of people.

And the conversation ended many days ago. We actually tried to talk to each other instead of just insulting each other like many other people did to DDL.

But whatever...

(oh I see you are a moderator, with great banning power, comes great banning responsibility)

Yes as a mod, part of my job is keeping threads on topic! The discussion is fine just on its own thread.

But yes I may have been slightly late to the party in this instance.

OK.... pursuant to my last posting a few weeks back, I have figured out the problem I was having with my Trinnov analyzing and making adjustments with my Kii 3 BXT system.

It turns out that my Trinnov analysis mic was broken. I've since replaced that mic and have easily and properly used the Trinnov with the BXT's. It was just an odd occurrence that the mic failed at the same time I was in the process of installing the BXT's.

So the BXT's are now totally integrated into my daily working procedures and I'm a happy camper. It's a joy to have these. Of course, it was a joy to have the Kii 3's by themselves also.

I've been hearing (thru various back channels) from several other Kii owners and those considering them. Seems like there is a bit of a Kii upswell occurring.

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BTW, here was my solution to getting the BXT's up to a proper ear height.

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Nice to hear you got it fixed. Enjoy!

Finally pulled the trigger. Having a bit better understanding about things in general (esp. Kii settings, my room, etc), the second time to set them up yielded even better results.

Feels great to not be thinking about my monitoring situation any more.

Cheers to the contributors in the thread as I've generally found the overall, more commonly held opinions to be right on the money.

After working with Audiolense Room Correction software, I now have in room flat response 10-20000hz (yes, from 10 hz) and perfect timing of the drivers. Extremely clear and revealing.

I'm not familiar with this software. Can you tell us a little about it and how you used it?

Thanks

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It's digital room correction software. There are a few versions. The highest end one does frequency, impulse correction, etc. juicehifi.com.
The Kii in my room go down to 10 hz, but there are room nodes.With the Kii, I can get perfectly flat response.

I wouldn’t go for a flat ‘in-room’ response for just casual listening, the 10dB 20Hz-20kHz is usually preferred.
Keith

That sounds dull to me. I have curve with a -3db slope from 4000 hz to 20Khz which is what I usually listen to.

Are you sure you don’t mean 40Hz and not 4kHz?

In the domestic audio world they speak nonsense numbers like -10 dB. They don’t realize their deafness but it makes good (stupid) marketing.

Then again, dude who calibrated to flat at 10hz is a massive tool. If that was accomplished, no one could hear in the 10Hz range usefully.

This is a classic case of telling the posers from those who work in audio (and know it.) The slimy salesman show their skin once again.

No, I mean 4Khz. What's wrong with that? That sounds better to me than a slope starting at 20hz. It's my hearing, not yours.

What YOUR remark actually is: a classic case of people who exist on forums just so they can ignorantly put others down. No one claimed they could hear the 10hz. It was just a remark showing what can be accomplished/exist.Why jump to conclusions ans rush to insult a person you don't know? I suggest you improve your reading comprehension skills so you can actually understand what's written on the page.

When you want to find a massive tool, look in the mirror.

Oh my

If you can’t hear below 4kHz then you are deaf to the fundamentals of most frequencies of human speech — not to mention many instruments.

Might want to take your deafness to an Audiologist.

I’m a professional in a field that works and QC to 20 Hz. We have a nose for BS. But do go on with your 4KHz...

There are different ideas about what a target curve should be. For, instance, other than the Harman curve, there's the ITU industry standard frequency response target. It is flat to 2 kHz and then a straight line roll off to -2.5 dB at 20 kHz.

But none of that matters. Each person in his/her own room should target a curve that sounds right to them. What works for one setup and person won't work for another.

Again, your reading comprehension is limited. Where did I say that I can't hear below 4000hz? I have been to an audiologist and have slightly impaired hearing between 2000-4000hz. So I don't want a rolloff in those frequencies. Any problems with hearing can be corrected thru DSP and EQ - and have been - so it's irrelevant.

If you are a "professional", I feel sorry for any human clients you might have. You obviously don't know how to assimilate material presented to you, and jump to baseless conclusions due to your assumptions that have no connection to reality.

The only BS here is from you. You haven't written one relevant or fact based comment to back up your assertions. Your assumptions, fantasies and insults don't fall into the area of "fact based".

A lot of the know it alls on this site probably have impaired hearing and don't even know it. If you are over 25 you are highly likely to have impaired high end hearing. And even young people can have additional issues due to too much time exposed to loud environments. Do you know that you don't have impaired hearing?

Kii owners - how many of you have optimised your sound via the new internal filters?

I disabled the Trinnov and measured them stock:



Note: ignore the crazy top end - it's flat. REW has issues measuring Kii's in L+R stereo. There was no 12dB dip during playback

Using both Tone Control and the 8 bands (manually worked better than REW EQ correction):



+/-2.5dB at the low end, then +/-1dB from 800 upwards. Again, ignore the rolloff at 9K. They measure flat via L or R.

I might sell my Trinnov now.

I have. Got the whole frequency spectrum around +/-1db using the internal filters, except a room mode at 27hz that the eq couldn't fix 100%.

That's incredible. I need to sort that low end out somehow.

I wish it had double the filters.

Yep, totally awesome.

I have the BXT's as well. which helps a lot with low end accuracy.

Ah that changes things. When all this CV19 stuff is over, any chance of popping over for a quick listen (I'm Norwich based)?

That must sound incredible.

Of course, pop over anytime!

BXT's are next level...

Thanks man! Let's see how the pandemic plays out over the next few weeks.

Could end up being a very expensive trip

I have very good results correcting with the internal filters. Pretty transparent sounding. Stopped using Sonarworks as soon as the EQ came out. Great for fixing modes, my strong 29Hz mode which is hard to treat even with AVAA active traps I could dial down helping things even further. Reducing the decay is important too though, so still glad I have the AVAAs.

I have gone down on the number of EQ points I use though. It’s not a necessity to correct everything, not every 1dB is a problem in real life.

Also the max range of boost changed after the first, it was max 3dB boost at first? Although it’s generally not a good thing boosting much more than that if 4dB is what’s needed it was a bit annoying. Boosting low frequencies will obviously reduce the headroom of the system.

Haha definitely could be

I"m moving to a new room in a few weeks. So maybe pop over after that, once I'm setup properly.

I'll DM you.
J

Thanks - look forward to it!

Good luck with the new room :¬)

I have a gigantic room node at 38hz. Reduced it with the internal PEQ, and then used external DRC software to eliminate it. That seemed to give better results than using just one or the other. With the DRC, I have perfectly flat response if I want it.