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Neve 33609 versions and clones
Old 26th November 2015
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Neve 33609 versions and clones

I was looking at purchasing a bus comp and narrowing down options made me realize there are many versions of the 33609, console and clones.
Would love some input here, especially if GT is around
Thanks heaps and Happy thanks giving
Old 26th November 2015
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I was looking at purchasing a bus comp and narrowing down options made me realize there are many versions of the 33609, console and clones.
Would love some input here, especially if GT is around
Thanks heaps and Happy thanks giving
Metal knob. Nothing less will do.
Old 26th November 2015
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What about the 33609 C ?
A good fat sound ?
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Old 27th November 2015
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Metal knob. Nothing less will do.

Mines the console version of the 33609, this is from Dutch Broadcast. It has the B475 motherboards ST Ives/Marinair Transformers, so electronically the same as the Metal knob, ..but with different knobs to match the console I guess..

So it's not just Metal knob, and that alone.
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Old 27th November 2015
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Thanks Toolz! Is that the 83065 version? What do you do for psu?
Also doesn't BAE make one?
Old 27th November 2015
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Mines the console version of the 33609, this is from Dutch Broadcast. It has the B475 motherboards ST Ives/Marinair Transformers, so electronically the same as the Metal knob, ..but with different knobs to match the console I guess..

So it's not just Metal knob, and that alone.
So it's essentially the same Rev as a metal knob without metal knobs...? 8-)

(I'm being slightly facetious but the key is you want the mojo it is that original version that you need)
Old 27th November 2015
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Thanks Toolz! Is that the 83065 version? What do you do for psu?
Also doesn't BAE make one?
This is the 83065 version I guess, but it's been cut out of the centre section of a Broadcast Neve, so this had extra Aux controls on the same front panel. Behind the frame is self contained 19" with the remote power lead and XLRs.

Pretty much everyone comments on how good it sounds.

It came with an external supply.

Not sure what BAE makes in the way of 33609.
Old 27th November 2015
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So it's essentially the same Rev as a metal knob without metal knobs...? 8-)

(I'm being slightly facetious but the key is you want the mojo it that original version that you need)

The Key is the B475 motherboards, Neve repackaged the same compressor in a few different ways.
Old 27th November 2015
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SHEP 32264a Clones, (with clone B475 cards)

Shep Neve 32264a Compressor Limiter
Old 27th November 2015
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Anyone know much about the 83605? Are they the same as 33609?
Old 27th November 2015
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Hi

After years of dropping hints it seems like someone at AMS-NEVE took my advice and dumped those god awful square buttons from the front of the 33609 (along with all the logic chips and relays they needed) and have gone back to toggle switches.

I have not seen inside so don't know if they went back to the 31267 and 10468 transformers of the original and also dropped the daft 600 ohm input impedance of the /JD.

So like someone mentioned earlier in the thread, any 33609 with the original B475 motherboard with original transformers (more important than the discrete transistor output stage imho) would be my suggestion also. These were found in several versions, for 51 and 81 series consoles, and the twin regulator pcb can be dumped in those versions and the compressor run on single rail 24v like it was always intended to be.



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I was looking at purchasing a bus comp and narrowing down options made me realize there are many versions of the 33609, console and clones.
Would love some input here, especially if GT is around
Thanks heaps and Happy thanks giving
Old 27th November 2015
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So like someone mentioned earlier in the thread, any 33609 with the original B475 motherboard with original transformers (more important than the discrete transistor output stage imho) would be my suggestion also. These were found in several versions, for 51 and 81 series consoles, and the twin regulator pcb can be dumped in those versions and the compressor run on single rail 24v like it was always intended to be.
Thanks heaps, Geoff!
Curious to know if you are aware of the 83065 versions? I think they were in the 5106/5116 series? Are they the same as 33609 and if so, were there variations of the 83605s?
Thx again
Old 27th November 2015
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Hi

After 30 years I barely remember because all those 80000 numbers are harder to recall than 1073 or 33609.

But if it has the original 475 pcb and transformers it will sound like the metal knob version that wipes the floor with the jd
Old 27th November 2015
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Hi

After 30 years I barely remember because all those 80000 numbers are harder to recall than 1073 or 33609.

But if it has the original 475 pcb and transformers it will sound like the metal knob version that wipes the floor with the jd
Thanks GT!
Appreciate your time and thoughts. In your opinion, do you feel any other new brands have got closer to the original? (If you have had a chance to listen to some that is, or even based on specs)
Old 27th November 2015
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Can anyone identify the components on this piece on the first two pics? Especially the PCB board....
The first two are from one piece and the 3rd pic is another example of 33609.
Thanks!
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Old 27th November 2015
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Can anyone identify the components on this piece on the first two pics? Especially the PCB board....
The first two are from one piece and the 3rd pic is another example of 33609.
Thanks!
All these examples have the 475 PCB... the correct transformers, this will have the mojo ;-)

Components are, Input and Interstage transformers, the Op-amp Package with the black heatsink (may, or may not be discrete as Geoff pointed out) output transformer.

Note the holes for the rear connector, if used in the 3/2264
Old 27th November 2015
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any comments on the 33609 C version ?
Got transformers inside ?
Regards
Sergio
Old 27th November 2015
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any comments on the 33609 C version ?
Got transformers inside ?
Regards
Sergio
You can see from the pics, by Version C things have changed. The transformers are now by Belclare with the Mu-metal silver cans.. This version is considered not to have the same mojo.

Outside, all remains the same, apart from the rocker power switch and knobs.
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Old 27th November 2015
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any comments on the 33609 C version ?
Got transformers inside ?
Regards
Sergio
Hi

Any 33609 has transformers inside but from /C onwards they aren't the original type... see the post above this one....


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Old 27th November 2015
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Thanks GT!
Appreciate your time and thoughts. In your opinion, do you feel any other new brands have got closer to the original? (If you have had a chance to listen to some that is, or even based on specs)
Hi

I can't comment on the infinite number of clones knocking off the Neve compressor designs. Never listened to any, never wanted to...

Old 27th November 2015
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I am very pleased with my 33609jd, my mate Cenzo has an original metal knob version as well as a JD, his metal knob is better on bright strikes like cymbal overheads. I think my JD is better for my mix buss use, if I don't make it pump it means my mix is getting better.
Soon teaches you to keep within reason on the low bass end.:-)
Either or there still a great sound in the 2 bus. I don't think I will ever work without one again if possible.
Old 28th November 2015
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How about the new 33609/n? Anyone know anything about this new version?
Old 28th November 2015
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How about the new 33609/n? Anyone know anything about this new version?

If you think, the Neve 1073n is a budget surface mount 1073, my friend has one of these, and it has a Chinese feeling of quality. Different to Neve's AMS hardwired reissues, and the vintage EMI/Neve's here.

I'd bet the 33609n is the same concept. The documentation states the:

"Made using hand-wired Neve transformers in Burnley, England"

As the Carnhill factory is in St Ives (about 386 miles away) I'm assuming they cut corners here also.
Old 28th November 2015
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A while back I saw a Neve on ebay that had a pair if 33612 compressors in the center section. The guy wanted a crazy amount of money for the console, like 25k or something like that for a 5114. Are 33612s like a 33609?
Same as the first generation 33609 but mono.
Old 30th November 2015
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Who is using 33609 on Mix Buss?

1. Would love to know who is using 33609 (any revision) on the mix buss and how it's working out for you.
2. Any big names who still use 33609 on mix buss?
3. Also, do you use any other Comps or Limiters on the same chain that the 33609 is on during mixing? If so, what would you recommend for variations of pop?
4. Are you mixing ITB or on a console or summing box?
5. What do you think of the sound of the 33609 compared to what's out there today including other vintage bus comps?
Thanks in advance!!!!
Old 30th November 2015
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Hi,
1. I sometimes use it (Metal knob), but I change op amp original 640 to discrete 440.
2. I don't know....
3. No I don't use other comp/limiter after 33609.
4. It depends...
5. I use 2254A much more than 33609 for bus.
l am looking for new mix bus comp, too...
Old 30th November 2015
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Hi,
1. I sometimes use it (Metal knob), but I change op amp original 640 to discrete 440.
2. I don't know....
3. No I don't use other comp/limiter after 33609.
4. It depends...
5. I use 2254A much more than 33609 for bus.
l am looking for new mix bus comp, too...
Thanks! Curious to know what the remaining chain you use is, especially eq.
Old 30th November 2015
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A while back I saw a Neve on ebay that had a pair if 33612 compressors in the center section. The guy wanted a crazy amount of money for the console, like 25k or something like that for a 5114. Are 33612s like a 33609?
Hi

A lot of folk don't realise that there were four compressors created at the time of the 33609... the 33609 was the stereo with internal PSU, but there were also 33610, 33611 and 33612 that were either stereo or mono with power supply or stereo or mono with external power supply.

As the two mono units were wasteful of rack space using the same 2U case with one channel, I designed the very rare 33615 in 1U with LED gain reduction indication.

Old 1st December 2015
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Nice one, Geoff! Here is also the 83065 that came with the 5106/16? Any recollection of these?
Thanks as always!!
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Old 1st December 2015
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GML8200 or Altec 9062a. I use tube or solid state mic pre after Altec. just add high and low a little. I insert EQ, but most of time I don't use it.
What kind of music are you working on?
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