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Old 22nd May 2016
  #121
I def will be taking a closer look at that sub. Sounds like exactly what im looking for.
Old 22nd May 2016
  #122
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Thanks for the clear and concise answers, Brad! I'm in Paris, so will probably have to wait a bit to try some, but the price looks good if they sound good and will pair well with my 20s. I guess I'd have to send them back to ATC in the UK if I wanted the tweeter upgrade and amp recalibration. I'll probably drop Ben at ATC an email about it.
I'd wait a few months and then try. Upgrade kits are not available yet.

If you can look for an ATC sub used. That's the best there is.

Brad
Old 23rd May 2016
  #123
I have owned my Atc20mkii for a few months now. At first im like "thats it"? i was expecting a larger imaging and i thought i would "see into the mix",.. but these are better than that. After a few mixes...."IF IT SOUNDS GOOD IN THE 20'S THAN IT WILL SOUND GOOD EVERYWHERE!!!" and whats better than that, thats all you want from your hard effort put in.

Every atc owner can vouch for that!!
Old 23rd May 2016
  #124
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Maybe it's not the right place..... How does the scm20, in particular the tweeter, compare to scm25? Anybody had the chance to make a comparison? Thanks
Old 23rd May 2016
  #125
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Maybe it's not the right place..... How does the scm20, in particular the tweeter, compare to scm25? Anybody had the chance to make a comparison? Thanks
hi jsilver, i made that comparisons the last weeks like crazy. bought the new 20s and still have my 25s. thought about maybe selling them (25) but i cant! too good these monitors are.
the difference (20/25) is not small - but there is still that ATC sound with both engines. the 20s where always a little different than all the others because no 3" mid - which is the "trademark" ATC sound. still, these 20s have great midrange going on - i'm fascinated how good the ATC people nailed that behavior! quality work i guess?
sometimes in the comparisons i even liked that great 6" better than the 3way 25 - from mids to lows everything's coming out of ONE speaker in great quality where you really can hear things like "is the vocalsound full enough, is the bass sitting in context, is kick and bass togehter but in the right different windows" ..and so on.
they are lightweight on bass. when you dont like it you need a sub. but subwoofers are quite easy to integrate with the quality of the 20 and the sealed design. for myself - im happy with a genelec 8" sub - i need just a little more bass tone to "round out" the system and make everything a little nicer sounding but the basic sound of the 20s is NOT changing- everything stays the same..but with a little more sub information. i think it sounds fantastic.
the new tweeter... sounds more open. without stress, just really good sounding. maybe a little more "modern" .. i dont know how to describe it..it gives you a hair more but also a better feeling. but it does not lend me in wrong direction while rec/mixing - its just there and really nice to listen to. it kicks me in the ass to make it sounding good up there. when a mix sucks it sounds horrible on ATCs ...i think thats true but specially with 20s (even more so than 25,50s etc).
i like my 25s from the first minute i worked with them. maybe just one not so perfect thing was the tweeter sounded a tiny little harsh to me and i had the feeling he had no really good time in competing with the 3" ...always a little stressed topend somehow.
the new 20mk2s are generally more open and clear sounding to me (from top to bottom) compared to 25s which have more power and flesh alltogether.
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Old 23rd May 2016
  #126
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After this great comparison you make me really whish the 25s had or could be updated to the new tweeter. It is a huge pity they cannot:(


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hi jsilver, i made that comparisons the last weeks like crazy. bought the new 20s and still have my 25s. thought about maybe selling them (25) but i cant! too good these monitors are.
the difference (20/25) is not small - but there is still that ATC sound with both engines. the 20s where always a little different than all the others because no 3" mid - which is the "trademark" ATC sound. still, these 20s have great midrange going on - i'm fascinated how good the ATC people nailed that behavior! quality work i guess?
sometimes in the comparisons i even liked that great 6" better than the 3way 25 - from mids to lows everything's coming out of ONE speaker in great quality where you really can hear things like "is the vocalsound full enough, is the bass sitting in context, is kick and bass togehter but in the right different windows" ..and so on.
they are lightweight on bass. when you dont like it you need a sub. but subwoofers are quite easy to integrate with the quality of the 20 and the sealed design. for myself - im happy with a genelec 8" sub - i need just a little more bass tone to "round out" the system and make everything a little nicer sounding but the basic sound of the 20s is NOT changing- everything stays the same..but with a little more sub information. i think it sounds fantastic.
the new tweeter... sounds more open. without stress, just really good sounding. maybe a little more "modern" .. i dont know how to describe it..it gives you a hair more but also a better feeling. but it does not lend me in wrong direction while rec/mixing - its just there and really nice to listen to. it kicks me in the ass to make it sounding good up there. when a mix sucks it sounds horrible on ATCs ...i think thats true but specially with 20s (even more so than 25,50s etc).
i like my 25s from the first minute i worked with them. maybe just one not so perfect thing was the tweeter sounded a tiny little harsh to me and i had the feeling he had no really good time in competing with the 3" ...always a little stressed topend somehow.
the new 20mk2s are generally more open and clear sounding to me (from top to bottom) compared to 25s which have more power and flesh alltogether.
Old 26th May 2016
  #127
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Brad,

Does the Sub 12 roll off in a way one doesn't have to use the built in HPF filters with the SCM20's? If you do use the built in filters does the bypass pedal also bypass the filters?
Old 26th May 2016
  #128
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Brad,

Does the Sub 12 roll off in a way one doesn't have to use the built in HPF filters with the SCM20's? If you do use the built in filters does the bypass pedal also bypass the filters?
To use the bypass pedal at the present time you have to send full range to the 20s, full range to the sub (the sub will filter out everything over 95Hz for you). This sounds good this way. You can also use the HP filters in the sub, which sends only 95Hz up to the 20s, but here the bypass pedal does not work to switch between full range and high passed. We hope to add this feature in upcoming models, mid 2017.
Old 26th May 2016
  #129
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To use the bypass pedal at the present time you have to send full range to the 20s, full range to the sub (the sub will filter out everything over 95Hz for you). This sounds good this way. You can also use the HP filters in the sub, which sends only 95Hz up to the 20s, but here the bypass pedal does not work to switch between full range and high passed. We hope to add this feature in upcoming models, mid 2017.
Thanks Brad, for some reason I glossed right over the specs on the HF rolloff.
Old 3rd November 2016
  #130
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I think so- the 20 mk2s sound more like the current production 50s I think mostly due to tweeter and SL. I always think ATC has done the impossible of building speakers that sound one way: you just get more low end and more level as you go "up" in size.

I think some of your comments about 25s are due to your 50s experience, which are better.

20s and sub are amazing.....

Brad
What style of music are you producing? I can afford the 20's but will struggle to afford the 45's...
I make all sorts of electronic music.. Are teh 20's ok for deep house/techno? not banging hardstyle techno.. more minimal Techno (see Stimming)
Old 3rd November 2016
  #131
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The only areas where I would not think of them as a "first try" would be a large room, in urban, hip hop or EDM.

Brad
Bugger, i was hoping they would be suitable for Deephouse/Techno... cant stretch to the 45's just yet /:
Old 3rd November 2016
  #132
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Bugger, i was hoping they would be suitable for Deephouse/Techno... cant stretch to the 45's just yet /:
I wonder if similar to the NS10's... having less low end may still make them valid for production purposes ?
Old 7th November 2016
  #133
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I have just done a 4 hour round trip to listen to the ATC's in an Auckland showroom.

They only had the Domestic 20's and 40's but the ATC specialist said the technology is the same.

I am an electronic music producer (Deep house/Dub). I auditioned the ATC's with CD's from these genres.

My impressions: They nailed the Mid range and highs... the 20's sounded the same as the 40's... and i understand its the same all the way up the range.
The detail was very impressive.
The 20's (being a 2 way) had a little bit of muddying between the lows and the mids (as they share a speaker).. the 40's were more defined (being a 3way)
However, much more imperssive than most 2 ways out there i beleive...

The bass extension was limited with the 20's... the 40's were more impressive (basically aSCM 25 in a floor standing wooden cabinet).

However.. I am working in an untreated room at the moment. I need critical nearfield monitoring at lower levels, so i dont really want big bass extension bouncing around the room.

the 40's bass was nice, fairly deep.. but i got the impression that really, the 100's 150's.. the 12/15" woofers are really best suited to Electronic genres with lots of Bass. but pricey as hell.

For the bedroom producer who wants the ATC clarity... the 20's hold the same clarity as the larger speakers.
The Kick drum was a bit farty played loud on some of the CD's i was auditioning.

the 20's can be used with a ATC domestic Sub..

For me, i think i am going to go with the 20's and purchase Some Audeze LCD X's to check/mix the Low end. This is a hobby for me so i cant afford proper room treatment or stretch to the SCM 45's... I maaaay go to the 25's because they are less muddy not sharing the low/mid speaker... not sure yet.

They are expensive, but they knock the socks off my Event 20/30's... different dimension... but then again they are in a completely different price braket.
Old 7th November 2016
  #134
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Well I have been using my new ATC 20s mk IIs for a short while now and I'm setup for surround with 5 of them now. Amazing speakers. Best I've owned. I'll write more later with a full breakdown...but just to note quickly.... the Barefoots are gone...sold.
What Genre's do you predominatly mix with them please?
Old 7th November 2016
  #135
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Originally Posted by DjjmDjjmdm View Post
I have just done a 4 hour round trip to listen to the ATC's in an Auckland showroom.

They only had the Domestic 20's and 40's but the ATC specialist said the technology is the same.

I am an electronic music producer (Deep house/Dub). I auditioned the ATC's with CD's from these genres.

My impressions: They nailed the Mid range and highs... the 20's sounded the same as the 40's... and i understand its the same all the way up the range.
The detail was very impressive.
The 20's (being a 2 way) had a little bit of muddying between the lows and the mids (as they share a speaker).. the 40's were more defined (being a 3way)
However, much more imperssive than most 2 ways out there i beleive...

The bass extension was limited with the 20's... the 40's were more impressive (basically aSCM 25 in a floor standing wooden cabinet).

However.. I am working in an untreated room at the moment. I need critical nearfield monitoring at lower levels, so i dont really want big bass extension bouncing around the room.

the 40's bass was nice, fairly deep.. but i got the impression that really, the 100's 150's.. the 12/15" woofers are really best suited to Electronic genres with lots of Bass. but pricey as hell.

For the bedroom producer who wants the ATC clarity... the 20's hold the same clarity as the larger speakers.
The Kick drum was a bit farty played loud on some of the CD's i was auditioning.

the 20's can be used with a ATC domestic Sub..

For me, i think i am going to go with the 20's and purchase Some Audeze LCD X's to check/mix the Low end. This is a hobby for me so i cant afford proper room treatment or stretch to the SCM 45's... I maaaay go to the 25's because they are less muddy not sharing the low/mid speaker... not sure yet.

They are expensive, but they knock the socks off my Event 20/30's... different dimension... but then again they are in a completely different price braket.
I recently demo'd the 20's and 40's together, and was surprised how similar they sounded. It was only when the 40's were cranked up and the bass came into play that made a noticable difference.
I ended up getting the 20's (the 40's weren't for sale anyway). I've only done a few mixes on them, but they have translated better than anything I've used before, so I'm super happy with them.
Old 7th November 2016
  #136
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Originally Posted by Brad Lunde View Post
To use the bypass pedal at the present time you have to send full range to the 20s, full range to the sub (the sub will filter out everything over 95Hz for you). This sounds good this way. You can also use the HP filters in the sub, which sends only 95Hz up to the 20s, but here the bypass pedal does not work to switch between full range and high passed. We hope to add this feature in upcoming models, mid 2017.
Should i wait till mid 2017 before i purchase the 20's then if i am wishing to use a Sub?
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