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Digitally controlled analogue mixing
Old 9th July 2015
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We don't often do trade-ins, but how much do you think I'd get for her on the used market?
Old 9th July 2015
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We don't often do trade-ins, but how much do you think I'd get for her on the used market?
I think it depends on which market exactly.
But I should think it would be exactly the cost of my new SSL plus a pint.

Serious question though, the dig controlled thing...
Old 9th July 2015
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Hi
Sadly the 'components' that would make 'digitally controlled analogue' SIMPLE to do don't exist and the market is not really big enough to set out and make them, thus numerous parts are necessary to 'work around' the problems which are then expensive and large.
Bettermaker appear to use 'digitally controlled pots' which have a maximum analogue voltage restriction although otherwise a pretty useful part. Multichannel 'switches' that are easily digitally controlled don't exist, certainly not ones that are good enough for 'high quality' use. Digitally controlled analogue is simply a bit of a 'cul de sac' which has been bypassed by the rest of the digital movement.
REAL switches are 'best' for high quality analogue circuitry and one element strikes me as ideal apart from size and availability, and these are the uniselectors as used on telephone exchanges before 'digital' came in.
Mad? may be, but it could be fun trying and certainly unique!
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Old 14th July 2015
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For the OP, while some mixers may not have dedicated "Direct Out" jacks (especially budget mixers), many will have "Insert Out/Send" jacks located near the early part of their signal flow which will serve the same function. For your stated needs look for an "Insert Out/Send" located post EQ, pre Fader in the signal flow for less desk coloration or post Fader if you want more desk coloration and like to ride vocals with the desk fader during traqcking. Signal can be taken out of the desk even further down the signal flow line at the submix or buss outs (or their Inserts). Typically the further down the signal flow path (a longer path) you take signal out from the desk, the more of that desk's sound color is imparted.

Some mixers will have configurable signal flow location Insert points which will be found in their manuals. With the Mackie 8 buss series analog mixers it's via solder bridges on the PCB boards. Other mixers may have multiple Insert jacks per channel or have jumpers to set. In the case of digitally controlled analog mixers their digital/computer routing functions will likely handle that.

You can add rack gear more easily via a patchbay with multiple Inserts per channel or using additional mixer channels or run signal coming from the desk to that rack gear directly and then on to your digital converters. There are many options for signal flow, hence the suggestions you get more specific. Download some mixer manuals from the net and study signal flow to see which mixers fit your particular needs best within your budget.

Good luck with your research and once you have narrowed the field down with more specific needs feel free to ask more questions. Posting a specific location and budget will allow fellow nearby Gearslutz's to PM you with suggestions they have available for you to test (try before you buy). Don't forget to check the classifieds here for bargains.
Old 15th July 2015
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A small Format CS2000/3000 Euphonix 32 Would suit you, 2 channel paths per Input, then you could use the 8 spare as send/returns etc, so no cube! Though you'll have a Motor Master Fader you'll have DCA on others. Also you could set up with a Nice floating 16 Channels of Dynamics. Add to this he Patchbay, 1 Tower, Win CPU and you're done! This would be found through Broadcast sales more likely!

Good Luck!
Old 15th July 2015
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A small Format CS2000/3000 Euphonix 32 Would suit you, 2 channel paths per Input, then you could use the 8 spare as send/returns etc, so no cube! Though you'll have a Motor Master Fader you'll have DCA on others. Also you could set up with a Nice floating 16 Channels of Dynamics. Add to this he Patchbay, 1 Tower, Win CPU and you're done! This would be found through Broadcast sales more likely!

Good Luck!


Absolutely! The Euphonix CS2000/CS3000 pretty well sets the benchmark for digitally controlled analogue consoles.
Old 23rd July 2015
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Absolutely! The Euphonix CS2000/CS3000 pretty well sets the benchmark for digitally controlled analogue consoles.
Yeah these things look badass. Thanks for all the tips guys, will come in handy :D
Old 23rd July 2015
  #38
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Yeah these things look badass. Thanks for all the tips guys, will come in handy :D
The Delta desks (Soundcraft) with the Deluxe Modules have direct outs on each channel. I have a 14 ch unit (cut down from a 24 ch version) with the Jim Williams & Ike Zimbel mods on every channels and the master buss. You can pick these up inexpensively and esp with the mods they sound really good.

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Old 25th July 2015
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