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Can anyone recommend me a clean uncolored pre yet dynamic sounding pre? 500 Series Preamps
Old 27th April 2015
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Can anyone recommend me a clean uncolored pre yet dynamic sounding pre?

I need it for vocals mainly but need versatality as well, I want them natural as possible to fit many voices. Specifically on phones is what I want the mix to sound baby ass clean and roomy on handling compression and limiting well, If anyone knows a compressor to make vocals sit up front and open that'd be cool too, I got my eye on the brute force or shadow hills. Pres Im thinking are the earthworks 500 pre or millenia 500.
Old 27th April 2015
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John hardy m1
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Hardy if you have the budget, Grace if you dont
Old 27th April 2015
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Look into Buzz Audio.
Elixir (500 series) or MA 2.2.
2.2 is fantastic, very "firm" sounding. Elixir I had a long time ago, and can't really remember the sound exactly, but it got a lot of use.
Old 27th April 2015
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If you already got a lunchbox, Sound Skulptor MP 5.99
Sound Skulptor - MP599 : DIY Microphone Preamplifier, Class A Mic Pre, Vintage Transformer Preamp, Professional Audio Kits
Goes well with the high outputs of condenser mic, clean yet puts a little compression on peaks. Bought it for the MK-U47 because other preamps (this includes showy ones) often had too much gain.
Old 27th April 2015
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Focusrite ISA 2
Old 27th April 2015
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Gml 2032
Old 27th April 2015
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Hairball Audio Lola w/990 op amps.
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another vote for the Hardy M1
Old 29th April 2015
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If you can find used (no longer made) Great River MP2H is just what you're describing.
Old 29th April 2015
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For clean from what you mentioned, I'd go Millenia. But I have a Cranesong Spider (you could go with a Flamingo) which i love...it can be clean or you can add "color"...nice versatility.
Old 29th April 2015
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If you can find used (no longer made) Great River MP2H is just what you're describing.
+1

Other options are forssell (transformerless) and dbx 786 (transformer). You may prefer one or the other.
Old 30th April 2015
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meh, what about DAV? they are apparently amazing
Old 30th April 2015
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Weiss A1
Old 30th April 2015
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Hi, Jayelem. What do you mean by "uncolored?" And what do you mean by "dynamic?"

Would you like the preamp to do some work for you? Or do you want—and could you handle—fuller resolution?

What are you doing, and what kind of sound are you wanting?
Old 30th April 2015
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John Hardy M1. Clean but just the right touch of attitude.

Stupidly sold the first one I had (cuz I'm a slut) and kicked myself every day after.

Finally got another one and will never make that mistake again.
Old 30th April 2015
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I would add Gordon to the august list, above.
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If you truly want clean I say +1 on John Hardy, Grace, Millennia, Focusrite, DAV, Daking, and others. If you want FLATTERING and clean, AMS Neve, Lachapell, Avedis, A-Designs Pacifica, etc... What do you truly wanting out of your vocals?
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Old 1st May 2015
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I recommend the Rupert Neve Designs preamps - they're groovy!
Old 1st May 2015
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I recommend the Rupert Neve Designs preamps - they're groovy!
Glad you like them. But the O/P has asked about clean uncolored yet dynamic, not groovy.
Old 1st May 2015
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I recommend the Rupert Neve Designs preamps - they're groovy!
mmmh I own the RND 511 and whilst they are great for a lot of things, I've not managed to get the right sound for classical music yet, they sound too 'big' if that makes sense, they also have quite a lot of colour even with silk off, I now only use them for percussion, drums, vocals and electric guitar, sometimes strummed acoustic for country and rock styles but not when I want an uncoloured and clean sound.
Old 2nd May 2015
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I'm certainly not saying that the RND pres are in the Grace/Millinium/Hardy camp of "uncolored" but, IMO, they are a lot less colored than vintage Neve, API, Chandler, et al and (having used my Portico II channel as my one and only vocal pre for a few years) I can attest that there's not a voice out there that won't be flattered by the pre.

I think that many people looking for "uncolored" actually want something more like this and would be disappointed by a true gain on a wire mic pre like some of the ones mentioned. So, let me just say that I think that they are worth demoing if looking for a great vocal pre that doesn't put a distinctive sonic stamp on everything that it touches.
Old 2nd May 2015
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Hi, Jayelem. What do you mean by "uncolored?" And what do you mean by "dynamic?"

Would you like the preamp to do some work for you? Or do you want—and could you handle—fuller resolution?

What are you doing, and what kind of sound are you wanting?
Lately, i'm thinking Taylor swifts vocals sound very nice on cellphones, i'd say thats pretty close to what i want my vocals to sound like on phone. I know she has used a martech pre, don't know how that would work for other genres of music and voices.
Not quite sure what you mean by have the preamp do the work, if you mean a close to mixed sound straight from the source where things just sound beautiful i'll take it
Old 2nd May 2015
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If you truly want clean I say +1 on John Hardy, Grace, Millennia, Focusrite, DAV, Daking, and others. If you want FLATTERING and clean, AMS Neve, Lachapell, Avedis, A-Designs Pacifica, etc... What do you truly wanting out of your vocals?

I want my vocals to sound wide on cellphones. Cellphone mixes matter alot to me because mostly everyone listens back on them like i'll love my mixes on speakers, with the AMS neve which sounds huge on the speakers which i use alot for vocals but there have been times where a behringer mixer and a cheap mxl mic have sounded bigger on the phone, took compression well, widening tricks and just popped.
Old 2nd May 2015
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If you can swing a soldering iron and a multimeter I recommend a Seventh Circle Audio J99 preamp kit in a One Shot Chassis.
The J99 is in the John Hardy Twin Servo realm.
It is in the clean zone but not clinical or cold.
It thickens the low end ever so subletly (not as much as a Neve) and has a kind of euphonic 3D air in the upper harmonics.
It makes things sound bigger, more detailed and three dimensional.
With the right mics it works great on most things including vocals, acoustic guitars, drum overheads, piano, upright bass... pretty much anything!
If I had to choose just one preamp then this would be it.
Old 2nd May 2015
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I like the words flattering and Clean to explain the Pacifica by a designs it's great on vocals .
Old 2nd May 2015
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I want my vocals to sound wide on cellphones. Cellphone mixes matter alot to me because mostly everyone listens back on them ..
cellphone mixes?!
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