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Old 29th March 2019
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I joined the club. Unfortunately.

Hello Dear Members,

Last week I was so excited. I got myself some new software and was working on my new track that was on it's final straight becoming finished. A project that has been under work for a long time. As real pain in the rear.

I've studied mixing, mastering, learning to use my new software and synths. This was the track I really put everything on it. I wanted to evolve. Get at the next stage. I have learned so much creating this track, except...how to protect my hearing I guess.

I have never listened loud. Not louder than what normal speech is, never above 85db. But I did some long hours. Last week I did over 30 hours in 3 days. As I said, I was excited. I've done such days before. Never a problem.

But now...When woke up last saturday. I felt something was off. I had this strange high pitched (over 10k) ringing in my ears. I got Tinnitus.

I've been resting my ears for a week now, but I has not gotten away. I am also very sensitive so certain sounds, like microwave beeps etc. and my ears start to hurt and ring even more if I listen to something, even at very low volumes.

What is still strange is, I can hear 15k sounds. I am 35 years old so that is normal. I am going to get my hearing examined next week, but I guess it's the normal one just reaching 8khz.

But I am so angry at myself. WHY did I have to do such long hours?! Why on earth?! I am really baffled why I got tinnitus now. I've been on clubs, I've been on concerts, never had my ears ringing. Never. I've done long mixing sessions before. Never an issue. Ever.

Oh, I did have sinusitis also during that time. But i've never had tinnitus before.
also i've never had ear pain like this. It's like my ear drum is sore.

Why now?

I was mixing on high frequency area few days. I was EQ:ing synths, hihats and so on. And as I am still learning, it took me some more time than I thought.

But I am still angry. Last year I got 3 tracks released officially, I finally got my spotify account, logo for myself. Things looked great. Maybe I finally could get my "career" started. It's been a dream for me ever since I started back in 2000's.

How on earth am I supposed to cope with this? I went out for a walk, I stopped. I wanted to hear the forest. I couldn't. Not anymore. All I hear is this white-noise/whining.

Doctor said, "there is really nothing we can do".

I even checked the volume levels few days ago. Speakers don't go over 80db. When using headphones I can still hear my own voice and even TV if it's on next room. I have semi-open headphones DT 880 Pro. I've been doing music with them for years.

I did got my new monitor speakers, Adam T5V, last xmas. But what i've read is that monitors are easier for ears than headphones and I only check my mixing levels with them. I don't do mixing all the time with them since they are close to me (ikea malm desk. not much room...)

I am so angry at myself. I've been trying to protect my hearing for my whole life. And done pretty good job with it. Now I am safe at my house and destroy my ears.

I am very worried I cannot do music anymore since my ears start to hurt even if i flush toilet or go into shower. Mixing is most likely out of the question.

But my ears are busted anyway. Music sounds like c..rap. Every music. They sound flat, no energy, a mess.

Anyone else here who have messed up their ears during mixing? I could really need some encouragement.

I don't wish this for even my worst enemy. This is a nightmare. Nights are the worst. I have slept 20 hours in last 4 days.
Old 30th March 2019
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Hey - firstly, you're going to be OK.

Chances are, your tinnitus has been sitting there dormant for a long time, it's just that your brain was never aware of it like it is now. If you have been safe with your hearing your whole life, I don't see why these three days of mixing at reasonable levels would result in tinnitus.

I first noticed my tinnitus while on the couch with my partner, when she asked if I could hear a high pitched noise coming from outside. I listened for it, heard something in my head instead, and it has not gone away since

For context, I played loud music all through my teens and most of my 20's and I protected my hearing properly for maybe half of that. I went to loud shows, listened to music at high volume with headphones, lived in a city center full of noise etc etc. As my engineering career developed, I started to take more care - especially around my mid 20's. I was still mixing for 8+ hours a day, but started to bring the volume right down. So when I noticed my tinnitus at 30, I was upset because I was finally looking after my hearing. Why now?

Like I say, I think it has always been there - it just took a while to notice it.

Honestly it has been a pretty difficult time since then but I am learning to live with it. My hearing tests are perfect, I can still hear into the stratosphere compared to others, I'm still working, people still hire me and think my stuff sounds great.

You're gonna be ok, you've gotta remember that. If anything, the tinnitus made me a better engineer. I'm more calculated and care more now about how something sounds than ever before.

One last thing - the sensitivity to sounds, it's called hyperacusis. You have that right now because you're obsessively listening out for a change in your tinnitus. Your brain is working overtime with sound. That will end soon.
Old 30th March 2019
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It's really easy to lose your hearing when exposing yourself to loud SPLs, and unfortunately there is nothing you can do about it once it's gone.

What I suggest to do moving forward to to readjust and adapt your life to what your differences are that you are experiencing in the present.

Of course it will be difficult, but seeking professional help from a qualified individual on mental issues you may have might be a good idea, and not silly at all.

Anyways hope everything works out well,

Cheers
Old 30th March 2019
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From someone with significant hearing loss and severe tinnitus for years...I hope you get better. Mine is from 42 years in construction plus loud music and is my unwanted constant companion. As the other good folks here have suggested, yours will probably diminish. Hang in there!
Old 30th March 2019
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Thank you for answers @ SKS @ foxwaves and @ rezident

I wrote here because my family or doctor do not understand this at all. I am the only one in my family making music.

Only reason I can think is that my audio systems have been too loud. I did long hours for few days = not enough rest for ears and body, and I was doing some high-frequency mixing, sweeping frequency bands for bad sounds and trying to make my bassline sit better into the mix. you know the drill. Because i've never heard this tinnitus this loud before and this time it is loud. So loud I cannot even sleep at night.

Few nights ago I woke up and it sounded like someone was blasting high-pitched noise straight into my ear. It lasted for 5 seconds, my brains woke up and then it got much more silent. It was a strange sensation.

What annoys me the most is when I hear any sounds, my ears start to hurt. It feels like a cat inside my ear clawing or someone poking needles at my eardrum and then this burning sensation. Feels like someone pours acid in my ear.

Sometimes my left ear feels normal. And sometimes the tinnitus is switching between ears. But I feel physical pain, and feels like my ears are blocked all the time. And if I listen TV or something, even at low volumes, the tinnitus gets much, much louder.

But I guess, all I can do now is wait. I need to let my ears rest but I will not use ear plugs, since I read that they can make my ears even more sensitive to sounds.

This is really something I could have avoided. I know I did long hours and I felt tired, but I could still hear my EQ-changes and overall everything sounded fine. Tired, but fine. So I though "i do this one more thing and then I stop and continue tomorrow"

Thank you for the support. My problem is that I already suffer from depression now and then (cyclothymia) and sleep is very important for my mental health, more than for normal person. And I am seriously stressed If I have to live with this sound for the rest of my life.

It's been exactly week now. And things have not improved much. At least my directional hearing has come back. Last sunday I went for a walk in to the forest and I honestly started crying because I could not hear the direction the birds were singing. So I guess I did some major damage to my ears. Even though the volume levels were not blasting loud. But my monitor speakers are at 1m away from my position (3 feet) just like instruction manual said they can be set. Since I have small room where I produce my music.

Oh well. The damage is done and now I need to find a way get trough this. Rest for now. As much as I can...
Old 30th March 2019
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Sorry to hear about your situation Strife. I think it is very likely that you have got/had an ear infection, especially as you mentioned pain and sinus problems. I am not a doctor but I have read that sometimes steroids can help, maybe try a specialist doctor.
I had an episode very similar to yours some years ago, just woke up with bad tinnitus and an ear that felt blocked. It took me about 3 months to get used to the initial situation and I really struggled with music at that time (i am a professional musician) but after about 6 months the tinnitus had gone away about 80% but I am still quite sensitive to loud noises even 5 years later. Even somebody clapping their hands too close can hurt sometimes. I now use proper musician moulded ear plugs for all loud situations and in general play and listen to music quieter than before. My ears will never be like they were but they are 90% back to normal now. So don’t despair, you almost certainly will be able to enjoy making music again. Take good care of your hearing and visit a specialist doctor right away.
Old 30th March 2019
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It could be sudden hearing loss, it qualifies as a medical emergency, I had it, went to ER, got steroids injected and it helped right away. Just don't wait too long, don't ignore it, go to a doctor right away! Good luck!
https://familyhearing.org/blog/sudde...s-an-emergency
Old 30th March 2019
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To the OP, are you sure it's tinnitus and not something related to stress? Any headaches, tension in the jaw and/or neck? You've been putting in long hours and stressing over this particular track, so I wouldn't rule that out.
Old 30th March 2019
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Don't worry about it, it's all manageable. I haven't thought about/heard my tinnitus in weeks, but can hear it clearly right now that I'm thinking about it. It's always there, I just don't hear it when I'm not thinking about it. That's hard to realize and embrace at first, but right now you're probably stressing over it and that's "amplifying" it. Move on with your life and you’ll manage just fine.

Here are a few things to try that have helped me:
  • Notch therapy - Listening to music that has an EQ notch at your tinnitus frequency. Helps me a lot. I figured out where my frequency is and use an app called Equalizer on my iPhone to listen to my song collection with that frequency cut out. I use headphones and not too loud.
  • Avoiding alcohol and caffeine - Everyone is different but experiment with a few weeks without these, then have them again to see if there’s a difference.
  • Medication - Of course, don’t make changes without talking to your doctor but some prescription meds I’ve taken trigger my tinnitus in a big way.
  • Relax/Massage - Muscle stress in the neck/jaw is a trigger for me. If you bite down at night or when you're concentrating, a dental night guard can help.

..ant
Old 30th March 2019
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Originally Posted by M.Retra View Post
To the OP, are you sure it's tinnitus and not something related to stress? Any headaches, tension in the jaw and/or neck? You've been putting in long hours and stressing over this particular track, so I wouldn't rule that out.
It's tinnitus allright. I have never stressed that much as I have no deadlines etc. and my ears have physical symptoms (pain, feeling blocked) and I was doing long hours. No headaches etc. I am going to hearing test next week.

Just have to wait now and see what happens...

Appreciate it though
Old 30th March 2019
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Originally Posted by Strife84 View Post
Hello Dear Members,

Last week I was so excited. I got myself some new software and was working on my new track that was on it's final straight becoming finished. A project that has been under work for a long time. As real pain in the rear.

I've studied mixing, mastering, learning to use my new software and synths. This was the track I really put everything on it. I wanted to evolve. Get at the next stage. I have learned so much creating this track, except...how to protect my hearing I guess.

I have never listened loud. Not louder than what normal speech is, never above 85db. But I did some long hours. Last week I did over 30 hours in 3 days. As I said, I was excited. I've done such days before. Never a problem.

But now...When woke up last saturday. I felt something was off. I had this strange high pitched (over 10k) ringing in my ears. I got Tinnitus.

I've been resting my ears for a week now, but I has not gotten away. I am also very sensitive so certain sounds, like microwave beeps etc. and my ears start to hurt and ring even more if I listen to something, even at very low volumes.

What is still strange is, I can hear 15k sounds. I am 35 years old so that is normal. I am going to get my hearing examined next week, but I guess it's the normal one just reaching 8khz.

But I am so angry at myself. WHY did I have to do such long hours?! Why on earth?! I am really baffled why I got tinnitus now. I've been on clubs, I've been on concerts, never had my ears ringing. Never. I've done long mixing sessions before. Never an issue. Ever.

Oh, I did have sinusitis also during that time. But i've never had tinnitus before.
also i've never had ear pain like this. It's like my ear drum is sore.

Why now?

I was mixing on high frequency area few days. I was EQ:ing synths, hihats and so on. And as I am still learning, it took me some more time than I thought.

But I am still angry. Last year I got 3 tracks released officially, I finally got my spotify account, logo for myself. Things looked great. Maybe I finally could get my "career" started. It's been a dream for me ever since I started back in 2000's.

How on earth am I supposed to cope with this? I went out for a walk, I stopped. I wanted to hear the forest. I couldn't. Not anymore. All I hear is this white-noise/whining.

Doctor said, "there is really nothing we can do".

I even checked the volume levels few days ago. Speakers don't go over 80db. When using headphones I can still hear my own voice and even TV if it's on next room. I have semi-open headphones DT 880 Pro. I've been doing music with them for years.

I did got my new monitor speakers, Adam T5V, last xmas. But what i've read is that monitors are easier for ears than headphones and I only check my mixing levels with them. I don't do mixing all the time with them since they are close to me (ikea malm desk. not much room...)

I am so angry at myself. I've been trying to protect my hearing for my whole life. And done pretty good job with it. Now I am safe at my house and destroy my ears.

I am very worried I cannot do music anymore since my ears start to hurt even if i flush toilet or go into shower. Mixing is most likely out of the question.

But my ears are busted anyway. Music sounds like c..rap. Every music. They sound flat, no energy, a mess.

Anyone else here who have messed up their ears during mixing? I could really need some encouragement.

I don't wish this for even my worst enemy. This is a nightmare. Nights are the worst. I have slept 20 hours in last 4 days.


85dB is too loud. Way too loud if you do it for long periods.

If you want to debate that then tell it to your tinnitus.

Just cause some govt study said it might be safe for some people to have certain exposure levels did not mean that your ears were going to be damaged. They printed those fake news numbers to keep the airlines happy due to the high levels of noise onboard aircraft that affect the pilots and stews.
Old 2nd April 2019
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Just wanted to share in case you are not aware of this organization. It's a ways off perhaps but they are working on a stem cell/gene therapy approach to hearing restoration. I'm sure it is only a matter of time before they or another similar org crack the code on full hearing restoration, I am hopeful at least.
Hearing Restoration Project (HRP) | International Scientific Consortium — Hearing Health Foundation
Old 2nd April 2019
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Just wanted to share in case you are not aware of this organization. It's a ways off perhaps but they are working on a stem cell/gene therapy approach to hearing restoration. I'm sure it is only a matter of time before they or another similar org crack the code on full hearing restoration, I am hopeful at least.
Hearing Restoration Project (HRP) | International Scientific Consortium — Hearing Health Foundation
Someday, I hope! Thanks for sharing!!
Old 2nd April 2019
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So you got it diagnosed or just assume its tinnitus? I have had ringing in my ears since maybe 5 - I later found out it was nadam - a blessing in disquise - wish I knew it earlier!. . And when I found out what that was. I am happy ever since.

I would make sure your situation isn't pressure coming from someplace. bless
Old 2nd April 2019
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So you got it diagnosed or just assume its tinnitus? I have had ringing in my ears since maybe 5 - I later found out it was nadam - a blessing in disquise - wish I knew it earlier!. . And when I found out what that was. I am happy ever since.

I would make sure your situation isn't pressure coming from someplace. bless
just what is nadam ???
Old 2nd April 2019
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I am very worried I cannot do music anymore since my ears start to hurt even if i flush toilet or go into shower. Mixing is most likely out of the question.

But my ears are busted anyway. Music sounds like c..rap. Every music. They sound flat, no energy, a mess.

Anyone else here who have messed up their ears during mixing? I could really need some encouragement.

I don't wish this for even my worst enemy. This is a nightmare. Nights are the worst. I have slept 20 hours in last 4 days.

sounds like more than mere tinnitus.
and done at a hotter level than 85.

see an ear specialist.

if it really is tinnitus then they have ear plugs that play white noise around the frequencies of the tinnitus to help train you to ignore it

as to mixing dont even think about it until you fix your ears
although you could do it by sight looking at the waveforms if you were experienced enough before you became another beethoven

and keep the MAX dBA below 75 at all times now
Old 2nd April 2019
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just what is nadam ???
Nadam - is what many monks try to achieve, and can spend their lifetime in pursuit of it... (kinda a step near Nirvana) It is extra sensory hearing. (ESP for the ears/hearing) You hear with your mind and/or spirit. The Music of the spheres. It usually starts as a high pitch slightly wavering sound or ringing. Can sound like water gushing - bells - tinkling or like a sewing machine or jet engine. Mine started as a high pitch (not quite ringing) right in the middle of my left ear at a young age. Now I can move it around in my brain or even outside my physical body or turn it on or off on command. Some say it is shifting your focal point of hearing. /// I always had vertigo too. But after many jobs like smokestack testing (wrong) and wrestling with it - I realized it was just me having a 'gift' of shifting my conscious focal point. Once I could control it its like remote viewing. It was dangerous and weird having that without knowing what it was. Now, for me they have all been gifts money can't buy. But at first they made my life horrid. Hope that is what it is. You have to surrender to it... listen to it - give in, then you can control it. bless
Old 2nd April 2019
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Nadam - is what many monks try to achieve, and can spend their lifetime in pursuit of it... (kinda a step near Nirvana) It is extra sensory hearing. (ESP for the ears/hearing) You hear with your mind and/or spirit. The Music of the spheres. It usually starts as a high pitch slightly wavering sound or ringing. Can sound like water gushing - bells - tinkling or like a sewing machine or jet engine. Mine started as a high pitch (not quite ringing) right in the middle of my left ear at a young age. Now I can move it around in my brain or even outside my physical body or turn it on or off on command. Some say it is shifting your focal point of hearing. /// I always had vertigo too. But after many jobs like smokestack testing (wrong) and wrestling with it - I realized it was just me having a 'gift' of shifting my conscious focal point. Once I could control it its like remote viewing. It was dangerous and weird having that without knowing what it was. Now, for me they have all been gifts money can't buy. But at first they made my life horrid. Hope that is what it is. You have to surrender to it... listen to it - give in, then you can control it. bless
thanks

never heard of that name used

but i doubt whether it was really nadam if it started when you were young. there are plenty of things that can explain your hearing that.

now if you could control it then maybe it was nadam. those monks must be jealous
Old 2nd April 2019
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thanks

never heard of that name used

but i doubt whether it was really nadam if it started when you were young. there are plenty of things that can explain your hearing that.

now if you could control it then maybe it was nadam. those monks must be jealous
You know... When they were doing those hearing tests in elementary school... they put fear into the kids, saying that any ringing was bad. The only way I could control it was to be physically and mentally active, so I slept like 2 or 3 hours a day and was busy as a bee in my waking hours for decades. Many people thought it was crazy. Subconsciously that can have a very damaging effect on a person. Its like seeing new colors that already exist. The people who argue about it - have never seen new colors. Look up the word 'enon' - it is tough to find too. If you can see or hear or smell or touch a wider spectrum than that of the masses or scientists - it can be a handicap or a blessing, (especially if you are young and impressionable) its a choice. I feel there is not enough info out there on it. Very fascinating stuff. And an incredible frontier,,, that is barely scratched.
Old 2nd April 2019
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sounds like more than mere tinnitus.
and done at a hotter level than 85.

see an ear specialist.

if it really is tinnitus then they have ear plugs that play white noise around the frequencies of the tinnitus to help train you to ignore it

as to mixing dont even think about it until you fix your ears
although you could do it by sight looking at the waveforms if you were experienced enough before you became another beethoven

and keep the MAX dBA below 75 at all times now
I did not do over 85db. There is no way. But, that week, I did several days straight and long hours. Of course with breaks. I never thought I could damage my ears doing too much music... And I did adjust some high frequency content and also my kick/drum bassline and my chair a neck rest in it which kinda bounces all the sounds straight into my ear. That is not good.

I visited ENT today, told me that I am most like going to be OK. I am on cortisone now for few weeks.

It feels like my tinnitus has gone down maybe very slightly. Not much, but maybe a notch.

Also I did a hearing test at ENT (not in optimal conditions) just to let myself know.

My hearings is at normal levels. Which is very good! But they don't test over 8khz which is kinda sad.

Anyway, I am hopeful.
Old 2nd April 2019
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I did not do over 85db. There is no way. But, that week, I did several days straight and long hours. Of course with breaks. I never thought I could damage my ears doing too much music... And I did adjust some high frequency content and also my kick/drum bassline and my chair a neck rest in it which kinda bounces all the sounds straight into my ear. That is not good.

I visited ENT today, told me that I am most like going to be OK. I am on cortisone now for few weeks.

It feels like my tinnitus has gone down maybe very slightly. Not much, but maybe a notch.

Also I did a hearing test at ENT (not in optimal conditions) just to let myself know.

My hearings is at normal levels. Which is very good! But they don't test over 8khz which is kinda sad.

Anyway, I am hopeful.

good luck with it

do remember if you have residual tinnitus that the white noise works

my wife had tinnitus and that helped a lot
not all doctors or hearing centers know about that technique

and everybody's ears are different

my ears hurt at 85dB -- not exactly pain but very uncomfortable - certainly dont want to go louder
for me that is way too loud no matter what the govt study claims
i find for my ears that 75 dB is a reasonable max
my typical listening level in my apartment is 50
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