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Transformers that fit in a Behringer Ultrafex II EX3100
Old 26th April 2010
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Transformers that fit in a Behringer Ultrafex II EX3100

Hi,

i own a behringer ultrafex ex 3100 for some years but i didn't find it very useful, even though i think it doesn't sound bad. last week a friend saw it lying around and asked me, if it works analog or digital. i didn't know so i opened it up and what do i see, beside that it looks completly analog: there is a place left for optional output transformers.

so i would really like to find out, how this thing can sound with good transformers, since i always wanted to try some transformer-based color device for the 2bus.

can you help me, what kind of colored sounding transformers would fit?
the behringer manual says, you must use behringer ot-1 transformers, but i guess theese must be ... not so good heh and i couldn't find any info about them.




i try to make better pics tomorrow.

thanks in advance
Old 26th April 2010
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Speaking of sound with transformer, the buzz and other interferences it picks up from ground loops will be quieter.

It is the urban legend as if transformers add good color to sounds: they degrade sound. The better are transformers, the less they degrade the sound. However, when your gear clips transformer clipping sounds less nasty than clipping of opamps, but what for to clip at all?
Old 27th April 2010
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I agree, technically they degrade the sound, they distort and they don't have a flat frequency response, but i'm not sure if this is a bad thing for every signal, especially itb. Tape is the same thing.
Recently i experimented with parallel distortion on the masterbus (only very small amounts). So i was degrading my sound, but it acually sounded much better on this particular track.


Does anybody have a pinout of the behringer ot-1 transformer and/or a hint for a suitable colored transformer?

Thanx!!
Old 1st May 2010
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Well, you could email Behringer and ask them for a schematic. You just might get lucky. While you're at it, ask them for the part number of the transformer that was intended to go there.

Indeed it would be quite interesting to hear the difference.
I am very surprised that they would have made provision for a transformer.
Old 1st May 2010
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I just searched their website for the availability of a service manual. They didn't have it. I had no idea Behringer were around in 1993...

But I did find a scan of the owner's manual (I think)
It mentions : optional transformer output. (for the XLR output, instead of their "servo balanced amplifier".
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Old 18th August 2010
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I really like the behringer Ultrafex i must say, a lot of stuff comes out better with, than without it. This i cant say for 98% of all the plugins out there
Old 21st August 2010
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Well, you could email Behringer and ask them for a schematic. You just might get lucky. While you're at it, ask them for the part number of the transformer that was intended to go there.

Indeed it would be quite interesting to hear the difference.
I am very surprised that they would have made provision for a transformer.
I have several pieces from Behringer from ''90's that has this output transformer option..Plus, they were all thru-hole components, not SMT and built with metal enclosure not the tinfoil/plastic stuff they have today..,I bought this stuff new in '90 and it still works..!..heh..( Auto-Com, 5 band Para EQ, EX-3100 X-citer, etc..)
Old 21st August 2010
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Early behringer quality

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I have several pieces from Behringer from ''90's that has this output transformer option..Plus, they were all thru-hole components, not SMT and built with metal enclosure not the tinfoil/plastic stuff they have today..,I bought this stuff new in '90 and it still works..!..heh..( Auto-Com, 5 band Para EQ, EX-3100 X-citer, etc..)
Yeah, the early stuff that was made in Germany with gold neutrik XLRs was well built. However, I did have to re-cap the power supply of my Composer a couple years ago.
Old 22nd August 2010
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SOT...That 5 band Parametric EQ from Berry is quite interesting..I'm sure if someone reversed engineered it and really get the design up th snuff, it'll probably be a decent EQ..!..It has the features:

5 band bypass for each separate band..
Hi cut/Low cut "variable" filters..
Option for output tranny on PCB
Thru-Hole components for sticking in sockets

Anyone wanna take a shot at mine EQ or Auto-Com..........?...heh

Get it up and sounding good and I'll give you an X-citer 3100.......
Old 22nd August 2010
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The distortion you get with a transformer depends on the circuit that is driving it and how it handles the point at which the core 'saturates'. This is a product of level and frequency. If this causes the AMPLIFIER section to go into hard clipping then it will get nasty. The 'softer 'saturation' beloved of many is often from valve output stages which are quite 'soggy' and will itself distort progressively rather than simply 'clip' which is likely from an IC driven output stage (there are some designs that behave better but many do not).
Matt S
Old 23rd August 2010
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Transformer

You might try this one.

http://www.jensen-transformers.com/datashts/123dbx.pdf

It might just "drop in" depending on hole spacing and how the PCB traces are configured. Remember to cut away the jumper wires that are inplace on the PCB that allow the signal to pass with out a transformer fitted.

Good Luck!
Old 28th January 2011
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Need pinout of the Behringer OT-1 transformer

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Does anybody have a pinout of the behringer ot-1 transformer and/or a hint for a suitable colored transformer?
I know this is an old thread, but I need the pinout of the OT-1 transformer, and cant' find it anywhere! If I could get a schematic of any Behringer equipment that has that transformer, that would also work.

I bought a used DI 4000 at a good price with the idea that I would cannibalize the OT-1 transformers to use in a DIY preamp-active crossover. Basically I want to have them to break ground loops when needed, at the output. I guess I was expecting two leads in and two leads out (like the Jensen 1:1 isolation transformers in the Iso-Max units), but these things have many leads! It would be very cool if the DI 4000 buttons for -20db achieved that by using different taps on the transformer (!), but that seems too good to be true. And yet...

Anyway, tracing the leads to make sense of the units is harder than it sounds. I'd be very grateful for a sheet on the units.
Old 1st February 2011
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Judging from the pin-out shown, this is not an off-the-shelf transformer.

With a in-focus pic of the pcb track side and a schematic, it should be possible to find a standard transformer that will perform well.

Jakob E.
Old 6th February 2011
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the transformer you are looking for is the same one that is used of their DI boxes. But they deleted it because of a certain circuit unstablilty.
Old 18th July 2012
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ive just bought an ultrafex 2 for 15 quid , lets see if it works !
Old 15th November 2015
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OT-1

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ive just bought an ultrafex 2 for 15 quid , lets see if it works !

Old thread i know,"yawn", But did it work,did you do anything useful with it? ,plus did you end up fitting the OT-1 transformers and did they make a worth while difference!!!!

Louis.
Old 18th November 2015
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Hi.
I'm thinking do the same, get a DI4000 and put the trannys to MDX1000 (DBX 160XT CLONE). So.. I will post the results...

PD: MDX100 are great...
Old 19th November 2015
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..... MDX1000 (DBX 160XT CLONE).
......
Obviously you have read to much rumours in the internet, because what you are claiming is utter nonsense. The Behringer MDX 1000 has nothing to do with a DBX160XT.

In fact the Behringer MDX 1000 is a clone of an Alesis 3630 (minus the noise gate feature and plus symmetrical in and outs), thats it.

Last edited by analogguru; 19th November 2015 at 12:07 PM..
Old 19th November 2015
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Interesting....

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This is utter nonsense what you are claiming, the Behringer MDX 1000 is not anything near to be a DBX160XT-clone.

In reality the Behringer MDX 1000 is a clone of an Alesis 3630 (minus the noise gate feature and plus symmetrical in and outs).
Interesting....
It's well known (over internet) that DBX licensed Behringer to design the MDX1000 after their 160 comps....maybe the same thing happened with Alesis, but Alesis havent output transformer option like the 160's ...

I used to have Dbx160X and MDX1000, same tone, but reacts lil different...sold the DBX a time ago.
I have to say, MDX1000, to me, a Comp slut , is a great tool, transparent, low THD, adds a tight low end(due 2d harmonic), perfect to glue on buss.

It would be interesting to see the three schematics (MDX, ALESIS, DBX) to broke the Myth.

http://tinyurl.com/p4wmpjq

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/7022621-post2.html

http://tinyurl.com/pfb6rt8

Regards..

Last edited by PereGrinoz; 19th November 2015 at 01:15 PM.. Reason: Links
Old 20th November 2015
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Interesting....
It's well known (over internet) that DBX licensed Behringer to design the MDX1000 after their 160 comps....maybe the same thing happened with Alesis, but Alesis havent output transformer option like the 160's ...

http://tinyurl.com/p4wmpjq

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/7022621-post2.html

http://tinyurl.com/pfb6rt8
And exactly these are the internet-bullsh*t-RUMOURS I was talking about which are spread around WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE by some self-important nobodies.

If you start thinking logically, then you would have to wonder, why you will not find any "licensed by dbx" written on your Behringer (or Alesis) unit. Then you would have to start wondering, why Behringer got sued by so many companies like Aphex for stealing their designs. And all of this will lead you to the conclusion that the bullsh*t-rumours ("licensed by dbx") cannot be true.

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I used to have Dbx160X and MDX1000, same tone, but reacts lil different...sold the DBX a time ago.
I have to say, MDX1000, to me, a Comp slut , is a great tool, transparent, low THD, adds a tight low end(due 2d harmonic), perfect to glue on buss.
I never said that the MDX1000 is bad... it only has nothing in common with the dbx 160XT (or similar units).

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It would be interesting to see the three schematics (MDX, ALESIS, DBX) to broke the Myth.
.....
There is no "myth" to be broken - it is a matter of trust. Normally those who claim something and spread around bullsh*t-rumours have to present the evidence for their claims - otherwise it is not true. Now go and ask your self-important-nobody-sources for the evidence of their claims.

Or you can trust a skilled technician who already compared these three units - schematicwise - and tells you, that:
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In fact the Behringer MDX 1000 is a clone of an Alesis 3630 (minus the noise gate feature and plus symmetrical in and outs), thats it.
Now it´s up to you....

Last edited by analogguru; 20th November 2015 at 07:28 PM..
Old 20th November 2015
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All is said, thanks analogguru for clarifying me . . .
Old 21st November 2015
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Well I've had my unit for twenty odd years and hadn't used it for years as was mainly ITB, but the last couple of years have been doing hybrid and recently plumbed in my EX-3100.....and i was very surprised how good it sounded!!!

Obviously the trick with these things is to be very subtle with your settings and not over do it...

Anyhow after doing a little research on it i came across a few threads like this one about adding the OT-1 transformers, to which i have know done.

I can't really tell if theres a big deference because without having an unmoded one next to it, to A/B it's hard to draw a comparison, But it now has given me proper balanced outputs and still sounds really good....so no complaints hear.

Louis
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