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Old 23rd June 2012
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SDC Mic Comparison - Drum Overheads - @EBS Melbourne

A few weeks ago a bunch of us got together here at Eastern Bloc Studio in Melbourne to compare a selection of small condenser microphones. We had hoped to also try them on acoustic guitars but ran out of time. We weren't too scientific about it, put them in pairs or mono above the drummers head and swapped rapidly, repeating takes.

All mic pres were on the MCI 500 console, no processing at all

Upon reflection, the positioning we used happened to give us a clear representation of their off axis response also. As most were cardiod and approximately 1.5 meters away from the drums, many showed that they were fairly restricted. All the wide-cardiods and omnis sounded great. All in all we got a great range of results which quite clearly show the mics response and behavioral differences.

Mics tested:
- AKG C12-B Stereo Pair (as an LDC reference)
- AKG C451 Stereo Pair
- Beyerdynamic MC930 Stereo Pair
- Gefell M582 M70 capsule Single
- Gefell M582 M93 capsule Single
- Gefell M582 M94 capsule Single
- Gefell M582 M94 capsule Stereo Pair
- JZ BT-201 Stereo Pair
- LineAudio CM3 Stereo Pair
- Mercenary KM69 Stereo Pair
- Mojave MA-100 Stereo Pair
- Neumann U64 Single
- Neumann KM54 Stereo Pair
- Neumann KM56 Stereo Pair
- Neumann KM74 Stereo Pair
- Neumann KM84 Stereo Pair
- Schoeps CMC5 MK21 capsule Stereo Pair
- Strasser CM060 Single

** ALL RESULTS CAN BE HEARD HERE **

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Old 23rd June 2012
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Lee, thx for posting files. very interesting. Good drummer ( Patient)
Old 23rd June 2012
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Great stuff Lee,

Nice tones and good to see JB's room is still sounding good!

I think all of those mics are very useable in one way or another and it really jsut coems down to tonal application.

My faves are in the following order

C12B
UM70
KM64
UM930
Surprise for me was the line audio.. which is a bargain for the sort of sound you got from that.

What pre's were these? MCI 500?

Thanks
Wiggy
Old 23rd June 2012
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Thank you very much for that mic comparison !!
So many mics, so many work.
And a 'thank you' also to the drummer.

More or less, the are all good and fine to use.

The 'Strässer from Germany' microphone surprised me.
A thin, crisp, little distorted, old sound.
But exactly that's my favorite for overhead,
in combination with the direct signals from the drumkit.

R.
Old 23rd June 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiggy Neve Slut View Post
My faves are in the following order

C12B
UM70
KM64
UM930
You mean M70 (very different to UM70 which is LD) and MC930. (just trying to avoid confusion).
Old 24th June 2012
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The Beyer MC930 certainly captured a lot of high end nicely.
So why didn't I like the JZ because they were very bright?
I think there might be a difference between bright and brittle and "thinish". The JZ's sounded brittle and thinish.
Old 24th June 2012
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I found that the jz and mojave showed the nastiest off axis response, and the KM5x also showed some. I think had we been more mindful of that on the day we could have found a more favorable placement for some of these mics (might have only been a slight rotation) - although, whose to say we wouldn't have then just introduced that problem somewhere else. So, more distance on those particular mics might have helped, but as I said we were more just putting them up and going for it

I guess, take this opportunity to listen and see at which point in the image the ugliness starts coming in, and note that for many mics it doesn't, so that's something to ponder right there
Old 24th June 2012
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JZ really didn't work for me. Nor did strasser.

KM54 are nice.

CM3 isn't bad at all considering the price.

KM74 stood out for me with nice "direct" sound.

M94 (which is M62) sounds different to the rest, more fragile/vintage.

Schoeps has interesting soft(er) sound.


Why are some of the mono mics paned slightly off center?
Old 24th June 2012
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Hmm mono mics are centered as far as i'm aware.. Are you hearing it off centre or using software that shows you visually off center?

Schoeps, KM69, KM74 were my favourites. Love the C12B too of course!
Old 24th June 2012
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Oh, I see, it's just the Gefell_MON_M582_M94 which had me confused. I wrote from memory (of yesterdays listening), now that I'm listening again, all the mono files are centered just this gefell file is panned to left and there is some stereo information as well. That's a mistake I guess.
Old 24th June 2012
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I'll be seeking the Gefell on the basis of that demo. Great stuff. Also - how good was the CMC!!? Awesome. Lovely balance....
Old 24th June 2012
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Originally Posted by Lee Cardan View Post
Love the C12B too of course!
We are not to write about the C12 Brass.
We all now,
this mic is anyway the best...


R.
Old 27th June 2012
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Great effort Lee and co.!!!

I'm personally in the camp of overheads, in most cases, representing the bulk of the kit sound. Body usually beats articulation for me. After a quick listen my opinionated picks are:

KM74 - my fave here. I wanna pair. nice depth and overall balance for me.
Mercenary M69 - I like the general heft and great pickup of the toms.
Beyer MC930 - nice snare pickup

And the dark horse... Gefell M93 - super dark for sure, but there's something pleasing about the body. would love to hear these brightened up a shade.

Last edited by dylanr; 28th June 2012 at 01:15 AM.. Reason: changed my mind after a relisten
Old 21st October 2012
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Thanks for the comparison clips! amazing work.
Old 21st October 2012
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Very nice test indeed.

The Line Audio CM3 sounds close to the Schoeps MK 21 as expected. The Mercury KM69 does sounds rather far from the Neumann KM 84, which it was intended being close to. The Beyer MC 930 is much closer.

At the end, I still prefer the C12.
Old 1st February 2013
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Great test! Thanks guys!
Went ahead and ordered a pair of the mc930's Seems like a great mic and excellent bang for buck! Cant wait to try it
Old 21st March 2013
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km 84 by a mile. beefy but balanced. the earlier models were a little too soft.
Old 17th September 2013
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what a differences!!
it seems many mics are placed differently and that caused so evident sound !!
have you noted the "presence" of the KM74 against the others !???

holy crap... it seems other mics are placed 3 meters away from the drum kit, is that difference really fair !!??

PS:
ATTENTION: if you download audio clips for these mics they are inverted...
- Gefell M582 M94 capsule Single
- Gefell M582 M94 capsule Stereo Pair
Old 30th September 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Cardan View Post
A few weeks ago a bunch of us got together here at Eastern Bloc Studio in Melbourne to compare a selection of small condenser microphones. We had hoped to also try them on acoustic guitars but ran out of time. We weren't too scientific about it, put them in pairs or mono above the drummers head and swapped rapidly, repeating takes.

All mic pres were on the MCI 500 console, no processing at all

Upon reflection, the positioning we used happened to give us a clear representation of their off axis response also. As most were cardiod and approximately 1.5 meters away from the drums, many showed that they were fairly restricted. All the wide-cardiods and omnis sounded great. All in all we got a great range of results which quite clearly show the mics response and behavioral differences.

Mics tested:
- AKG C12-B Stereo Pair (as an LDC reference)
- AKG C451 Stereo Pair
- Beyerdynamic MC930 Stereo Pair
- Gefell M582 M70 capsule Single
- Gefell M582 M93 capsule Single
- Gefell M582 M94 capsule Single
- Gefell M582 M94 capsule Stereo Pair
- JZ BT-201 Stereo Pair
- LineAudio CM3 Stereo Pair
- Mercenary KM69 Stereo Pair
- Mojave MA-100 Stereo Pair
- Neumann U64 Single
- Neumann KM54 Stereo Pair
- Neumann KM56 Stereo Pair
- Neumann KM74 Stereo Pair
- Neumann KM84 Stereo Pair
- Schoeps CMC5 MK21 capsule Stereo Pair
- Strasser CM060 Single

** ALL RESULTS CAN BE HEARD HERE **

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My favorites were the Mercenary KM69 and the Beyer MC930!
Old 4th October 2013
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Thanks, interesting test, though it's hard to be fair in listening because some of the examples are louder than the others.

For me the C12s are miles ahead of any of the other mics. Schoeps a distant second.
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