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Brauner Valvet vs Neumann M149 - Piano
Old 23rd May 2010
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Brauner Valvet vs Neumann M149 - Piano

Here attached two takes, recorded one week apart, with a Brauner Valvet pair and a Neumann M149 pair. All other factors identical: same grand piano, same room, same amateur pianist, same mic placement, small AB just beside the tail end, 1.6 m above the floor, cardio setting, Fearn VT2 and Fireface400.

Which sound do you prefer ? Try not to involve the playing differences...
I'll send the key by PM.
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2.mp3 (4.74 MB, 8485 views)

Old 23rd May 2010
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Both sounds nice but I like 2 better - bigger and more lush. I guess 2 are the Neumanns?

Oliver
Old 23rd May 2010
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2 is M149. I also have one.

But I dont like this microphone on piano, to me it sounds much too round on piano. I like a cleaner sound for piano recordings. M149 is great for voice.

The Brauner to me is better for this purpose but also not optimal - it would have been better in a better room.
Old 23rd May 2010
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Both do sound quite nice, and not all that different from each other.
I also think that 1 is the Brauner and 2 is the Neumann, but I'll buck the trend here and say that I preferred 1. I found it to be slightly clearer and more articulate.

Brian
Old 26th May 2010
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I like #1 more than #2. It feels deeper and the mids are more expressive to me. #2 sounds a bit boring to me, also a bit nasal.
Curious to know which one is which, as I am looking for a good mic pair to record piano and drum rooms.
Best,
Tommy
Old 28th May 2010
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i like #2 better and my uneducated guess is that it's the valvet
Old 31st May 2010
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Talking

I'm hoping #2 is the Valvet.......I like it best. It seems more "present" and "upfront" to me.

Rob
Old 1st June 2010
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I like the 2nd one better ....
Old 9th June 2010
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I think #1 is the Valvet. The sound is more articulated on highs, probably due to its better sensitivity spec.

#2 is probably the 149, transformerless and mid-rangie


That's my guess.
Old 9th June 2010
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like 2nd best, more detailed, I think it's the neumann
Old 27th June 2010
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I prefer #1, I also think it's more detailed on highs, more neutral
Old 27th June 2010
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Liked both, #2 a tad more.
Old 27th June 2010
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I like the 1th one.
Old 29th June 2010
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I think for my part that the second one is a little rounder. The first has extra top-end which I don't really dig, but I'm guessing it could be eq'd out.

For a totally subjective statement from me, I'd say mic 2 sounds like what I'd expect from a nice ambiant piano recording, just a tiiiny bit blurry to add with the dimmed lighting, the wine, and... ok i'll stop now heh
Old 30th June 2010
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other than the differences in overall volume, I feel that #2 feels more flat yet has a more low-mid response. However, I prefer #1 for being much more colorful and lush of a tone. I am guessing Brauner is #1.
Old 7th July 2010
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M149 vs

Quote:
Originally Posted by didier.brest View Post
Here attached two takes, recorded one week apart, with a Brauner Valvet pair and a Neumann M149 pair. All other factors identical: same grand piano, same room, same amateur pianist, same mic placement, small AB just beside the tail end, 1.6 m above the floor, cardio setting, Fearn VT2 and Fireface400.

Which sound do you prefer ? Try not to involve the playing differences...
I'll send the key by PM.
Oh.

I like both!

I almost don't wanna guess, incase I shoot myself in the foot. However, after listening to the samples I Prefer 1.

1. More classy sound, warm and detailed, Lots of Character. YEA! WOW!
2. Brighter (not in a bad way though)

Looking forward to the KEY, if you have time. Thanks for your post.

Josef Horhay
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www.acoosticzoo.com
Old 28th September 2010
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Sorry for bringing the thread up from the dead, but which is the brauner and which is the neumann m149.

I think number 2 is way much better than number 1.
Old 28th September 2010
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I think two is the Valvet... just referencing from samples I heard before (long time ago) and never had the chance to use one yet...

Just my guess..
Old 30th September 2010
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The second one sounds better. Neumann?
Old 1st October 2010
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both are good, but i prefer number two. because the first one a bit muddy, and not so open.
Old 4th October 2010
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Hello didier once again thank you for posting a great comparison of microphones. As a follower of your previous microphone comparison threads ,I can guess that because of Brauner Valvet translating the mids very well right to the face with a balanced character of warm and clear tones ,2 nd one is the Valvet.
Old 5th October 2010
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Smile

I prefer B
Old 15th October 2010
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b...
Old 18th October 2010
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didier - thanks for posting more tests. i really enjoyed the test of the three pairs of SDC omnis you did (i felt like the omni SDCs all sounded better than the 6 pairs of SDC cards you tested). i was wondering how you felt the LDC tests compared to the SDC omnis you tried.
Old 18th October 2010
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James, actually I prefer in general the LDCs for recording piano at home. I think at a short distance between the mics and the piano, as imposed by the small room, a LDC sounds better. I guess that a SDC is better beyond 1 meter or so, which is larger than what I'am used to. However the miniature microphones like DPA 4060, when used inside the piano are an interesting alternative because of the negligible impact of the room acoustics, which are generally rather bad at home when compared to a room suited to public performance.

I tested the DPA 4041, which is a true pressure (= omni) LD microphone. It's wonderful. (But very expensive...)
Old 7th November 2010
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I prefer one, I would say it's the Brauner as well. I have heard M149's before and the bottom is impressive when first heard, I think it takes away from the detail of the instrument.
Old 7th November 2010
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I like both of them. What I like most is that Fearn VT-2. I would love to have one.
Old 7th November 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Red 7 View Post
What I like most is that Fearn VT-2. I would love to have one.
Yes, it's red: it's nice!
Old 9th November 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by didier.brest View Post
Yes, it's red: it's nice!
Yeah. That's exactly why. heh
Old 19th November 2010
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Its been 6 months. Could we have an answer please?
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