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MIC PRE SHOOTOUT ON HEAVY GUITARS, 5150, Les Paul, Vintech, Great River, API...
Old 8th August 2008
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MIC PRE SHOOTOUT ON HEAVY GUITARS, 5150, Les Paul, Vintech, Great River, API...

This might interest you guys : I did a shootout yesterday by reamping the same riff with different mic pres.

Amp is my 5150, and the cab a Bogner Uberkab miced on the upper right speaker, which is a V30. Mic is a 57. I used an OD-808 to tighten and smoothen the sound a bit.
I have the original preamp tubes (three EH, one Sovtek LPS, one Groove Tubes), and JJ 6L6 in the poweramp.
The recording chain is : different mic pres, then Rosetta 800.

I had the same riffs played by two different guitars in my DAW : ESP Viper with EMG pickups, Gibson Les Paul Custom with original pickups. I only had one track of ESP, but two tracks of Les Paul (so that you can also hear it in stereo).
I kept the same amp settings when reamping the two guitars. Those may not be the best but it sounded quite good though, I began with quite standard amp settings and it instantly sounded good, just changed them a bit then.
Here are they :

5150 lead channel (out of 10)
Pre gain : 3
Bass : 6,5
Mids : 2,5
Highs : 5
Post gain : 2,5
Resonance : 8
Presence : 9

OD-808
Drive : 0
Tone : 12 o'clock
balance : 12 o'clock

I used four different mic pres, each time trying to get the more balanced sound and the approximate same level for each : Vintech X81 (rack), Purple Audio Biz (lunchbox), Great River (lunchbox), API 512c (lunchbox).

ESP VIPER
one 57 into Vintech X81, centered
one 57 into API 512c, centered
one 57 into Purple Audio Biz, centered
one 57 into Purple Audio Biz ("Dual" switch on), centered
one 57 into Great River, centered
one 57 into Great River ("impedance" switch on), centered

LES PAUL CUSTOM
one 57 into Vintech X81, centered
one 57 into API 512c, centered
one 57 into Purple Audio Biz, centered
one 57 into Purple Audio Biz ("Dual" switch on), centered
one 57 into Great River, centered
one 57 into Great River ("impedance" switch on), centered

LES PAUL CUSTOM
57 into Vintech X81, tracked once per side
57 into API 512c, tracked once per side
57 into Purple Audio Biz, tracked once per side
57 into Purple Audio Biz ("Dual" swtich on), tracked once per side
57 into Great River, tracked once per side
57 into Great River ("impedance" switch on), tracked once per side

I never had the PAD engaged on any mic pre.
On the Vintech I had the gain quite low, I felt it had a better clarity, better headroom and sounded a bit more scooped in the mids like that.
On the Purple Biz I had the input gain around 12 o'clock, output gain around 9 o'clock, sounded cleaner like that. I did not changed anything when I engaged the "Dual" mode (boost in the mids, I guess around 1k).
On the Great River I had the input gain around 11 o'clock, output was around 12 o'clock. When pushing the "Impedance" button, I just reduced a bit the output so that it does not clip the converters.

Do not hesitate to tell what you think. I think the mic is not in the perfect position but it is OK to hear how the mic pres do affect the sound.
Old 8th August 2008
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Thanks for sharing!

I like most the Gibson&API setup. Nice crunch by the LP and the fat API Sound.
One alternative is to try a SM7. It will sound less boxy, more finished.

But you´re on the right way, definetly.
Old 8th August 2008
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Great work. I've only listened to the ESP Viper samples and from those I thought Vintech sound was more pleasent to the ear. But I am not a much of a recording guy, maybe with other processing this may change.
Old 8th August 2008
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Yeah definitely prefer the Vintech over the Great River (a tiny bit boxy and darker compared to the Vintech, but nothing dramatic, can be an advantage sometimes maybe) in most cases.
Old 8th August 2008
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One thing this shootout shows is that for this type of guitar, apparently, all high end mic pres are almost exactly identical. The difference between tones, for me, is negligible if not indistinguishable.
Old 18th August 2008
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cant wait to hear the differences on my studio monitors tomorrow.
im about to buy a pre and hopefully this helps.
my studio gear includes 2 5150's, a les paul and a esp eclipse, mesa cabs... so obviously similar.
Old 19th August 2008
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Keep it up man! Great post!
Old 27th August 2008
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Thanks guys,

I think the pre you use changes the tone colour. Vintech delivers the warmest/creamy tone, teaming the harshness of the 57 a bit, very pleasant. Great River sounded in the same ballpark to me but was a bit more boxy and dark. API are a different flavour : amazing punch and clarity, that rock'n'roll sound

I spent 15 minutes to find the good place for the 57 and that's what is crucial to me. The guitar you'll plug in there and amp settings then (no need to say the guitarist).

I never liked the SM7 on guitars, sounded tubby most of the time, but I didn't mess with mic position so maybe...
Old 21st January 2009
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could we maybe get a repost of the links, they seem to be down and id like to hear these beauties

thanks
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