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Old 6th July 2016
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Yes a combination of those.
the 50's Gretsch have different [reverse] edges to the 60/70's[30% w a slight roundover] etc.
the new reissue Broadcaster drums have the old reverse edges like the 50's.sound friggin great.
I have an old 60's round badge kit and a 1982 square badge kit.both have Jasper 6 ply maple gum shells.both sound amazing.
DW's newer jazz series are a copy of the maple/gum 6 plys..sound great too.
lately I'm really into mixing up some old mahogany Radio kings with Gretsch's.
Bam the answer.
Thanks hunter
Great info.
Explains why I also liked DW kicks.
I've always been into this combo with Ludwig toms.
So how does mahogany change the tone.
Darker?
Old 6th July 2016
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So how does mahogany change the tone.
Darker?
Yes a bit darker but a fuller lower fundamental
Radio king and WFL kick drums are boss like that.
Funny I can't remember the last time I recorded with all drums from the same kit.hodge podge.
Old 6th July 2016
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So it's bearing edge and ply then?
I've tried a few C&C kicks which were 7 ply
And they had no bottom. All attack.
Don't remember exactly what heads were on them but
It was all usual suspects.
Nice looking drums.
But missing the bottom octave of joy.
Old 6th July 2016
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Yes a bit darker but a fuller lower fundamental
Radio king and WFL kick drums are boss like that.
Funny I can't remember the last time I recorded with all drums from the same kit.hodge podge.
Great info
Old 6th July 2016
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Those old Slingerland drums were pretty cool.

Started looking around and found this:
Slingerland History
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Old 6th July 2016
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So it's bearing edge and ply then?
I've tried a few C&C kicks which were 7 ply
And they had no bottom. All attack.
Don't remember exactly what heads were on them but
It was all usual suspects.
Nice looking drums.
But missing the bottom octave of joy.
Totally agree.they look cool.
Yeah the C&C's kits are really hit or miss.
Like a Tom can be good but the floor can be off.same w the bass drums.
Don't know if it consistency of build or quality control.
I had the same problem with a super expensive fancy pants Craviotto kit.
Solid steam bent maple shells.beautiful silver sparkle lacquer finish.
All attack and super long sustain no lower fundamental or warmth.
A real drag to record.
Sold that kit pretty quickly.
Old 6th July 2016
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Yeah Radio King and WFL bass drums definitely have that lower octave bloom thing.
Old 6th July 2016
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Those old Slingerland drums were pretty cool.

Started looking around and found this:
Slingerland History
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Cool.
Old 6th July 2016
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I prefer an Audix i5 to the sm57. Micing a snare totally changed for me once I swapped an sm57 for an i5.
Me too, it confirmed how good a 57 was for the snare.
Old 6th July 2016
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Totally agree.they look cool.
Yeah the C&C's kits are really hit or miss.
Like a Tom can be good but the floor can be off.same w the bass drums.
Don't know if it consistency of build or quality control.
I had the same problem with a super expensive fancy pants Craviotto kit.
Solid steam bent maple shells.beautiful silver sparkle lacquer finish.
All attack and super long sustain no lower fundamental or warmth.
A real drag to record.
Sold that kit pretty quickly.
Try any Risen stuff?
Old 6th July 2016
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So the 635's are omni?
How are 666's?
This post's from 6 weeks ago, but what the hey.

Yes the 635 is omni, and a bit on the thin and bright side.

666's are about as different from the 635 as you can get -- cardioid, warmish, roundish. Inside a kick, they give a nice whump. I love them on bright electric guitars, especially pedal steel. And they do a neat trick where you put one fairly close to a steel string acoustic, compress, and roll off the top. You wind up with something sorta Chet/Knopfler-like. I'll post clips if you're interested.

Only thing about 666's is they used to be cheap (as old dynamics go) but they're not anymore. That, and they have this weird non-xlr connector; you have to make sure you get that as well as the mic.
Old 6th July 2016
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Try any Risen stuff?
I haven't
Is it good?
Old 7th July 2016
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Steve Maxwell has written a blurb on Gretsch 3 Vs 6 ply drums.
Old 7th July 2016
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Steve Maxwell has written a blurb on Gretsch 3 Vs 6 ply drums.
Good analysis.
Those new broadcasters sound pretty darn good.
Old 7th July 2016
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Gretsch Broadkaster: Vintage Vs Modern starring Matt Chamberlain

1948 Broadkaster vs new Broadkaster.

Same sizes, heads, room, and Matt Chamberlain...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM9OveJ5V2s
Old 7th July 2016
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1948 Broadkaster vs new Broadkaster.

Same sizes, heads, room, and Matt Chamberlain...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM9OveJ5V2s
really dig that old bass drum.
Old 7th July 2016
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Again great info guys.
this page surprises me sometimes.
I have learned much from the contributions people make to it.
Awesome
Old 7th July 2016
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I haven't
Is it good?
Me neither.
Just seen em around but never been around them to hear em.
Old 7th July 2016
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How are [EV] 666's?
Followup to post 1961. First clip is from my live Monday night webcast. The 666 is on the pedal steel. Second clip, it's on the acoustic solo.
Attached Files

Alice_Austin_Under_Bright_Stars.mp3 (4.94 MB, 1717 views)

666_guitar_clip.mp3 (621.2 KB, 1753 views)

Old 7th July 2016
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Me neither.
Just seen em around but never been around them to hear em.
I can speak for the Risen stuff.


I will say the kits can be hit and miss for recording like most others. The reason for that, is that we make each kit as custom order build. So, we make what the client wants or needs. We do try and steer clients in a direction if we feel they will not love the kit right away or over time, but people order what they want. Often time people will order something just for the look of it and what they need for a specific tour, not so much the sound. I think if someone like Roundbadge ordered a kit he would order smart and get a killer sounding / looking kit.

My kit is mahogany with vintage sizes. Mahogany has a deeper fundamental and natural tone. I love the tone of Mahogany drums. Most all drums have plenty of attack IMO. You are hitting a head with a stick after all.
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Ha I totally forgot you are part of Risen.
Old 8th July 2016
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So Dan
If one were to order a kick drum with sound in mind not appearance and it was
6 ply gretsch spec, would it sound good?
Or is it still hit and miss.
Old 8th July 2016
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My kit is mahogany with vintage sizes. Mahogany has a deeper fundamental and natural tone. I love the tone of Mahogany drums. Most all drums have plenty of attack IMO. You are hitting a head with a stick after all.
Sweet.I think Mahogany is my fav for recording .
I actually have a raw set of African Mahogany shells sitting here from my drum building days..one of these days I should send them to you for a build!
Old 8th July 2016
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I don't think anyone makes a 6 ply bass drum in the same wood configuration as Gretsch. DW actually acquired Gretsch drums last year, so I'm assuming DW is going to start/has started making the shells using Gretsch's specs.

I've gotten pretty interested in old drums and have several kits come through my door over the past few months. None have dethroned my Ludwig 22/13/16 in the studio for versatility...late 60's era with the clear interiors. I had the edges leveled, which freaks collectors out but I care more about how they sound. And the tuning range is ridiculous. I think it's important to have done especially if you want things tuned low and slack.

Just based on my personal experience, not buying and sell crazy expensive stuff but just what I've owned, the late 50's/early 60's Slingerland (Chicago badge) and Ludwigs (Transiton badge and pre-serial keystone) are really well built. After Ringo happened I think the quality of the workmanship of Ludwig got hit or miss, same with a lot of Slingerland during. I think mid 60's to early 70's Rogers was really make the best constructed drums. Ludwig seemed to get their act together in the late 60's and early 70's before they went to 6 ply with no re-rings (not bad just different) and Rogers lost their mojo pretty quickly into the Fullerton era (pretty much after the old stock ran out)

I don't have much experience with Gretsch. Played around on a Broadcaster 3 ply set from the 50's that really impressed me but out of my budget. I think in general no re-rings and sharper bearing edge = more attack, volume,and sustain. Re-ring and rounded edges = more warmth. Rogers are a nice middle ground to me. The really early Tama Superstars that were 3 ply birch with rings are often overlooked. Also been really interested in the teardrop Sonor kits from the 60's and the 60's Premier kits.

Just like pro audio it's a friggin' rabbit hole.

I've been thinking about getting with a buddy and comparing all the different drums we have under mics and hear them side by side. It be a fun experiment.
Old 8th July 2016
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Yes DW's been doing a maple gum shell for a few years now.
They're called the Jazz series.copies of the jasper era 6 plys.
I know a couple players who were Gretsch guys that swear they nailed it.
Dave Grohls DW blue kit used on the Vultures stuff uses that configuration.
Old 8th July 2016
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Yes DW's been doing a maple gum shell for a few years now.
They're called the Jazz series.copies of the jasper era 6 plys.
I know a couple players who were Gretsch guys that swear they nailed it.
Dave Grohls DW blue kit used on the Vultures stuff uses that configuration.
Those drums sound great. At least with Mr. Grohl playing.
Old 8th July 2016
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Yes the 635 is omni, and a bit on the thin and bright side.

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Not that bright, nothing much happens over 13, so they round off bright acoustics beautifully. Natural 'sounds like a rekkerd' old time acoustic sound.
Old 8th July 2016
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Not that bright, nothing much happens over 13, so they round off bright acoustics beautifully. Natural 'sounds like a rekkerd' old time acoustic sound.
Okay, thin-bright, not airy-bright.

Which is better sounding, a rekkerd or a wreck-ord?
Old 9th July 2016
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Not that bright, nothing much happens over 13, so they round off bright acoustics beautifully. Natural 'sounds like a rekkerd' old time acoustic sound.
Agreed...it's not that it's bright so much as that it doesn't have the proximity effect that a 57/58 would.

It has that broadcast interview vibe to the sound. So that a reporter can hold it up generally around some people's mouths, the tone isn't going to shift much, and it won't get a bunch of handling noise. It is setup so that the vocal range will be very clear.

It has a little more air/hi fi quality to it than a 57/58 though.

I like it for vocals where I want a dynamic sound but to avoid the 58 type proximity hump, or the vocalist is sort of a "talker" vocalist (think Lou Reed, David Byrne-esque vocals). Acoustic guitar every once in a blue moon, jangle electric guitar, bongo/conga...
Old 9th July 2016
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...and I think I said this earlier in the thread, but the RE50 is the same thing as the 635 with the body designed to give less handling noise.

Though there have been some different style magnet subtypes for both over the years. Always have stayed away from the ones that say "neodymium"...but only because I know I like the originals, not because I think the neodymium are bad. Never tried them.
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